What according to you should be Indian Military strategy, tactics or technology build up?

[jetray]

Jai shanker was only brought in to keep hold in MEA because MEA doesn't go well with the intelligence and military apparatus of India. But this strategy failed. Because S Jaishanker started to have dialogue with the Chinese and here you are with lost territories.

Most of the Indian bureaucracy dont collaborate or gel well. They work in silos , more or less bcos they are remnant of british colonial administration and quite often they are a separate power block unto themselves. Some depts in Indian administration certainly have those arrogant elite status , MEA is one of them.

Govt should reform the bureaucracy and bring in the changes. But they dont care to do it bcos it serves their interest in keeping slaves who just listen to them rather than ppl who might hurt their ego's & power. Jaishankar is the FM bcos our boys dont have any interest in running the foreign policy as it does not fetch any votes. End result is that we have a place holder which simply puts up a show of existence. If you expect too much from it, its your problem.

 

[AbRaj]

Most of the Indian bureaucracy dont collaborate or gel well. They work in silos , more or less bcos they are remnant of british colonial administration and quite often they are a separate power block unto themselves. Some depts in Indian administration certainly have those arrogant elite status , MEA is one of them.

Govt should reform the bureaucracy and bring in the changes. But they dont care to do it bcos it serves their interest in keeping slaves who just listen to them rather than ppl who might hurt their ego's & power. Jaishankar is the FM bcos our boys dont have any interest in running the foreign policy as it does not fetch any votes. End result is that we have a place holder which simply puts up a show of existence. If you expect too much from it, its your problem.

And that’s better for the country actually. Imagine our Foreign Ministry under someone like Ninda Turtle or Mota Bhai.
Atleast Jai Shanker is an Ex diplomat who are much more educated and has better understanding of things.

PS: I’m annoyed by his constant cribbing of Jaishankar and his regional background without having any correlation of that with his performance in the Government.
He’s a much better choice for EAM than N Sitaraman is for Finance Minister or Ninda Turtle for Defence Minister, as both don’t know zilch about their ministries.

 

[Saaho]

And that’s better for the country actually. Imagine our Foreign Ministry under someone like Ninda Turtle or Mota Bhai.
Atleast Jai Shanker is an Ex diplomat who are much more educated and has better understanding of things.

PS: I’m annoyed by his constant cribbing of Jaishankar and his regional background without having any correlation of that with his performance in the Government.
He’s a much better choice for EAM than N Sitaraman is for Finance Minister or Ninda Turtle for Defence Minister, as both don’t know zilch about their ministries.

The problem is : IAS in India are made to feel that they are a separate master-race altogether. They will NEVER EVER work with anyone else. When you make a bureaucrat a minister, you ensure that elitism among them will prevent them from co-operating with other parts of government. It shows.

There is an unwritten law that you do not make a military man / woman defence minister in India. Its due to fear of coup. Well, your current MEA minister has done a different kind of coup. Its essentially the same thing.

A reform of UPSC and IAS is the need of the hour. The entire UPSC elitism need to be abolished and lateral entry should be promoted. The entire concept of age-limit means people with long life experiences in real world will NEVER enter Indian bureaucracy. Indian bureaucrats are raised like this elite special OPS unit without any speciality.

When I went for IAS interview I said some of these things. Especially, age limit, lateral entry and "non promotee" path. I got very very very strong resistance. Needless to say, I was not selected even though I had very high scores in written part. I went into private sector and never looked back.

 

[screambowl]

by the way he is not from south
For god sake at least get your facts right before doing your circus.

and I am not North tell him to get the facts right as well.

 

[screambowl]

Most of the Indian bureaucracy dont collaborate or gel well. They work in silos , more or less bcos they are remnant of british colonial administration and quite often they are a separate power block unto themselves. Some depts in Indian administration certainly have those arrogant elite status , MEA is one of them.

Govt should reform the bureaucracy and bring in the changes. But they dont care to do it bcos it serves their interest in keeping slaves who just listen to them rather than ppl who might hurt their ego's & power. Jaishankar is the FM bcos our boys dont have any interest in running the foreign policy as it does not fetch any votes. End result is that we have a place holder which simply puts up a show of existence. If you expect too much from it, its your problem.

Most of here do not understand the direct link of failed diplomacy and IFS, plus the loss to exchequer of India, the money which can be used for defence and intelligence. A typical IFS officers saves more money than an IAS officer. You can simply check the bank accounts how much money they bring back home after foreign postings. IFS is paid in foreign allowance for expenditure but if there is a saving happening this means they do not really need that extra foreign allowance. Then why is exchequer made to pay to these lavish babus so handsomely , rather than diverting this money to the soldiers or the other essential services.

India's diplomacy is not really doing great. Modi has to go personally to deal with the things. Be it Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, SL, China. Where as IAS is performing better than these lavish babus at least. If an IAS does something wrong, it can be ractified at home, but once the foreign relations go bad, then it's a heavy toll on India's diplomacy, people need to understand the difference.

 

[screambowl]

Atleast Jai Shanker is an Ex diplomat who are much more educated and has better understanding of things

Sushma Sawaraj went and sorted Doklam issue in three days she was not a diplomat, this idiot is not been able to talk like a leader to the Chinese. Because he is not a leader. Chinese will never take his words seriously. Chinese know he has served the congress too so there is not particular steadfest ideology he has. Chinese have already analyzed him long back when he was India's ambassador to Beijing. These things matter in diplomacy.

There are diplomats in CCP, who originally come from CCP background on Chinese side, later given rank of ministers. They talk with their idealism of Marx , Mao. This Jaishanker stands no where in front of them.

 

[Saaho]

Sushma Sawaraj went and sorted Doklam issue in three days she was not a diplomat, this idiot is not been able to talk like a leader to the Chinese. Because he is not a leader. Chinese will never take his words seriously. Chinese know he has served the congress too so there is not particular steadfest ideology he has. Chinese have already analyzed him long back when he was India's ambassador to Beijing. These things matter in diplomacy.

There are diplomats in CCP, who originally come from CCP background on Chinese side, later given rank of ministers. They talk with their idealism of Marx , Mao. This Jaishanker stands no where in front of them.

Sushma-ji was more innovative than all of the MEA. Under her, taking request on twitter was the trend that was started. It publically held officials responsible for solving issues. Then we have Jaishankar who acts, thinks and works purely like a bureaucrat.

Its like saying that only engineers can be successful CEOs of major tech companies. Well... not true. You need to think and act like a leader.

 

[screambowl]

Sushma-ji was more innovative than all of the MEA. Under her, taking request on twitter was the trend that was started. It publically held officials responsible for solving issues. Then we have Jaishankar who acts, thinks and works purely like a bureaucrat.

Its like saying that only engineers can be successful CEOs of major tech companies. Well... not true. You need to think and act like a leader.

Modern warfare will be fought inside home and also at border, and the final cut will be military's. All these 90% kaamchor babus and political nexus is sufficient for the adversary to play it's game within India and weaken the military tactics and diplomacy. And this is happening. Civilians needs to me made aware of this.

 

[jetray]

Its like saying that only engineers can be successful CEOs of major tech companies.

Isnt that quite obvious , ppl who are leading the companies should know their domain very well?? You can put a non-engineer as head of a company but they will be just good bean counters.

 

[Saaho]

Isnt that quite obvious , ppl who are leading the companies should know their domain very well?? You can put a non-engineer as head of a company but they will be just good bean counters.

Not exactly. People leading their companies need to know the limitation and capabilities of their operations and domains. They may or may not need to know every detail. Its like this, every engineer needs to know enough about physics to know what can and can not be achived by technology currently or in future but all engineers need not be a physics expert as well. Similarly, a business leaders must know enough about engineering and technology to know what can and can not be done by it.

Ultimately, a company is a business ie it offers good and services at an overall price (over a long enough duration) that is more than its cost to survive. So someone at the top of the company needs to be very very apt at doing business with an appreciation of what happens in their company ie operations (engineering being major of it).

Its same with ministries. Good ministers should have a very good understanding of what benefits their people and country with a grasp of what can and cannot their ministry and bureaucrats do. They do not need to be bureaucrats themselves. They should be policy makers and people's representative first.

 

[jetray]

Not exactly. People leading their companies need to know the limitation and capabilities of their operations and domains.

That applies only for some domains where all the growth is about cost cutting & acquiring new customers through price control. Like oil or food industry where the management only needs to know the cost, they wouldnt even know what the constitutes the product unless there is a supply chain issue.

They may or may not need to know every detail. Its like this, every engineer needs to know enough about physics to know what can and can not be achived by technology currently or in future but all engineers need not be a physics expert as well.

Then such CEO/management cannot make out the difference between BS & genuine stuff. They will either lose out on break out technologies by other companies or make risky investment in useless technology.

Similarly, a business leaders must know enough about engineering and technology to know what can and can not be done by it.

That view is outdated, take all the progressive tech companies they are headed by engineers who know where the technology is headed. CEO who can only skim the surface will just go by the numbers not the potential and end up risking the future of the company. By the time they catch up they lose the race. In some domains it pays to be pioneer and in some other domains where market is untested it is not.

 

[screambowl]

Unnecessary travel shall not be allowed to any high ranking officer directly linked with security. The need is to fix them in Delhi and not move unless until very very urgent. Indira Gandhi never allowed any one to move out of Delhi during high times.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Unnecessary travel shall not be allowed to any high ranking officer directly linked with security. The need is to fix them in Delhi and not move unless until very very urgent. Indira Gandhi never allowed any one to move out of Delhi during high times.

Have you skipped your routine check up or your medicines ? Or both ?

 

[screambowl]

Have you skipped your routine check up or your medicines ? Or both ?

It's for the safety. Of course visits are important for many things but still if precaution can be taken the it should be taken.

 

[screambowl]

A lady PM or defence minister is what India needs to handle adversary. Last time when India had a lady PM Pakistan was cut into two, since then all men PM couldn't do a sh*t to Pakistan.

 

[screambowl]

Intelligence agencies need overhaul those who are talented and have proven themselves should be permanently absorbed irrespective of age or educational background(in case of some work experience).

Agencies don't need educated kaamchors and idiots and civil service rank holders and weak minded people bad in executing task and who are just show offers. Keep these idiots as diversion.

There is no option but to double the budget or else you can't tackle 2.5 front.

 

[South block]

Man PM didn't have to face a nuclear armed state

 

[screambowl]

India should worry about sanctions now by US and UK due to Khalistan issue and not speaking against Russia on Ukraine. So get your deals signed with France and other defense partners ASAP before it's too late. India is not going to get anything from US most probably.