Is there any news article about the emergency purchase of THAAD by India? Also, why will america agree to it.. as we are going ahead with S-400 deal...
We are buying it despite knowing that Chinese has it..
And we were very eager to buy it , despite USA pressure.
Means we have measures already taken.
I read somewhere we are only buying missiles and integrating to our network. @randomradio .
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If there is anything, probably Chinese are afraid of us knowing their Trump card.
So blocking emergency delivery.
And india maybe looking at Thaad instead of S 400 , if , only if Russian are delaying intentionally. I think.
We are buying the entire system.
There is no THAAD for India. It's just the dreams of an Internet fanboy.
THAAD is purely BMD, and cannot stop Chinese missiles, so it's utterly useless.
Let me put it in this way : Both India and China operate / operated Russian Kilo class sub. I challenge if even RUSSIANS having the access to ALL technical details try to detect that sub in the water.
Having technical details of a system is NOT enough to disable that system. Also, after purchase, each system is evaluated independently. Lastly, from Russian point of view, when their MIC is practically funded by money earned from foreign sales, it makes no sense to sell systems which can cripple their reputation. IF they lose India as a customer, it will be a massive blow.
Now "Chinese electronics" can mean anything. It can mean few capacitors manufactured in China, Solid state Power amp or TWTs manufactured in China, a LCD display manufactured in China, a single board computer manufactured in China and so on. For components like SSPA, TWTs etc, their charecterstics are well defined and easy to find if they are beyond or lower the specs. For more complex components, it is harder to verify the specs and out of spec behaviour of the device. So, a bug or trojan can hide there but then, to successfully exploit or use it, you need to be able to reach it. That means a much larger dependence on Chinese hardware or entire sub system manufactured in China.
Will Russia do that? Knowing that same subsystem will be in use in its own weapons? Will it do specifically for India? Thats stretching out things too far. Also at risk of sabotaging Indian market, I doubt that it will be done knowingly and will be avoided for unknowing risks.
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I'm afraid there are chinese components everywhere.... Because only produced there.
But I don't think the russians idots enough.
If it was so easy to copy and paste S400, why chinese purchased several ?
vigorously ? a source? (sure not).
Maybe they are aware of the flight caracteristics. Don't imagine they know the real modes, ranges, spec. of Spectra, AESA radar....
That would be too deep. I don't think even we are getting to know the exact specs of those. If French won the AESA contract for MK1A, then it would have been different.
But what i meant is that they did try out the jet in Musarraf Era when they were getting some good amounts of Coalition Support Funding. And France was still trying to get another export after the Agosta90B program.
They would mostly have had access to flying the twin seaters , some demonstrations from either the Naval or Airforce single seaters to check the flight characteristics of aircrafts, the avionics and others like maintenance etc.
They had good finances then and were planning to buy 36 F16 Block 50/52 and another 36-40 4th gen fighter. At the end they managed only 18 F16s and dreams of having a European fighter converted to 36 J10 imports from China which too later got cancelled.
THAAD can stop any Chinese BMs out there. you can see how s**t scare both Russians and chinese are that they are spending huge chunk of money on HGVs and system like Sarmat ICBM, nuclear torpedo, cruise missile in case of Russians. no country out there has build a system like that. Russia is more than 2 decade behind at minimum and yet to field a hit to kill interceptor with IIR seeker, comparable to US.
There is no BMD radar in league of AN/TYP - 2 X band AESA out there for theatre defence. S-400 is your typical russian over hyped anti aircraft system and is even inferior to Patriot SAM system.
Only SRBMs and MRBMs right now. They have just started testing against IRBMs, and that's going to take time.
The US needs to finish testing and then put it into production before they can sell it to someone else.
old, very old....
more than 20 years....
Between : september the 11th, Ben Laden, ISIS..... the environnment is totally different.
Don't forget also that France refused to sell RDY radar and Mica missiles to Pak..... We have chosen our ally.
Don't agree.
The bands of S400 radars are relatively unusual.... It's a strong point (western electronic counter systems are not made to counter that).
Add to that a wide range of missiles. all dedicated to a special threat (and not a common missiles good for all but nowhere excellen )
And the fact that SAM, as artillery, are aces in the russian arsenal.
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Those radars are affective only against non stealth fighter jets.....against likes of F 35, F 22 it's next to useless and all S 400 long range missiles are affective against big non manuvering targets like AWACS and tankers. russian electronic industry is 15 years behind rest of Europe and more than 2 decade behind US.
That was not really a time when any nation can outright bank on us leaving out another big market. So no one is blaming France.
NO !
Low band radars are the key to detect stealthy planes. And S400 can use different kinds of radars, of differents bands.
Don't underestimate russians : they are self reliable in electronic. Maybe with the help of china for some integrated circuits. They always are coming with some surprises.... SA2 in the 60's, Mig29 in the 80's, Kilo, Supersonic missiles, Nuclear long range torpedoes, high mach missiles....
Lower band radar are highly susceptible to jamming and fooling due to their poor bandwidth and resolution and they can not provide firing solution.
•Mobile S-400 relies on only two primary radars 91N6E S band "big bird" surveillance radar and 92N6E X band "gravestone" FCR. other radars are optional.
• 91N6E range > 390 km for 4m2 target.
• 28 km for F 35 and F 22 class target.
• 92N6E > 250 km for 4m2 target.
• 18 km for f 22, F 35 size target.
actual detection range would be much less though.
even if one add Nebo M complex with it's VHF, L and S band AESA radar......
Detection range is about 480 km for 1m2 target with not so great resolution .......that's roughly 50 km for F 22 and F 35 class target & it cannot provide firing solution.
S 400 is good for any non stealth fighter jet no doubt but so are others with far greater capabilities including MRSAM.
Oh! did we forgot that earth has a curvature to.
Russian are good no doubt but west including France is way ahead. The day they can build a radar comparable to RBE 2 AESA forget US radars I will concede.
despite russian massive resurgence in last 2 decade..... next few decades are critical for them as long as Putin is there. I hope Russia do succeed , it might turn out good for India.
Even stopping chinese SRBMs and MRBMs is pretty good.. Could sell it to Taiwan, if things deteriorate..
Okay, for the price of 10 THAAD batteries, which is equivalent to 5 S-400 regiments, we can get 36 more Rafales, 5 more regiments of S-400 and also pay for our entire BMD program, with Phase I alone being almost as advanced as the THAAD, and still have billions of dollars left over.
As for Taiwan, don't worry about them, they have multiple AEGIS ships around their island and the US has THAAD and Patriot batteries earmarked for the island.
THAAD hasn't been offered to India so it's futile to discuss.
BMD - Phase 1 as advanced as THAAD? And we still have no confirmation whatsoever on it's deployment. Just tidbits of information. I would've thought that we'd not be coy in announcing successful commissioning of such systems across the land.