ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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Its good to know that PAKFA's avionics configuration is that good, I was not aware of that.

They have everything necessary to call it "5.5th gen" today. IMA based architecture, high speed/high bandwidth directional datalink, multi-spectral EO sensors, multi-spectral RF sensors, DIRCM, fiber optic cables, advanced HMDS at the level of the F-35's and a lot of other stuff we do not know yet, like DEW, multi-domain CEC etc.

Even the IFF is very advanced and fused with the other sensors. Surface units are displayed on the pilot's visor with different colours marking friendlies and enemies, and are all categorised. The pilot can pick his target through voice controls. The aircraft can commit to attacks without pilot input also, so AI is quite a prominent feature.

Super Sukhoi is still meh, the MLU refit for MKI is going to be a Game changer btw. There is interest by Russians, Israeli's and the French to upgrade the system. Russians are being quite co-operative on this. MKI single-handedly did more marketing for the SU 30 platform than what Russians could have ever achieved. by mid 2019 the specs will come out for MKI MLU.

The MLU package is in fact called Super Sukhoi. it's not an official air force term though, it was created by the media.
 
Yes, but untill entire ELC is complete there is no validation of claims. If Russians were upfront with t50 results and were transparent about deliverable by the LSP and SP's. IAF wold have nothing to doubt.

Any FGFA partnership should be like the Brahmos, modification of an existing design.

Of course, the PAK FA Stage 1 should originally have completed by 2015 and the LSPs should have entered service in 2016. And the new engine should already have been approaching IOC by the time the first FGFA prototype began flying. FGFA was planned according to these dates.

If we assume the aircraft is up to the specs we need, with 6th gen tech, we should sign the FGFA R&D contract sometime around 2022 and have the first jet inducted before 2032. This aircraft should be more or less competitive with the American F-X. Anything less is pointless. I hope the govt realises that.
 
Its good to know that PAKFA's avionics configuration is that good, I was not aware of that.

Super Sukhoi is still meh, the MLU refit for MKI is going to be a Game changer btw. There is interest by Russians, Israeli's and the French to upgrade the system. Russians are being quite co-operative on this. MKI single-handedly did more marketing for the SU 30 platform than what Russians could have ever achieved. by mid 2019 the specs will come out for MKI MLU.
There will be no France or Israel in Super Sukhoi. India has effectively substituted most of the imported items in Su30 and will complete the remaining substitution soon. Only Russian and Indian items will be there on Super Sukhoi
 
There will be no France or Israel in Super Sukhoi. India has effectively substituted most of the imported items in Su30 and will complete the remaining substitution soon. Only Russian and Indian items will be there on Super Sukhoi
we'll see.
 
There will be no France or Israel in Super Sukhoi. India has effectively substituted most of the imported items in Su30 and will complete the remaining substitution soon. Only Russian and Indian items will be there on Super Sukhoi

French RLG-INS will be there (as will be on almost all Indian combat platforms), there is no effective substitute that the armed forces find acceptable. Israeli Self-Protection Jammer pods will be substituted but Laser-Designation Pods and Recon pods will remain.
 
French RLG-INS will be there (as will be on almost all Indian combat platforms), there is no effective substitute that the armed forces find acceptable. Israeli Self-Protection Jammer pods will be substituted but Laser-Designation Pods and Recon pods will remain.
The RLG-INS for missiles were developed by RCI. Hyderabad. In 2017, Naval RLG_INS was developed by RCI again. It is likely that the same will be developed for Tejas soon. RLG-INS is difficult to use when the speed is slow. So, if naval RLG works, there is little doubt that RLG for LCA will also work.

Israeli Litening pods are strangely bought by India instead of being made in India. These are simple technology. So, I am not sure if this is a political deal or real needs.
 
The RLG-INS for missiles were developed by RCI. Hyderabad. In 2017, Naval RLG_INS was developed by RCI again. It is likely that the same will be developed for Tejas soon. RLG-INS is difficult to use when the speed is slow. So, if naval RLG works, there is little doubt that RLG for LCA will also work.

Indigenous RLG-INS that finds use on board platforms such as a fighters, helicopters, rocket artillery or short range missiles is not something that exists as of today. All of them are French SIGMA-95 series. Even those on board Arihant class SSBNs. RCI and DRDO labs have multiple technology demonstration projects - but they are just that, tech demos, at least for next 5 to 10 years.

Israeli Litening pods are strangely bought by India instead of being made in India. These are simple technology. So, I am not sure if this is a political deal or real needs.

How are they simple technology? Making an uncooled IR seeker that stays active for all of a few seconds is not the same as making reliable Infra-red and other optical imaging technologies that have to operate for hours at a time and at respectable resolutions.

As of the Israeli pods being political deals, the day when India is capable of making Thermal Imagers for tanks, FLIRs for helicopters and IRSTs for fighters, is the day I will believe the LITENING is a political deal. Since none of that is the case, no, the LITENING or RecceLite are not political deals. Even the USAF uses pods of this series.
 
Indigenous RLG-INS that finds use on board platforms such as a fighters, helicopters, rocket artillery or short range missiles is not something that exists as of today. All of them are French SIGMA-95 series. Even those on board Arihant class SSBNs. RCI and DRDO labs have multiple technology demonstration projects - but they are just that, tech demos, at least for next 5 to 10 years.
Here read this where it is clearly said that RLG for navy has been handed over: Defence Minister Hands Over Indigenous DRDO Naval Systems
Here is the quote:
The Minister of Defence, Finance and Corporate Affairs Shri Arun Jaitley handed over three Naval Systems indigenously developedby Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to the Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Sunil Lanba here today. The Minister also released two other products developed by DRDO namelyIP-based Secure Phone and the Gallium Nitride Technology. Speaking on the occasion Shri Jaitley remarked that DRDO is becoming an important instrument for self-reliance of the nation. He stated that some of the best innovations have come from the pool of scientists of DRDO. The Defence Minister also said that great societies and nations are made through people working on important tasks in anonymity, like the DRDO scientists who were honoured today. Shri Jaitley also said that in the modern world, societies that invent and innovate will make faster progress.

The Minister gave away the annual DRDO awards in various categories during the function. Apart from the scientists and teams who won awards in various vistas of technological excellence, the Advanced Systems Laboratory, Hyderabad and the Microwave Tube Research & Development Centre, Bangalore won the coveted Silicon Trophy and Titanium Trophy respectively.

The Naval Systems handed over to the Indian Navy are USHUS-II Submarine Sonar, Directing Gear for Hull Mounted Sonar Array, and RLG based Inertial Navigation System for Ship Applications (INS-SA). The export potential of DRDO technologies also received due recognition during the function, with the announcement of the bagging of export order for DRDO-developed torpedo to Myanmar.

Speaking on the occasion Dr. Subhash Bhamre, Minister of State for Defence said DRDO is playing an important role in self-reliance of Defence Forces and the export potential of the Organisation is finding a place in the global Defence market. He congratulated all the awardees and their families.

Chairman, DRDO and Secretary, Department of Defence (R&D)Dr. S Christopher in his address said the Defence Acquisition Council cleared order value of DRDO products has gone uptoRs. 2.56 lakh crore out of which about Rs. 1 lakh crore was in the last two years alone.

Sonars are the eyes and ears of a submarine under water. DRDO has developed the State-of-the-Art submarine sonar suite, USHUS-II, a highly evolved compendium of multiple sensors. The constituent sonars in the suite include passive sonar, active sonar, intercept sonar, obstacle avoidance sonar and underwater telephony.

Directing Gear is an electro-mechanical system that supports the transducer array of hull-mounted ship sonar systems and rotates it at a controlled speed for in-situ acoustic calibration at Harbour and Sea.

The Inertial Navigation System, based on indigenous Ring Laser Gyroscopes, provides vital information on the ship's position coordinates and heading for steering it to its destination accurately. It features high speed processor, multi-constellation Sat Nav receiver, ship specific interfaces and innovative algorithms.

With the emergence of Gallium Nitride as a state-of-the-art material for MMIC applications, DRDO has established this futuristic technology, which will substantially help in the development of next generation radars, seekers and communication systems, for application in Light Combat Aircraft.

The Secure IP Phone incorporates an indigenous encryption algorithm on a trustworthy hardware platform to provide a high level of secrecy to voice and data, for communication of strategic and tactical plans of the Armed Forces.

The function was also attended by senior functionaries of the Ministry of Defence, Indian Navy, DRDO and industry partners.

What 5-10 years? If the project was so difficult, how did the people in 1980s make them? In 1980s, there was very little computerisation.

How are they simple technology? Making an uncooled IR seeker that stays active for all of a few seconds is not the same as making reliable Infra-red and other optical imaging technologies that have to operate for hours at a time and at respectable resolutions.
This is also 1990s technology. Turkey has also developed its own laser targeting pod. Israel is a small country while Turkey is only starting to get defence technology. If Israel and Turkey can develop such equipments, then India can also develop it.
 
Here read this where it is clearly said that RLG for navy has been handed over: Defence Minister Hands Over Indigenous DRDO Naval Systems
Here is the quote:

All IN surface and undersea combatants use French RLG-INS. You are reading too much into the term handed over. They also handed over LCA to IAF a long time ago.

What 5-10 years? If the project was so difficult, how did the people in 1980s make them? In 1980s, there was very little computerisation.

I'm sure even students from IIT can make one in their lab. It's not about just making it. It's about making it good enough.

This is also 1990s technology.

Stealth aircraft and humans landing on moon is also 1960s technology. By your logic every country should be able to do that as of today.

Turkey has also developed its own laser targeting pod. Israel is a small country while Turkey is only starting to get defence technology. If Israel and Turkey can develop such equipments, then India can also develop it.

Turkey does very little to no R&D. Most if not all of their techs are licensed/repackeged European/American tech.

If you gauge a country's technological advancement by how large it is then India should be far ahead of all European countries. Underestimate Israeli tech and expertise at your own risk.
 
All IN surface and undersea combatants use French RLG-INS. You are reading too much into the term handed over. They also handed over LCA to IAF a long time ago.
This was handed over in 2017. That means technology developed is 1 year old. So, all of the current RLG is imported. But, it is not necessary from henceforth.

Stealth aircraft and humans landing on moon is also 1960s technology. By your logic every country should be able to do that as of today.
Actually, if sufficient funding is given, it is possible to do that. The only problem here is that India will have to design a much bigger rocket which will take huge costs for development. The manufacturing will also cause excessively high as the scaling is absent. Such a rocket developed will not be usable again as there is no need to have rockets with payload capacity of well over 100ton to LEO. So, people don't do it unnecessarily. Otherwise this is perfectly possible to do by many countries today, including India. It will just consume too much resource.

If you gauge a country's technological advancement by how large it is then India should be far ahead of all European countries. Underestimate Israeli tech and expertise at your own risk
The size itself is not what I am saying. The amount of resources and human capital available is what matters. India does not have enough resources but has enough human capital. Israel has no resources and limited human capital. So, Israel developing it while India unable to do so is surprising.
 
This was handed over in 2017. That means technology developed is 1 year old. So, all of the current RLG is imported. But, it is not necessary from henceforth.

Well, you will see where we stand.

Actually, if sufficient funding is given, it is possible to do that. The only problem here is that India will have to design a much bigger rocket which will take huge costs for development. The manufacturing will also cause excessively high as the scaling is absent. Such a rocket developed will not be usable again as there is no need to have rockets with payload capacity of well over 100ton to LEO. So, people don't do it unnecessarily. Otherwise this is perfectly possible to do by many countries today, including India. It will just consume too much resource.

Exactly - but sufficient funding is not given. Why? Because 90% of countries even as of today have other things to fund rather than human spaceflight to moon...or indigenous RLG-INS that can substitute French one.

The size itself is not what I am saying. The amount of resources and human capital available is what matters. India does not have enough resources but has enough human capital. Israel has no resources and limited human capital. So, Israel developing it while India unable to do so is surprising.

Then you have made a huge mistake in calling Israel small. India has huge unskilled human capital. Our skilled capital in niche fields is microscopic compared to Israel. Take the field of GSM technologies for instance, see how many PhD-holders in such tech Israel has and see how many India has.

If you want to create techs like RLG-INS to the standard that it can substitute the French ones, you need such skilled human capital. A million unskilled workers cannot create a reliable design for RLG-INS. A single skilled scientist can.
 
Exactly - but sufficient funding is not given. Why? Because 90% of countries even as of today have other things to fund rather than human spaceflight to moon...or indigenous RLG-INS that can substitute French one
Human space flight has no use except show-off. RLG has use in security. So, comparison is absurd
If you want to create techs like RLG-INS to the standard that it can substitute the French ones, you need such skilled human capital. A million unskilled workers cannot create a reliable design for RLG-INS. A single skilled scientist can
India has large population. Unskilled labourers as well as skilled one are both there. We don't need half the population to be skilled. Even if 0.5% is skilled, our total skilled population will be more than Israeli population.

Israel has almost no natural resources and that is where the big disadvantage comes. So, there is no question of comparing Israel with India
 
Human space flight has no use except show-off. RLG has use in security. So, comparison is absurd

If the comparison is absurd then please tell me why India did not already develop indigenous RLG-INS back in 80s.

India has large population. Unskilled labourers as well as skilled one are both there. We don't need half the population to be skilled. Even if 0.5% is skilled, our total skilled population will be more than Israeli population.

Israel has almost no natural resources and that is where the big disadvantage comes. So, there is no question of comparing Israel with India

You can compare or not compare that is up to you. But fact of the matter is that it is India which has to import billions worth of hardware from Israel, not the other way round. Sure we will eventually develop indigenous alternatives as we become a bigger economy and more money is available for R&D budgets, but that is years if not decades away.

As I already said, go ahead and ignore realities and talk about how things should be or would be instead of how they actually are, but do so at your own risk.
 
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If the comparison is absurd then please tell me why India did not already develop indigenous RLG-INS back in 80s
India had poor quality politicians influenced by foreign countries and India was not mature as a country. India was not born because of people uniting but because of mishap of WW2. That problem lingered.

You can compare or not compare that is up to you. But fact of the matter is that it is India which has to import billions worth of hardware from Israel, not the other way round. Sure we will eventually develop indigenous alternatives as we become a bigger economy and more money is available for R&D budgets, but that is years if not decades away.
Stop using "fact of matter". India did not develop but ca develop quickly by studying the imported systems. Incapability is not the issue but something else is and that is what I am asking. If you don't know keep quiet instead of giving false parallels
 
India had poor quality politicians influenced by foreign countries and India was not mature as a country. India was not born because of people uniting but because of mishap of WW2. That problem lingered.

Accha, so how did we manage to develop such a successful space program that even Israel used our rocket to launch their satellites? Our politicians were of superb quality in this case? Have you any idea what you are talking about?

Stop using "fact of matter". India did not develop but ca develop quickly by studying the imported systems. Incapability is not the issue but something else is and that is what I am asking. If you don't know keep quiet instead of giving false parallels

There is no false parallel. There is only your incapability to understand and your prejudice to see things which don't exist while choosing to ignore things which do exist.

India has a poor tech base. That is a fact. Not because of quality of politicians but because we have very poor R&D budgets. Take some time out to look up how much is our annual budget (not GDP figures, but actual budget presented in Parliament by FinMin for this FY) and compare that to the annual budget of Israel. Our population is 1300 million, their's is 8 million. Now compare budgets.

Once you do that is when you begin to realize what is the parallel being drawn. Then you begin to realize why R&D budgets are poor. Then you realize why we have poor tech base and why we cannot yet develop technologies on par with world-class ones. Then, my jumpy friend, you will realize why we use French SIGMA-95 RLG-INS.
 
Accha, so how did we manage to develop such a successful space program that even Israel used our rocket to launch their satellites? Our politicians were of superb quality in this case? Have you any idea what you are talking about?
India developed space mission only in 1990s, not in 1980s. The 1980s space mission was hounded with poor politics and lack of funding. It was Narasimha Rao that funded space mission and got results. India's first satellite was launched in late 1994 only despite launching test satellites since 1980. No other country took 15 years to launch a proper satellite from the first test satellite. This is definitely poor politics

There is no false parallel. There is only your incapability to understand and your prejudice to see things which don't exist while choosing to ignore things which do exist.
Or rather your incapability?

India has a poor tech base. That is a fact. Not because of quality of politicians but because we have very poor R&D budgets. Take some time out to look up how much is our annual budget (not GDP figures, but actual budget presented in Parliament by FinMin for this FY) and compare that to the annual budget of Israel. Our population is 1.3 billion, their's is 8 million. Now compare budgets.
India had a poor technology base. But it has developed to a good extent now. Don't compare R&D budgets of every sector but only of defence and strategic sectors. R&D in food processing or automobile will not help in defence. Many of the R&D are either some innovative softwares, luxuries or other non-strategic application based.

So, look at strategic research and you will find that India invests well enough, more than Israel. R&D is not measured in per capita as knowledge is knowledge. There is nothing called per capita knowledge.

I am asking you about the reason behind the problem, not the problem itself. The problem of poor technology exists because someone did not allow it to be developed, not because of magic. My question is who is that and what was the intention behind that. You are telling everything other than what is relevant.
 
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India developed space mission only in 1990s, not in 1980s. The 1980s space mission was hounded with poor politics and lack of funding. It was Narasimha Rao that funded space mission and got results. India's first satellite was launched in late 1994 only despite launching test satellites since 1980. No other country took 15 years to launch a proper satellite from the first test satellite. This is definitely poor politics

Accha I see, so Narasimha Rao was not Indian politician. He was from Germany. :LOL:

Or rather your incapability?

To do what?

India had a poor technology base. But it has developed to a good extent now.

Sure we developed a tech base today that is comparable to what first world countries had back in 70s. As you can see, it is anything but cutting edge.

Don't compare R&D budgets of every sector but only of defence and strategic sectors.

Yes, yes. Do compare only that. But a little question: HAVE you actually compared? Or just doing post after post here with no background research?

R&D in food processing or automobile will not help in defence.

That one sentence explains why you are so naive. If you have any relatives in the Army, do ask them who supplies the 6x6 10-ton trucks to Army (without which troop mobility across frontier sectors will come to standstill), who supplies the 4x4 air conditioned SUVs that officers move in, and who is building the airmobile light strike vehicles for Special Forces.

Once you get the answers, do ask them if any of this would have been possible if not for R&D in automobile engineering (with focus on civilian sector because that is where bulk of revenue is).

So, look at strategic research and you will find that India invests well enough, more than Israel.

Is that why almost entire fleet of Navy's main surface warships have Israeli radars and missiles? All of which are recently acquired?

R&D is not measured in per capita as knowledge is knowledge. There is nothing called per capita knowledge.

There is nothing called knowledge in your head per se.
 
Sure we developed a tech base today that is comparable to what first world countries had back in 70s. As you can see, it is anything but cutting edge.
Do you even know how 1970s was? Was there radars like AESA, PESA back then? Was there a high end plane like Tejas? High end satellite radar?

What was there is 1970s at all? If you look at items like assault rifles then 1940s technology is still being used. There has been no major improvements. So, some technology which saturated stayed as such but many new technology which came after 1990s supercomputing is available in India.
Yes, yes. Do compare only that. But a little question: HAVE you actually compared? Or just doing post after post here with no background research?
Have you compared? Do you have any background research?

That one sentence explains why you are so naive. If you have any relatives in the Army, do ask them who supplies the 6x6 10-ton trucks to Army (without which troop mobility across frontier sectors will come to standstill), who supplies the 4x4 air conditioned SUVs that officers move in, and who is building the airmobile light strike vehicles for Special Forces.

Once you get the answers, do ask them if any of this would have been possible if not for R&D in automobile engineering (with focus on civilian sector because that is where bulk of revenue is).
Yeah, got an example of 6x6 or 8x8 and became a hero! The 6x6 or 8x8 are not some great disruptive technology. These are low end technology which is not complicated. That does not require major research. For god's sake, civilian sector is not useful. The applications like computers, satellites etc all started as military use, not civilian. The question of money or profits does not come in strategic uses.. You seem to lack any understanding of economy and simply blabber.

The automobile innovation that costs the most is in fashion design, fibre-chassis, smooth petrol engine etc. In strategic uses, it is diesel engine and other requirements. Just becaus ethere is some overlap does not mean there is complete overlap.

Is that why almost entire fleet of Navy's main surface warships have Israeli radars and missiles? All of which are recently acquired?

The reason why India uses Israeli radars is because India did not invest in R&D earlier and India is catching on. The BARAK-8 has been indigenised and the radars will also be indigenised soon. India has developed Akash SAM on its own and has many other things like Tejas plane with FBW, ICBM, nuclear submarines which Israel does not have

I am asking you about the reason behind the problem, not the problem itself. The problem of poor technology exists because someone did not allow it to be developed in the past and catching up has been a problem once the thrust was given by later governments, not because of magic. My question is who is that and what was the intention behind that. You are telling everything other than what is relevant.
 
Do you even know how 1970s was? Was there radars like AESA, PESA back then?

Actually yes, active phased array technology did exist in 70s. Although it was very immature and mostly at the start of their development cycle to become what they are today. Much like in same position where India is right now. Although we are helped by advancements made by other countries which allowed us to leapfrog and take shortcuts.

For example we would be nowhere near what we are today if we never imported computers with Intel processors and relied only on Indian-origin equipment to compute our data.

Was there a high end plane like Tejas?

In the 70s, there existed many planes that can drop Tejas like a fly. In 70s, Lockheed was flying tech demonstrators for stealth aircraft like Have Blue. Where is our stealth fighter TD today?

What was there is 1970s at all? If you look at items like assault rifles then 1940s technology is still being used. There has been no major improvements.

Only if you know nothing about rifles and think that Sturmgewehr and AK-47 are still epitome of assault rifle technology. Ok by that logic there has no major breakthrough in flight since Wright Brothers - everything still uses lift to counteract gravity.

Have you compared? Do you have any background research?

You're asking me? :LOL:

Yeah, got an example of 6x6 or 8x8 and became a hero! The 6x6 or 8x8 are not some great disruptive technology. These are low end technology which is not complicated. That does not require major research. For god's sake, civilian sector is not useful. The applications like computers, satellites etc all started as military use, not civilian. The question of money or profits does not come in strategic uses.. You seem to lack any understanding of economy and simply blabber.

If you pursue R&D for technologies with no regard for civilian sector uses, then you end up like Soviets did. That is basic rule.

Yes, tech is pioneered for strategic purposes - but almost all tech has dual use. If you don't tap into those dual uses, then you get no revenue. No revenue means you don't have the budget to research the next level of strategic tech.

In short - the civilian sector is what makes things economically viable.

The reason why India uses Israeli radars is because India did not invest in R&D earlier and India is catching on.

Exactly. Glad you finally realize that. But the catching up won't happen till next decade at the very least.

The BARAK-8 has been indigenised

Really? Where does the most important component (i.e. the seeker) coming from? Here's a hint: in the factory which makes seekers for Barak, they speak Hebrew.

and the radars will also be indigenised soon.

I'm sure you mean soon in Indian Stretched Time. Meaning after around 15 years.

India has developed Akash SAM on its own

You mean we managed to re-paint Russian Kub SAM on our own.

and has many other things like Tejas plane with FBW,

You talking about the same Tejas which is still unable to fire its 23mm cannon and god alone knows when will receive FOC? Please, Israel already did more than that with IAI Lavi prototypes.


All the ballistic missile techs India developed as part of Agni series are things which Israel had already had at least 10-15 years earlier as part of Jericho series.

Jericho-3 is pretty much superior to Agni-5. And J3 is already in service since last ~7-8 years. By the time A5 enters service there will again be 10+ years lead. And this is not even including the sheer technological superiority Arrow series has when it comes to BMD systems.

nuclear submarines

You mean the same ones the Russians pretty much walked us through building? If you really think Arihant class boat or the PWR powering it are the result of Indian R&D, you are way too naive to even have a conversation with.

which Israel does not have

...which Israel does not need is more like it. Where exactly should Israel patrol with an SSBN even if they did have one? In the Mediterranean Sea? :LOL:

I am asking you about the reason behind the problem, not the problem itself. The problem of poor technology exists because someone did not allow it to be developed in the past and catching up has been a problem once the thrust was given by later governments, not because of magic. My question is who is that and what was the intention behind that. You are telling everything other than what is relevant.

Money is the reason.

If you think anything else was the reason why there exists a poor tech base, you are either stupid or an some kind of conspiracy theorist. I mean, ask yourself: who exactly are these idiotic external influence who is "not allowing" development of tactical tech like radars but have absolutely no strings to pull in terms of developing strategic, balance-changing technologies like ballistic missiles?
 
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For example we would be nowhere near what we are today if we never imported computers with Intel processors and relied only on Indian-origin equipment to compute our data.
India had developed its own PARAM computers and still is capable of making 180nm chips in SCL, Chandigarh. India can make probably much better chips of 65nm too but it is not revealed

In the 70s, there existed many planes that can drop Tejas like a fly. In 70s, Lockheed was flying tech demonstrators for stealth aircraft like Have Blue. Where is our stealth fighter TD today?
You must be a fool to think without the advanced computing, BVR and radars like UTTAM, it is possible to take down Tejas! Stealth is just your fantasy. Have blue was poorly designed and not aerodynamic. It was designed for radars rather than as a balance and hence it crashed badly. There is no point hiding behind a tree and calling yourself stealth mode

Only if you know nothing about rifles and think that Sturmgewehr and AK-47 are still epitome of assault rifle technology. Ok by that logic there has no major breakthrough in flight since Wright Brothers - everything still uses lift to counteract gravity.
Is everything just about rifles? Did I say that all equipments are similar to rifles? Do you even read?

If you pursue R&D for technologies with no regard for civilian sector uses, then you end up like Soviets did. That is basic rule.

Yes, tech is pioneered for strategic purposes - but almost all tech has dual use. If you don't tap into those dual uses, then you get no revenue. No revenue means you don't have the budget to research the next level of strategic tech.

In short - the civilian sector is what makes things economically viable.
USSR was pretty strong militarily and that is what mattered. The problem with USSR was that the USSR had lot of ethnicity which were not strongly bonded. That was the problem rather than military thrust of R&D.

Exactly. Glad you finally realize that. But the catching up won't happen till next decade at the very least.
Catching up will happen at different rate for different items. All items will not need till 2030 to be caught up. Things like RLG has already been caught up. Only things like AMCA will take till 2030 as that is the most advanced technology. Many other technology will be developed soon enough.

Really? Where does the most important component (i.e. the seeker) coming from? Here's a hint: in the factory which makes seekers for Barak, they speak Hebrew.
The seeker has been indigenised and is under testing. As I said, catch up is happening fast.

I'm sure you mean soon in Indian Stretched Time. Meaning after around 15 years.
What is there to be stretched. UTTAM AESA radar is already under flight tests and algorithms for various radars are already being developed. The MRSAM, LRSAM are nothing but indigenisation programmes for Barak-8.

You mean we managed to re-paint Russian Kub SAM on our own.
Huehue. What is KLUB SAM? India made its own algorithm and radar. Seekers are also developed and is under testing. Akash SAM is already deployed

You talking about the same Tejas which is still unable to fire its 23mm cannon and god alone knows when will receive FOC?
Does Gripen fire its cannon? Oh! It does not have a cannon. Tejas may not even have a cannon in normal usage. Cannon may be discarded as an additional drag and weight. FOC is 2018 end. Suvarna Raju has said this in November 2017 interview with Indian express. Don't repeat the same thing
All the ballistic missile techs India developed as part of Agni series are things which Israel had already had at least 10-15 years earlier as part of Jericho series.

Jericho-3 is pretty much superior to Agni-5. And J3 is already in service since last ~7-8 years. By the time A5 enters service there will again be 10+ years lead. And this is not even including the sheer technological superiority Arrow series has when it comes to BMD systems.
Jericho is better than Indian missiles? India may have developed late but Agni is better and longer range than Israeli missile.

You mean the same ones the Russians pretty much walked us through building? If you really think Arihant class boat or the PWR powering it are the result of Indian R&D, you are way too naive to even have a conversation with.
Indian R&D also has been extensively involved in nuclear submarine projects. It is not that India imports these from Russia. You are speaking as if Indians were retards and fully helped by Russia. Russia may have given ideas but not entire blueprint.

which Israel does not need is more like it. Where exactly should Israel patrol with an SSBN even if they did have one? In the Mediterranean Sea?
Arihant was initially made as a SSN, not SSBN. But it was simply branded SSBN after 1999. Arihant appears to be a combination of the two. A range f just 750km for its missiles is too less to be a reasonable SSBN. It is difficult to come that close to a coast to fire missiles at enemy. It is in all likelihood, a SSN and SSBN combo. The weight of Arihant is also comparable to Akula, not to heavier SSBN. This rises suspicion of it being SSBN

If you think anything else was the reason why there exists a poor tech base, you are either stupid or an some kind of conspiracy theorist. I mean, ask yourself: who exactly are these idiotic external influence who is "not allowing" development of tactical tech like radars but have absolutely no strings to pull in terms of developing strategic, balance-changing technologies like ballistic missiles?
Conspiracy theories come because the official version is filled with lies and inconsistency which are not properly explained. Also, the problem of money comes only when importing or requiring huge amounts of natural resource. India had enough of aluminium, iron, coal, copper and many other minerals and resources needed. All that was needed was to dig out some of these and give to R&D. Efficient distribution of resources, increased taxes, voluntary contributions, war-phobia etc would have been used to get more support for defence build up. None of this was pursued. Research based on indigenous resources is not expensive. Only when the resource is external, it is expensive
 
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