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jetray said:
What we need to do is constantly keep harassing to put them on high alert but not do any major damage. Then one fine day unleash a deadly strike that can take down most of their strike aircraft.
Problem with one off strikes is that luck or probability becomes a factor. More the number of missions we will decrease that factor to a large extent. Sooner or later we will even up the odds. Only issue is that we should not back off if one or two missions dont go well. Just like israel does we need to be consistently probing them.
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Bhaiya what khayali pulao you are creating. You cannot take out their aircrafts "one fine day". The PAF is actually the most competent out of all their service branches. Their Navy is useless and Army gets pummeled regularly. The only thing saving face is their airforce. And the PAF is quite smart in choosing their battles. They never entered our airspace during Kargil. Their tactics is in staying in their airspace and bait IAF aircrafts. You need to sanction a mass invasion to take out their entire fleet and that will fail because the more we go in the PAF will move its aircrafts more towards the airbases in Balochistan or even Iran.
It's just a bad idea. Economically, Politically and strategically. We don't achieve shit like that.
 
Why pay the cost of 100 lives when we can do the same job in 100 crores ?

Military effort should be the last option. I am not saying that back down from war, I am all for totally obliterating the enemy in case war happens without thinking of being humane. But untill that happens, it's idiotic to lose lives if we can defeat the enemy in less investment than India gives away in aid.

I have already posted about the political and economic steps we can take. We can also take advantage of their ethenic faults. They already have faults. Invest 100 crores in this , set up social media management teams in Dubai and start paying extremist Maulvis in Pakistan for a salary of lakhs of rupees routed through Cayman or Cyprus every month.

Their job ? Just give hate speech every Friday against the other sects!

Within few months , the society of Pakistan will crumble.

We are idiots in not using their fault lines.
 
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Lolwa said:
They won't work. Until you do it openly and blatantly. There's no point of doing a strikes on pak assets without having any concrete objectives. It will go like the Sri Lankan civil war and operation Parakram. We will lose men nothing else. They will replace both their men and equipment with the help from the Chinese. And the dgispr propaganda machine will handle their awam. While Ndtv and the chamcha media will handle the rest of the aam janata here. They easily hide daily damage in Neelam valley. What makes you think they won't be able to hide their equipment loss after a random attack by the IA,IAF.
There are only two options:
Start salami slicing PoK and GB. They can't hide salami slicing for too long. There will be a skirmish against them then we can make a case of taking more of their land. The condition being the we should be ready to fight PA and their jihadis once they are desperate. Their should not be any illusions of giving them a chance to hit us and bs RoE's we gave them on 27th Feb.

The other being we should give IAF more freedom to do strikes inside PoK and it should become regular similar to how IA hits posts. Bombing madrassas and push the PAF into a fight. This doesn't change anything though on the ground apart from blunting their offensives..
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During Balakot strike only coincidence that turn as luck to Pakistan was that the video feed of Spice wasnt work as per planned.
Honestly if they were able to invite international medias within one week , even Indians like me would had a doubt the reliability of that IAF strike.
Pakistan propoganda was good.
But more than that the negligence from Indian side caused that confusion.
They said 1000 kg bombsc.But didnt said how that Spice works.

Even all of the international medias initially trusted Pak account .
Later after one month those medias got the entire picture what was just happened.
Their visit was strictly restricted ,couldnt talk to villagers.

That is why how we confirmed the attack was good indeed.
Later airwarfare was more easy ,Pakistani Propoganda didnt worked like before because there wss video also.


But an open strike with Shaurya or Brahmos cant be cover upthat easily .
Because that isnt Spice . Even a satelitte picture can see that easily.
An attack that last only one hr .
Targeting various assets and installation of PN and PAF .

Then suddenly escalates to nuke and loop all international players .
Pak will stay there.It cant cover up but will remain as a punitive strike .

Last one of course we can follow, if thereis a threat of terrorism .Strike using stand off range weapon with less collateral damage .

If I am not wrong .there the Ghatak UCAV a black project under the PMO is for something like that .We can do precision strike without much problem.
They wont even know what was just happened.


But open punitive strike is the only option if there is a need for counter strike .
Point is not to defeat but demoralise them
 
Lolwa said:
People don't undrstand the strength of a good propaganda department. And with a country like Pakistan which has a far advanced propaganda machine they can turn a loss and turn it into a victory. Those idiots believe that they won in 48,65,71,99.

27 Feb we saw the use of their propaganda machine first hand. Even though basically their two main objectives were a failure.

1.) Shooting down an MKI. They changed the whole story of their own f16 to the mki claim

2.) Bombing our military positions. They changed the narrative to being a message rather than their own failure of hitting any sites.

Mig 21 getting shot down and the Mi 17 fratricide was a facesaver literally for the Pakistanis. If the Mi 17 fratricide hadn't happened it would have been even more embarrassing for the Porkys since they would have caused us no loss apart from some 1960's junk aircraft.
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If you ask me, taking severe material loss and later claim that everything is fine is good for us.
We dont care what they believe , we cant change that .
But whole world knows what is just happened.

One thing we can do is regularly bomb the terrorists in PoK .Make them frustrate .
Stealth UCAV that under the development is specifically for this.

Sudden full strike , we cant do that .
It will also affect India.
 
SrNair said:
If you ask me, taking severe material loss and later claim that everything is fine is good for us.
We dont care what they believe , we cant change that .
But whole world knows what is just happened.

One thing we can do is regularly bomb the terrorists in PoK .Make them frustrate .
Stealth UCAV that under the development is specifically for this.

Sudden full strike , we cant do that .
It will also affect India.
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Again and again we are ending up in this circle-jerk. The thing is if we actually take their territory and they don't do anything it's good for us. But if we are only killing their soldiers and they are hiding their casualties since this is what is happening right now. Nothing changes. We will continue to lose men and they will continue to send jihadis.
The Pakistani state doesn't care for Pakistani lives as much as we do in India. For them there is one less inbred to take care of.
The stealth UCAV isn't coming anytime in the next two to three years. It will take a decade to become operational. By then Chinese tech would have become on par with the Americans and the Pakistanis won't be anymore insecure like they are right now.
Sudden full strike where? How? When? For what reason?
And if we waste our time on the LoC do you think the Chinese will sit and watch and eat bat soup?? A massive campaign is useless and not conceivable anytime in the next five years.
The only thing that can be done is use of Aircrafts to strike Terror launchpads inside Pakistani territory on a regular basis that's it. Fund the Balochis and the TTP and the mohajirs.
If you want actual concrete gains we need to salami slice PoK slowly like what the Chinese are attempting.

Also if we strike with Brahmos what is the guarantee the Pakistanis won't retaliate with their Hatf series of Chinese knockoff's??
 
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Lolwa said:
Bhaiya what khayali pulao you are creating. You cannot take out their aircrafts "one fine day". The PAF is actually the most competent out of all their service branches. Their Navy is useless and Army gets pummeled regularly. The only thing saving face is their airforce. And the PAF is quite smart in choosing their battles. They never entered our airspace during Kargil. Their tactics is in staying in their airspace and bait IAF aircrafts. You need to sanction a mass invasion to take out their entire fleet and that will fail because the more we go in the PAF will move its aircrafts more towards the airbases in Balochistan or even Iran.
It's just a bad idea. Economically, Politically and strategically. We don't achieve shit like that.
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huh.. who said taking out their entire fleet in one go. pakistan has around 100 odd f16 fighters taking out even 5-8 fighters in 2 or 3 strikes will severely dent their morale. I am also saying we need to bait them, we need to keep pushing their buttons and force them to make mistakes. Either they pick up the gauntlet or lose control over their skies which would mean free run for us. Most probably once they lose few aircrafts they will just pull back and hide them, in which case we can easily target their terror infra at will.
 
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First step should be to declare Pak Army and ISI as terrorist organisations and granting power to our armed forces to treat them as such. Fear of a Sulemani type strike will force PA generals to course correction. Ofcourse one or two examples will serve as an incentive.
 
randomradio said:
That's not war, those are just small skirmishes. War implies movement of ground troops across the border to secure objectives in enemy territory. Attacking a target from the air is not war.

Also, when we talk about punitive strikes, the idea is to put pressure on Pakistan to attack us, and our gameplan is to thwart such an attack and make them fail so that they come under pressure from their own people, civilians, terrorist groups and from within the PA itself. It's about forcing them to commit to making one mistake after another and push themselves into a corner.

So we will attack terrorists, they will retaliate similarly as they did after Balakot, then we thwart that attack and then respond to that attack... and so on. The idea is to force Pakistan to escalate. But if they have sense, they won't escalate, they will quietly get hit and we can keep hitting them perpetually, which will in turn destroy their morale. Basically, as long as we keep the pressure up, they have no way to win. This is not war.
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This is very rudimentary definition of war in an era where we have so many types of war. It all depend on objective of a war whether ground troops or any of the type need to cross the line or not.

For me, India need to find the that rung of escalation ladder beyond which India size and economy become a winning factor. It can be achieved without crossing the border. We must not restrict ourselves to capabilities Pakistan can match with all its limitations. Dont play within their ruleset.
 
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I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....😊
 
lcafanboy said:
I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....😊
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There wont be an escallation without a proper reason now, either they have to hit hard us first through a terrorist attack or adventures things like feb 27.
Post 2022, there may be. Reason for that is we will have full three squadrons of rafale & s400 with us and bjp will need much solid reasons than balakot to face 2024 election.
 
jetray said:
huh.. who said taking out their entire fleet in one go. pakistan has around 100 odd f16 fighters taking out even 5-8 fighters in 2 or 3 strikes will severely dent their morale. I am also saying we need to bait them, we need to keep pushing their buttons and force them to make mistakes. Either they pick up the gauntlet or lose control over their skies which would mean free run for us. Most probably once they lose few aircrafts they will just pull back and hide them, in which case we can easily target their terror infra at will.
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We are only going to attack them in self-defence for now. What you have suggested is in antithesis to our gameplan.
Arvind said:
This is very rudimentary definition of war in an era where we have so many types of war. It all depend on objective of a war whether ground troops or any of the type need to cross the line or not.

For me, India need to find the that rung of escalation ladder beyond which India size and economy become a winning factor. It can be achieved without crossing the border. We must not restrict ourselves to capabilities Pakistan can match with all its limitations. Dont play within their ruleset.
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We have an advantage at pretty much any rung now.
 
lcafanboy said:
I have a gut feeling we are going to hit Pakistan very hard. Never ever any PM, even Modi made a live telecast like he did today marking the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack....😊
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Not very hard. I think we will hit PA rather than terrorists. Expect some strike deep in PoK with significant PA casualties, significant in sense that ISPR is unable to cover up.

Hydra said:
There wont be an escallation without a proper reason now, either they have to hit hard us first through a terrorist attack or adventures things like feb 27.
Post 2022, there may be. Reason for that is we will have full three squadrons of rafale & s400 with us and bjp will need much solid reasons than balakot to face 2024 election.
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Indian armed forces doesn't need s400 and 3 sqds of rafale to kick Paxtan. It's highly unlikely that Paxtan would escalate to that level until we go for its dismemberment.

War needs money and Paxtan is bankrupt with no Arabs and America standing behind them.

Current escalation seems like trap that India will escalate with PA giving an opportunity to PLA to advance by starting a conflict.
 
Cole_phelps said:
Not very hard. I think we will hit PA rather than terrorists. Expect some strike deep in PoK with significant PA casualties, significant in sense that ISPR is unable to cover up.



Indian armed forces doesn't need s400 and 3 sqds of rafale to kick Paxtan. It's highly unlikely that Paxtan would escalate to that level until we go for its dismemberment.

War needs money and Paxtan is bankrupt with no Arabs and America standing behind them.

Current escalation seems like trap that India will escalate with PA giving an opportunity to PLA to advance by starting a conflict.
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We will not attack them without a reason till we get s400 & Rafale. Retaliation for another terrorist attack, we may do it.
 
Hydra said:
There wont be an escallation without a proper reason now, either they have to hit hard us first through a terrorist attack or adventures things like feb 27.
Post 2022, there may be. Reason for that is we will have full three squadrons of rafale & s400 with us and bjp will need much solid reasons than balakot to face 2024 election.
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Two squadrons of Rafale
 
Hydra said:
We will not attack them without a reason till we get s400 & Rafale. Retaliation for another terrorist attack, we may do it.
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oh yeah thats a gamble. what happens if s400 does not meet expectations. Even those patriot systems in saudi and south korea have misfired. I dont think it would be wise to have our war planning centered around the capabilities of these systems.
 
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