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Bhaiya what khayali pulao you are creating. You cannot take out their aircrafts "one fine day". The PAF is actually the most competent out of all their service branches. Their Navy is useless and Army gets pummeled regularly. The only thing saving face is their airforce. And the PAF is quite smart in choosing their battles. They never entered our airspace during Kargil. Their tactics is in staying in their airspace and bait IAF aircrafts. You need to sanction a mass invasion to take out their entire fleet and that will fail because the more we go in the PAF will move its aircrafts more towards the airbases in Balochistan or even Iran.
It's just a bad idea. Economically, Politically and strategically. We don't achieve shit like that.
Gafoora is back!!
Gafoora is back!!
Why pay the cost of 100 lives when we can do the same job in 100 crores ?
Military effort should be the last option. I am not saying that back down from war, I am all for totally obliterating the enemy in case war happens without thinking of being humane. But untill that happens, it's idiotic to lose lives if we can defeat the enemy in less investment than India gives away in aid.
I have already posted about the political and economic steps we can take. We can also take advantage of their ethenic faults. They already have faults. Invest 100 crores in this , set up social media management teams in Dubai and start paying extremist Maulvis in Pakistan for a salary of lakhs of rupees routed through Cayman or Cyprus every month.
Their job ? Just give hate speech every Friday against the other sects!
Within few months , the society of Pakistan will crumble.
We are idiots in not using their fault lines.
Military effort should be the last option. I am not saying that back down from war, I am all for totally obliterating the enemy in case war happens without thinking of being humane. But untill that happens, it's idiotic to lose lives if we can defeat the enemy in less investment than India gives away in aid.
I have already posted about the political and economic steps we can take. We can also take advantage of their ethenic faults. They already have faults. Invest 100 crores in this , set up social media management teams in Dubai and start paying extremist Maulvis in Pakistan for a salary of lakhs of rupees routed through Cayman or Cyprus every month.
Their job ? Just give hate speech every Friday against the other sects!
Within few months , the society of Pakistan will crumble.
We are idiots in not using their fault lines.
During Balakot strike only coincidence that turn as luck to Pakistan was that the video feed of Spice wasnt work as per planned.
Honestly if they were able to invite international medias within one week , even Indians like me would had a doubt the reliability of that IAF strike.
Pakistan propoganda was good.
But more than that the negligence from Indian side caused that confusion.
They said 1000 kg bombsc.But didnt said how that Spice works.
Even all of the international medias initially trusted Pak account .
Later after one month those medias got the entire picture what was just happened.
Their visit was strictly restricted ,couldnt talk to villagers.
That is why how we confirmed the attack was good indeed.
Later airwarfare was more easy ,Pakistani Propoganda didnt worked like before because there wss video also.
But an open strike with Shaurya or Brahmos cant be cover upthat easily .
Because that isnt Spice . Even a satelitte picture can see that easily.
An attack that last only one hr .
Targeting various assets and installation of PN and PAF .
Then suddenly escalates to nuke and loop all international players .
Pak will stay there.It cant cover up but will remain as a punitive strike .
Last one of course we can follow, if thereis a threat of terrorism .Strike using stand off range weapon with less collateral damage .
If I am not wrong .there the Ghatak UCAV a black project under the PMO is for something like that .We can do precision strike without much problem.
They wont even know what was just happened.
But open punitive strike is the only option if there is a need for counter strike .
Point is not to defeat but demoralise them
If you ask me, taking severe material loss and later claim that everything is fine is good for us.
We dont care what they believe , we cant change that .
But whole world knows what is just happened.
One thing we can do is regularly bomb the terrorists in PoK .Make them frustrate .
Stealth UCAV that under the development is specifically for this.
Sudden full strike , we cant do that .
It will also affect India.
Why should we care about that ?
First , let just stop this obsession with Pakistan.
Avoid them , if there is an attack or attempt follow SOP
Again and again we are ending up in this circle-jerk. The thing is if we actually take their territory and they don't do anything it's good for us. But if we are only killing their soldiers and they are hiding their casualties since this is what is happening right now. Nothing changes. We will continue to lose men and they will continue to send jihadis.
The Pakistani state doesn't care for Pakistani lives as much as we do in India. For them there is one less *censored* to take care of.
The stealth UCAV isn't coming anytime in the next two to three years. It will take a decade to become operational. By then Chinese tech would have become on par with the Americans and the Pakistanis won't be anymore insecure like they are right now.
Sudden full strike where? How? When? For what reason?
And if we waste our time on the LoC do you think the Chinese will sit and watch and eat bat soup?? A massive campaign is useless and not conceivable anytime in the next five years.
The only thing that can be done is use of Aircrafts to strike Terror launchpads inside Pakistani territory on a regular basis that's it. Fund the Balochis and the TTP and the mohajirs.
If you want actual concrete gains we need to salami slice PoK slowly like what the Chinese are attempting.
Also if we strike with Brahmos what is the guarantee the Pakistanis won't retaliate with their Hatf series of Chinese knockoff's??
huh.. who said taking out their entire fleet in one go. pakistan has around 100 odd f16 fighters taking out even 5-8 fighters in 2 or 3 strikes will severely dent their morale. I am also saying we need to bait them, we need to keep pushing their buttons and force them to make mistakes. Either they pick up the gauntlet or lose control over their skies which would mean free run for us. Most probably once they lose few aircrafts they will just pull back and hide them, in which case we can easily target their terror infra at will.
First step should be to declare Pak Army and ISI as terrorist organisations and granting power to our armed forces to treat them as such. Fear of a Sulemani type strike will force PA generals to course correction. Ofcourse one or two examples will serve as an incentive.
This is very rudimentary definition of war in an era where we have so many types of war. It all depend on objective of a war whether ground troops or any of the type need to cross the line or not.
For me, India need to find the that rung of escalation ladder beyond which India size and economy become a winning factor. It can be achieved without crossing the border. We must not restrict ourselves to capabilities Pakistan can match with all its limitations. Dont play within their ruleset.
I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....
There wont be an escallation without a proper reason now, either they have to hit hard us first through a terrorist attack or adventures things like feb 27.I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....
Post 2022, there may be. Reason for that is we will have full three squadrons of rafale & s400 with us and bjp will need much solid reasons than balakot to face 2024 election.
We are only going to attack them in self-defence for now. What you have suggested is in antithesis to our gameplan.
We have an advantage at pretty much any rung now.
I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....
Not very hard. I think we will hit PA rather than terrorists. Expect some strike deep in PoK with significant PA casualties, significant in sense that ISPR is unable to cover up.
Indian armed forces doesn't need s400 and 3 sqds of rafale to kick Paxtan. It's highly unlikely that Paxtan would escalate to that level until we go for its dismemberment.
War needs money and Paxtan is bankrupt with no Arabs and America standing behind them.
Current escalation seems like trap that India will escalate with PA giving an opportunity to PLA to advance by starting a conflict.
We will not attack them without a reason till we get s400 & Rafale. Retaliation for another terrorist attack, we may do it.
oh yeah thats a gamble. what happens if s400 does not meet expectations. Even those patriot systems in saudi and south korea have misfired. I dont think it would be wise to have our war planning centered around the capabilities of these systems.