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Trumpeting a new conflict in the Middle East: India, South Asia have much to lose

If the US chooses to use Indian bases under the logistics exchange memorandum agreement (LEMOA) to attack Iran, it would have grave implications for Indian strategic interests, writes Lt Gen PC Katoch (retd) for South Asia Monitor

By Lt Gen PC Katoch (retd)
Jan 6, 2020
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Consequences of the airstrike authorized by US President Donald Trump that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, Commander of Iran’s Quds Force, in Baghdad are the subject of intense debate within and outside the US. The US Department of Defense has justified the killing saying, “General Soleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region.” The strike followed an attack and two-day occupation of the US embassy in Baghdad by pro-Iranian militia, though all Americans had been evacuated safely.

The Democrats have warned of massive consequences. Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, has spoken of possible dangerous escalation, asking the US administration to immediately brief Congress on its next steps. The legality of killing Soleimani on Iraqi soil, without Iraq’s permission, and whether it was legal under international and US law is under debate. Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi has said the attack violates a deal for keeping US troops in his country. Several Iraqi political factions are calling for expelling US troops.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei condemned the US airstrike and warned that “Harsh revenge awaits the criminals.” Meanwhile, US Defense Secretary Mark Esper has warned that Washington may conduct preemptive strikes against Iranian-backed militias.

Trump may have had multiple reasons for authorizing the airstrike. The attack on the US Embassy in Baghdad hit American pride. But this pro-Iranian militia action was prompted by US attacks on Hamas locations in Syria which the US says was in retaliation to the killing of a US contractor. To boost his chances for another presidential term, Trump could also be itching for ‘something,’ since North Korea’s Kim Jong-il has now openly threatened the US and the Afghan Taliban nixed the story of agreeing to a temporary ceasefire by promptly killing 14 Afghan soldiers.

The US strike could also be an effort to further weaken the Iranian government, as part of its continued efforts at regime change. Washington designated Iran’s Quds Force as a terrorist organization and, in retaliation, Iran termed the US military as terrorists. But killing Soleimani is quite different from killing Osama bin-Laden, holed up in Abbotabad under the tutelage of Pakistan’s ISI or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi who, for long, was a CIA surrogate. Democrat presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders says Trump's dangerous escalation brings the US closer to another disastrous war in the Middle East that could cost countless lives and trillions of dollars.

Trump perhaps also wanted to avenge the devastating Houthi attack on Aramco oil facilities of ally Saudi Arabia, since the Houthis have Iranian backing. Trump has also stated that Soleimani was responsible for terrorist plots in Delhi. This may be to snare India into the conflict but can hardly be believed, considering India-Iran relations. But the US invasion of Iraq was also based on fabricated lies of Iraq going nuclear and it was Washington that installed a Shia regime in Iraq, with zero Sunni representation, that inflamed Shia-Sunni strife in that country. The US also freed the jailed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi that led to the expansion, arming and training of ISIS in Erdogan’s Turkey.

Iran’s retaliation is inevitable – it is a proud nation and cannot take the killing of the Commander of its Quds Force lying down, notwithstanding the story being spread that Soleimani had become a threat to the Iranian government and details of his movement were passed to the US from within. Possibly it was an electronic device with Soleimani or his aide that enabled the kill, given the US or US-Israel global monitoring system with biometric data of individuals – similar to what China is collecting globally for a future US-China conflict.

In what form Iran will retaliate against the US and US interests remains speculative. Closure of the Straits of Hormuz and targeting oil tankers and facilities are some possible options. Yet, Iran may have some surprises up its sleeves. Israel is on full alert amidst political turmoil and the possibility of attacks by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations who want to see the end of America consolidating in Iraq can hardly be ruled out.

Concurrent to the killing of Soleimani, the US deployment in its bases in Rota and Moron in Spain has witnessed exponential increase – the largest military deployment since the 2003 Iraq War. The US destroyers deployed from Rota are part of the NATO missile shield used to defend itself in the event of an attack by Iran. Logically, both US and Iran would not want full blown conflict, but to what extent the conflict would escalate cannot be predicted. One thing remains certain, that Trump cannot deal with Iran the way the US has treated Syria. Open conflict with Iran will not only draw in Russia but also China.

In the event of hostilities, crude oil prices are likely to spiral upwards, with or without temporary closure of the Straits of Hormuz. This will hurt many economies, including the Indian and other South Asian economies. Moreover, conflict in Iran will hurt India’s strategic interests. But when has the US bothered about the strategic interests of its partners? Not to mention that if the US chooses to use Indian bases under the logistics exchange memorandum agreement (LEMOA) to attack Iran, it would have grave implications for Indian strategic interests.

Witness the US again coddling Pakistan by sanctioning $125 million in technical support services for F-16s and now resuming International Military Education and Training (IMET) for Pakistan. Naturally, Trump would want ISIS or Jaish al-Adl to become strong in Iran, with CIA working overtime. But Iran would also be waking up its sleeper cells to keep Trump on his toes.

(The author is an Indian Army veteran)

Trumpeting a new conflict in the Middle East: India, South Asia have much to lose
 
Maybe they could test against Iranian SAMs but not in air-to-air combat since Iran still operates a bunch of vintage fighter jets

US can test the STEALTHY characteristics of F 35 when they use it for Bombing Iranian
Military sites
 
Welcome any peace initiative by India: Iranian Envoy

PTI, New Delhi, Jan 08 2020, 12:56pm IST
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Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif (R) welcomes his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar. (AFP Photo)

Iran will welcome any peace initiative by India for de-escalating its tensions with the US after the killing of Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian envoy here said on Wednesday.

His comments come hours after Iran launched missile strikes against two US military bases in Iraq in retaliation to the killing of its top commander General Qassem Soleimani.

"India usually plays a very good role in (maintaining) peace in the world. At the same time, India belongs to this region. We welcome all initiatives from all countries, especially India as a good friend for us, to not allow escalation (of tensions)," Iranian Ambassador to India Ali Chegeni told reporters after a condolence meeting for Solemani at the country's embassy here.

"We are not for war, we are looking for peace and prosperity for everybody in this region. We welcome any Indian initiative or any project that can help peace and prosperity in this world," he said.

On the Iranian attack on US targets in Iraq, Chegeni said his country retaliated under its right to defend. Amid spiralling US-Iran tensions over the killing of Soleimani, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Sunday had a conversation with his Iranian counterpart Javad Zarif and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, voicing India's concerns over the escalation of tensions.

Welcome any peace initiative by India: Iranian Envoy
 
US can test the STEALTHY characteristics of F 35 when they use it for Bombing Iranian
Military sites

It won't be much of a fight though. Iranian air defences are quite antiquated when comparing with the USAF and USN. And their newest more advanced SAMs are too few in numbers.
 
US still doing battle damage assessment.. So, all is not well...
Whatever happen, it will most likely happen in late evening or night. US has better night fighting capabilities compared to Iran. US president to make statement in morning (US time) which matches with above statement. Let's hope war doesn't happen as india will be cross-fire.
 
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Welcome any peace initiative by India: Iranian Envoy

PTI, New Delhi, Jan 08 2020, 12:56pm IST
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Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif (R) welcomes his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar. (AFP Photo)

Iran will welcome any peace initiative by India for de-escalating its tensions with the US after the killing of Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian envoy here said on Wednesday.

His comments come hours after Iran launched missile strikes against two US military bases in Iraq in retaliation to the killing of its top commander General Qassem Soleimani.

"India usually plays a very good role in (maintaining) peace in the world. At the same time, India belongs to this region. We welcome all initiatives from all countries, especially India as a good friend for us, to not allow escalation (of tensions)," Iranian Ambassador to India Ali Chegeni told reporters after a condolence meeting for Solemani at the country's embassy here.

"We are not for war, we are looking for peace and prosperity for everybody in this region. We welcome any Indian initiative or any project that can help peace and prosperity in this world," he said.

On the Iranian attack on US targets in Iraq, Chegeni said his country retaliated under its right to defend. Amid spiralling US-Iran tensions over the killing of Soleimani, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Sunday had a conversation with his Iranian counterpart Javad Zarif and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, voicing India's concerns over the escalation of tensions.

Welcome any peace initiative by India: Iranian Envoy

We are predictably going to throw Iran under the bus.

They know it.

We know it.

The US knows it.

The Pakistanis know it.

Cheers, Doc
 
Iran also bombed israel diplomatic car with a magnetic mine in delhi few years ago.
Good point. They've spent a long time asking for a response like this and haven't respected the diplomatic immunity of others on several occasions.
Ukrainian airplane crashes near Iran's capital, killing 176

Ukrainian airplane crashes near Iran's capital, killing 176


MOHAMMAD NASIRI, NASSER KARIMI and JON GAMBRELL

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Rescue workers carry the body of a victim of an Ukrainian plane crash among debris of the plane in Shahedshahr, southwest of the capital Tehran, Iran, Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2020. A Ukrainian airplane carrying 176 people crashed on Wednesday shortly after takeoff from Tehran's main airport, killing all onboard. (AP Photo/Ebrahim Noroozi)

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SHAHEDSHAHR, Iran (AP) — A Ukrainian passenger jet carrying 176 people crashed on Wednesday, just minutes after taking off from the Iranian capital's main airport, turning farmland on the outskirts of Tehran into fields of flaming debris and killing all on board.

The crash of Ukraine International Airlines came hours after Iran launched a ballistic missile attack on Iraqi bases housing U.S. soldiers, but both Ukrainian and Iranian officials said they suspected a mechanical issue brought down the Boeing 737-800 aircraft.
 
why iran doesnot bought s400 and su series ,i gues iran wanted to buy s300 but was denied by russia . they could have gone the way of turkey ,opting for frontline russian equipment .i know they are under sanction and economy is in precarious situation ,but if they had tried to find a way around it may be situation would have been different.
but looks like both usa and iran are looking a way for exit,otherwise 22 missile attack and yet no casualty ..
but iranian bluff about their military and r&d prowess has been called out as well as vulnerabilty of patriot of usa
 
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why iran doesnot bought s400 and su series ,i gues iran wanted to buy s300 but was denied by russia . they could have gone the way of turkey ,opting for frontline russian equipment .i know they are under sanction and economy is in precarious situation ,but if they had tried to find a way around it may be situation would have been different.
but looks like both usa and iran are looking a way for exit,otherwise 22 missile attack and yet no casualty ..
but iranian bluff about their military and r&d prowess has been called out as well as vulnerabilty of patriot of usa
This is message, mostly to domestic audience, this is not revenge. I think revenge will be taken with non state actors.
 
This official rocket attack looks surprisingly like the previous unofficial one.
 
You need to advise people not to travel to the Middle East?
Unlike a lot of other govts around the world, advice on travel plans are quite rare in India. Which also means once advice is given people tend to avoid it like a plague. Remember the rumour a few months back that the Indian govt. might ban import of palm oil from Malaysia ? That was a rumour nothing more and yet our importers stopped buying from Malaysia. The import figure dropped so low that Malaysian ministers started visiting India to request our refiners to import. All this for a rumour and the Indian govt. did nothing officially. An advise is a big deal, we don't see that a lot.
 
This is message, mostly to domestic audience, this is not revenge. I think revenge will be taken with non state actors.
yes both of them trying to placate their domestic audience,but dont you see this situation as a turning point as world will be divided into have and have not again and ppl will start to search for deployable weapon with precision strike to takeout particular individual rather than masses .as top 10 /20 nation will have those deterrent weapon but i guess certainly lack the will to use .

even the statement of foreign minister of iran after the missile ,his tone and language point towards deescalation .

it will be a game of proxies now ,one thing is for sure ,with one stupid tactical mistake usa has handed over the iraq on platter to iran and has created a situation where they will see their influence in the region diminishing drastically with proportionate increase of russia and may be china
 
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Are you completely retarded? Did you read what I wrote there? The analogy was of a ruling class imposing his version of a chosen religion on his subject class. Where's the question of a reversion, you fool? His daughter Mary I tried it but died of consumption in a few years. His other daughter Elizabeth I or Elizabeth the Great (?) reversed all of Mary's degrees and persecuted Catholics with a relish aided by officials like the sinister Walsingham . Are you even aware of your own history? They wrecked havoc in Ireland.
The difference is that the Turks enforced a religion and then changed to an opposed religion themselves.


Again! I was referring to ALL Abrahamic religions, retard, not a select few. I said let all Abrahamic religions settle their disputes by the sword, which in dummy terms or Irish terms means, let all Judaic, Christian & Islamic religions settle their disputes by the sword.

My God, man. You're *censored*ing thick. Till date I didn't think so & merely referred to stereotypes. Never realized, they were true.
I don't recognise Islam an Abrahamic religion. Abraham plays no central or major role in Islam.
 
If that is the case then why don't we talk about USA's history..? I mean how people do you think Americans have killed after world war 2.. Iran is evil no doubt about it but what about usa . Is USA Saint..? The way I see it power Trumps everything, right or wrong it's doesn't matter.
They killed the right people mostly. North Koreans trying to invade the South. North Korea has killed millions of its own people. Maoist Chinese soldiers helping them. Nobody can even count how many people Mao killed. The Soviet pilots helping them. Stalin killed millions of his own too. North Vietnamese, who executed 1.5m people after overrunning the South. Iraqis who invaded Kuwait and used chemical weapons on the Kurds. Serbs committing ethnic cleansing and now Iranians killing people via non-state militia attacks.
 
You need to advise people not to travel to the Middle East?
Here, yes. Big number of poor people here, people will go there for money, no matter how much risk. That's why government issues the alert as and when required. Result is reduced number of evacuations if necessary. Still numbers run high seeing high number of trained and untrained manpower ranging from nurses, engineer, labour etc. Thank you.
 
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Here, yes. Big number of poor people here, people will go there for money, no matter how much risk. That's why government issues the alert as and when required. Result is reduced number of evacuations if necessary. Still numbers run high seeing high number of trained and untrained manpower ranging from nurses, engineer, labour etc. Thank you.
Couldn't you have some less risky for the poor people, like say, a hunger games?