Afghanistan till 18th century included the Khorasan and present day Khyber Pakhtunkhwa of Pakistan.
Agreed. But it's a question of maneuvering to secure our interests while still being identified with a particular camp . Moreover , our tilt towards the US is graduated by Chinese actions . China vetoing India's entry into the NSG = India inviting the Japanese for Operation Malabar , etc . Our degree of tilt will be determined by Chinese actions against our interests and they know it .
China will never agree to it . The CPEC has a strategic dimension not least of which is avoiding the choke points of SE Asia when China begins its moves to invade Taiwan . That forms a major component of the CPEC .
Be that as it may , neither did the Tibetans not through them did the Chinese ever exercise any claims of sovereignity over Aksai Chin in the period You cite before 1949. It may not have belonged to British India but it certainly didn't belong to the Tibetans or Qing China .
They have never accepted conversion of the McMahon line into the IB with India but they have done so with Burma . The deals in the period you're citing is supposed to have been a quid pro quo wherein they'd give up their claims over Arunachal Pradesh ( tenuous to begin with as Tibet didn't exercise sovereignity over full Arunachal but select parts of it notably the Tawang tract )Our claims on both Aksai Chin and AP follows RoI being one of the successor states of British India.
We certainly have no desire to incorporate Balochistan into the Union of India . Frankly , we're least bothered about its existence and resistance except to balance out Pakistani activities in J& K. That's one of reasons why India isn't too enthused by Balochi resistance . They have a lot stacked up against it becoming independent. Its not just Pakistan or Iran but significant sections of Pakhtuns domiciled within Balochistan too who'd certainly offer resistance to the notion of an independent Balochistan were it to become a reality to protect their interests .
That in turn would prompt sections from Pakhtun dominated sections of Afghanistan to cast their lot with their brethren agitating in Balochistan if not involve the Afghan state .
It did . But aren't borders nebulous and fluid in our part of the world for most of the time .
I wonder if India has managed to convince the US of the urgency with with we need to enact the seizure of PoK and kill any further China Pak co operation before it assumes a serious threatening dimension . With regards to NK , once Pakistan is neutralised , all the US and it's allies need to do is keep a tight leash on Iran and tacitly encourage Japan & SK to go nuclear . That'd be just payback for China propping up NK and Pakistan.
There are so many variables in this scenario that even change in one factor will complicate the scenario. I feel you are overestimating USA will power to contain china. If they were serious they would have punished pakistan long back for their treachery in Afghanistan.
Pakistan can plug USA supply routes anytime and this entire game plan will be ruined. Main reason I mentioned about Iran onboard on this one is to keep supply lines open for usa and India, unless you are advocating direct attack on shores of baluchistan and then creating a corridor connecting to afghanistan for supplies.
Perhaps one reason why the US has been acting belligerent against Pakistan off late is the opening up of the Chahbahar port . Read that alongside the signing of the LEMOA and connect the dots .
I will give a reply to all of the above without quoting them to keep it short. The whole problem started with Anglo-Afghan wars and subsequent rise of Russian empire. A lot of territories were redistributed which were actually India starting from Myanmar to SriLanka.
China is vetoing India only due to Pakistan and its own interests. China does not have direct access to Pacific but it gets a spring board thru NK. Also it is keeping economies which are collectively over three times its own economy in terms of USD, occupied by supporting NK and Pak. US, Japan & SK are stuck due to NK and India is stuck due to Pak. The freedom for all these economies lies in dismembering either Pakistan or destroy NK. NK is a solid block with no fault lines but Pakistan has such lines which can be exploited easily. Plus India has direct land borders with China which no other nation offers to US and its allies. So it is imperative that India is with US & Allies with no problems on its western borders. The way to contain NK goes thru India's western border and the day Pak is dismembered, China on its on will bend backwards to solve border problem with India to safeguard its own unity.
Your Idea that China will never agree to it is wrong and misplaced. No one has cheated any of its allies as much as China has in History. Chinese have never been known to fight others battles. read Sun Tzu's books.
Please read about 1913 draft of British India and China. Chinese accepted Macmohan line as the border between the two nations.
We will be absolutely foolish If we do not incorporate balochistan into India as one of our states. they have a population of just about 90 lakhs but they are extremely rich in resources, infact better than our NE states. Over 30% of Baloch population is of Maratha soldiers who were taken in as slaves in third battle of Panipat and they can be reconverted to Hinduism easily.
Chinese will not support NK in a war with US & Allies once Pak is taken out. I can say it with 100% surety. Its the US and Israeli tech which will come in Handy along with our own satellites to track Pak nukes and destroy them even before they are loaded on any missile.
China is vetoing India only due to Pakistan and its own interests. China does not have direct access to Pacific but it gets a spring board thru NK. Also it is keeping economies which are collectively over three times its own economy in terms of USD, occupied by supporting NK and Pak. US, Japan & SK are stuck due to NK and India is stuck due to Pak. The freedom for all these economies lies in dismembering either Pakistan or destroy NK. NK is a solid block with no fault lines but Pakistan has such lines which can be exploited easily. Plus India has direct land borders with China which no other nation offers to US and its allies. So it is imperative that India is with US & Allies with no problems on its western borders. The way to contain NK goes thru India's western border and the day Pak is dismembered, China on its on will bend backwards to solve border problem with India to safeguard its own unity.
Your Idea that China will never agree to it is wrong and misplaced. No one has cheated any of its allies as much as China has in History. Chinese have never been known to fight others battles. read Sun Tzu's books.
Please read about 1913 draft of British India and China. Chinese accepted Macmohan line as the border between the two nations.
We will be absolutely foolish If we do not incorporate balochistan into India as one of our states. they have a population of just about 90 lakhs but they are extremely rich in resources, infact better than our NE states. Over 30% of Baloch population is of Maratha soldiers who were taken in as slaves in third battle of Panipat and they can be reconverted to Hinduism easily.
Chinese will not support NK in a war with US & Allies once Pak is taken out. I can say it with 100% surety. Its the US and Israeli tech which will come in Handy along with our own satellites to track Pak nukes and destroy them even before they are loaded on any missile.
Agreed.
They would if "they're made an offer they can't refuse ." Not otherwise.
Qing China never ratified the agreement . We both know what that means .
Wishful & dangerous thinking .If at all we get involved our responsibility should be to ensure that Balochistan is secure internally and externally and under no circumstances will it hinder our objectives in the region. Nothing more than that .
I wish I can say I agree . The Indian leadership has only displayed pusillanimity in previous instances which favoured aggression on our part to recover our lost territory . Hope they show spine this time .
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I had written all these points on another forum in 2016 itself which we all have left and these points were raised with our present NSA also. The echos of these words find mention in the most potent corridors of power and yours truly is eagerly awaited with his new narratives in those corridors.
Breaking news is that China is pulling out of CPEC till India joins it. Now tell me who is right about China? me or You.
I'd answer that when we have official confirmation of it .
Its being broken on Republic TV. Indian Armed forces must now go on full battle alert as Pakistan might do a harakiri.
Woah! when did this happen? If this is true, this is HUGE!!. any links that are reporting this?
He has an extremely leftist view in demonizing the US. Even that nonsense about Zionist bankers and the US MIC. The US economy has been growing due to its tremendous advantage in civilian technologies and entertainment.
But when it comes to everything else, he is correct. We are overreaching ourselves in ways we can't afford. We need to achieve significant amounts of resource independence and weapons self-reliance before we go around challenging another great power, let alone China, which is headed towards achieving military superpower status.
We need to improve our comprehensive national power slowly over time while we wait for the US to be put in a more disadvantageous position vis a vis China before we start negotiating with them. That's the only way they will break. The fewer options they have, the better for us, that's obvious, and that time is coming, we just have to bide our time. And it looks like we are doing this anyway. Moreover, we may not have to deal with the US by the time this happens. I really hope all this talk by the Indian leadership of partnership with the US is mere lip service.
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@Paro is quite right. Go to WindTunnel Road in Bangalore and check for yourself. What equipment we had earlier was not industrial grade. Even today the IITK professor responsible for laser-related research is running with incremental additions to existing equipment and otherwise making do.
The US won't give us anything worthwhile in the first place. So we don't have to fear becoming a dependent.
By the time we end up signing COMCASA, BECA etc, and become proper alliance partners, we will be making our own stuff. There will be some cooperation, but it won't be significant.
All the territory that was ever ours to take is with us.
Would it help if we helped you find a tree? You can bark up that, for instance. There may be other modes of engagement, but I wouldn't know; not being used to marking my territory, can't help.
See, there is nothing called 6th generation plane as of now. Let me amke you understand generations here:
4th geenration planes are planes with FBW systems and some amount of automation. This came in 1980s. But as computer revolution happened in 1990s, there was development of better capabilities like AESA, inter-communication, EW, SPJ, sensor fusion etc and there came our 4.5 generation. With addition of stealth, it became 5th generation.
Since Indian IT revolution happened only after 2000, the Tejas which was conceived before that became obsolete even before it started. India didn't have any intention of making a cutting edge technology but merely wanted to replicate the 4th generation ones of other countries. So, some modifications had to take place. However, the biggest reason for delays was due to UPA government purposefully scuttling defence deals. This was true not only for Tejas but Also for other items like IAC-1, Scorpene, Nuclear submarines, Kaveri engine and many other defence modernisation, almost all of them conceived in Vajpayee time.
But, despite the delays, since the research had been sanctioned, DRDO had funds and they used it for developing as much as they could despite hostile government. The Tejas plane had limited sorties between 2009-2014 which also reduced the feedback and caused further delays. They also delayed Kaveri by not building a high altitude test bed which was crucial. The main grievance was in high altitude tests. The only way Kaveri could be fine tuned was by repeated testing. Flying it once to Russia is of little use at all.
Instead of understanding the real problem, you are pointing at arbitrary directions. India has no dearth of intelligent people. If DRDO is having too much of a red tape, then government can fund a private company via LIC and then hire scientists of higher quality to do joint development. There are several ways to bypass the bureaucracy problems if there is government will. But, congress was the thorn and has always been. Indian poos military research is due to congress scuttling them. India could have developed nuclear bombs in 1960s like China did. Nuclear submarines also could have been made in 1970s-80s and so on. Congress scuttled all of them under directions from their political masters abroad.