AMCA, India's first stealth fighter, likely to be airborne before 2025
Bengaluru: The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project of India has gone deep into the detail design phase now. Along with the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), hundreds of scientists spread across at least 20 Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) labs are now engrossed in critical work to find solutions to a number of gen-next technologies that need to be proven.
With the Project Definition Phase (PDP) getting over in 2017, Onmanorama can confirm that scientists have already walked some distance designing the AMCA, India’s stealth fighter.
ADA, the designers of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), is spearheading the AMCA mission.
The AMCA will be propelled by a GE-414 engine with a thrust of 90 kN and this will be an interim step by the makers till a higher thrust engine of 110 kN is finalised. The GE-414, set to power Tejas Mk-II, will power AMCA as well, till India develops a 110 kN engine possibly in collaboration with a foreign partner.
The current plan is to fly AMCA with GE-414 engine for the first six-seven years, what the designers now term as an ‘interim engine’ for India’s 5th-generation stealth platform.
While the design phase has already been sanctioned to commence activities, the final approval for AMCA from the government (Cabinet Committee on Security) is in process.
The plan is to build four prototypes and fly the first one before 2025, which is seven years from now.
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is said to be working out the exact numbers for this future fighter, while the AMCA Directorate at ADA is ensuring a robust foundation for this big-ticket desi project.
Model to test stealth
The feasibility study began in 2009 with an initial funding of Rs 90 crore. Last year about Rs 400 crore came in for the Detail Design Phase (DDP), which is expected to be completed in the next 3 years. Post that, the AMCA will get on to the crucial development phase, flight testing and eventually certification.
With India finally ejecting out of jointly making the FGFA (Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft) with Russia, there was a stalemate over AMCA for a while and now the flight path seemed to have cleared.
“This is for the first time ever in the country we are on a stealth design and the challenges are unique here. However, an advantage is we just have to concentrate on the fifth-gen technologies like stealth since we have already mastered all the 4th-gen technologies through LCA,” an official told.
A full-scale model (1:1) of AMCA is being manufactured by VEM Technologies for stealth measurements. DRDO is also displaying a scaled model of Advance Medium Combat Aircraft with audio-visual effects at Aero India 2019.
The 1:1 model will be taken to the Orange facility in Hyderabad or to Defence Laboratory, Jodhpur (DLJ), for testing the stealth features. DRDO’s Orange facility was opened in 2015 to test current and futuristic weapon systems under development.
The scientists need to measure stealth features on the modular model being developed by VEM Technologies. Modularity is provided so that new stealth technologies can be immediately incorporated and validated on the model. Orange can provide RCS (Radar Cross Section) measurements and the pylon system at the facility can lift payloads up to 35 tonnes.
“Earlier you used to make an aircraft and then check its stealth features. Now, from design stage itself stealth features are part of the optimisation. It was an afterthought earlier, but in a 5th-generational fighter, stealth gets priority,” the official said.
Scientists are hopeful of getting this 1:1 AMCA model ready for tests by the end of this year. Further optimisation of stealth features is underway. This is being done not only by scientists in DRDO and CSIR but also many academic institutions including IISc in Bengaluru and various IITs.
“Stealth and aerodynamics don’t go hand in hand so you have to guarantee some minimum performance and optimise for stealth,” the official said.
AMCA has been designed with MDO (multi-disciplinary optimisation) engineering route with stealth as an optimising parameter. (MDO brings in a number of engineering disciplines while finding solutions to complex problems.)
Loaded with features
Detailed R&D on materials, paints and structures are being undertaken by various labs now. Study is also underway on flight control, avionics, aerodynamics, composite structure and general systems like brakes, hydraulics and fuels systems.
“We hope to have the first flight of AMCA before 2025 with all the stealth features being established by then. With reduced IR (Infra Red), we are working on the super cruise abilities that give the aircraft capability to fly at supersonic speeds without the afterburner,” says the official.
Passive sensors, internal weapon bay, advanced integrated avionics, next-gen AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, 360-degree enhanced situation awareness, IVHM (Integrated Vehicle Monitoring System), serpentine air intake, IRST (Infra Red Search and Track), MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System) and Diverterless Supersonic Intake (DSI) are some of the features being claimed by Indian scientists that will make AMCA a powerful fighting machine.
Added features like SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) and DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) will also give more teeth to its BVR (Beyond Visual Range) characteristics.
“Parallel efforts to camouflage the aircraft to achieve visual and IR stealth will continue in the next few years,” adds the official.
As this Onmanorama Aero India 2019 special report jettisons into the web space, the AMCA backroom boys are initiating the Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) plans for AMCA.
India’s home-grown fighter programmes are on inspiring flightpath now with the scientists gaining confidence in converting dreams into reality at a relatively faster pace. The lessons from LCA will probably act as a ready-reckoner.
(The writer is an independent aerospace and defence journalist, who blogs at Tarmak007 and tweets @writetake.)
Bengaluru: The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project of India has gone deep into the detail design phase now. Along with the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), hundreds of scientists spread across at least 20 Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) labs are now engrossed in critical work to find solutions to a number of gen-next technologies that need to be proven.
With the Project Definition Phase (PDP) getting over in 2017, Onmanorama can confirm that scientists have already walked some distance designing the AMCA, India’s stealth fighter.
ADA, the designers of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), is spearheading the AMCA mission.
The AMCA will be propelled by a GE-414 engine with a thrust of 90 kN and this will be an interim step by the makers till a higher thrust engine of 110 kN is finalised. The GE-414, set to power Tejas Mk-II, will power AMCA as well, till India develops a 110 kN engine possibly in collaboration with a foreign partner.
The current plan is to fly AMCA with GE-414 engine for the first six-seven years, what the designers now term as an ‘interim engine’ for India’s 5th-generation stealth platform.
While the design phase has already been sanctioned to commence activities, the final approval for AMCA from the government (Cabinet Committee on Security) is in process.
The plan is to build four prototypes and fly the first one before 2025, which is seven years from now.
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is said to be working out the exact numbers for this future fighter, while the AMCA Directorate at ADA is ensuring a robust foundation for this big-ticket desi project.
Model to test stealth
The feasibility study began in 2009 with an initial funding of Rs 90 crore. Last year about Rs 400 crore came in for the Detail Design Phase (DDP), which is expected to be completed in the next 3 years. Post that, the AMCA will get on to the crucial development phase, flight testing and eventually certification.
With India finally ejecting out of jointly making the FGFA (Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft) with Russia, there was a stalemate over AMCA for a while and now the flight path seemed to have cleared.
“This is for the first time ever in the country we are on a stealth design and the challenges are unique here. However, an advantage is we just have to concentrate on the fifth-gen technologies like stealth since we have already mastered all the 4th-gen technologies through LCA,” an official told.
A full-scale model (1:1) of AMCA is being manufactured by VEM Technologies for stealth measurements. DRDO is also displaying a scaled model of Advance Medium Combat Aircraft with audio-visual effects at Aero India 2019.
The 1:1 model will be taken to the Orange facility in Hyderabad or to Defence Laboratory, Jodhpur (DLJ), for testing the stealth features. DRDO’s Orange facility was opened in 2015 to test current and futuristic weapon systems under development.
The scientists need to measure stealth features on the modular model being developed by VEM Technologies. Modularity is provided so that new stealth technologies can be immediately incorporated and validated on the model. Orange can provide RCS (Radar Cross Section) measurements and the pylon system at the facility can lift payloads up to 35 tonnes.
“Earlier you used to make an aircraft and then check its stealth features. Now, from design stage itself stealth features are part of the optimisation. It was an afterthought earlier, but in a 5th-generational fighter, stealth gets priority,” the official said.
Scientists are hopeful of getting this 1:1 AMCA model ready for tests by the end of this year. Further optimisation of stealth features is underway. This is being done not only by scientists in DRDO and CSIR but also many academic institutions including IISc in Bengaluru and various IITs.
“Stealth and aerodynamics don’t go hand in hand so you have to guarantee some minimum performance and optimise for stealth,” the official said.
AMCA has been designed with MDO (multi-disciplinary optimisation) engineering route with stealth as an optimising parameter. (MDO brings in a number of engineering disciplines while finding solutions to complex problems.)
Loaded with features
Detailed R&D on materials, paints and structures are being undertaken by various labs now. Study is also underway on flight control, avionics, aerodynamics, composite structure and general systems like brakes, hydraulics and fuels systems.
“We hope to have the first flight of AMCA before 2025 with all the stealth features being established by then. With reduced IR (Infra Red), we are working on the super cruise abilities that give the aircraft capability to fly at supersonic speeds without the afterburner,” says the official.
Passive sensors, internal weapon bay, advanced integrated avionics, next-gen AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, 360-degree enhanced situation awareness, IVHM (Integrated Vehicle Monitoring System), serpentine air intake, IRST (Infra Red Search and Track), MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System) and Diverterless Supersonic Intake (DSI) are some of the features being claimed by Indian scientists that will make AMCA a powerful fighting machine.
Added features like SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) and DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) will also give more teeth to its BVR (Beyond Visual Range) characteristics.
“Parallel efforts to camouflage the aircraft to achieve visual and IR stealth will continue in the next few years,” adds the official.
As this Onmanorama Aero India 2019 special report jettisons into the web space, the AMCA backroom boys are initiating the Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) plans for AMCA.
India’s home-grown fighter programmes are on inspiring flightpath now with the scientists gaining confidence in converting dreams into reality at a relatively faster pace. The lessons from LCA will probably act as a ready-reckoner.
(The writer is an independent aerospace and defence journalist, who blogs at Tarmak007 and tweets @writetake.)
@randomradioAMCA, India's first stealth fighter, likely to be airborne before 2025
Bengaluru: The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project of India has gone deep into the detail design phase now. Along with the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), hundreds of scientists spread across at least 20 Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) labs are now engrossed in critical work to find solutions to a number of gen-next technologies that need to be proven.
With the Project Definition Phase (PDP) getting over in 2017, Onmanorama can confirm that scientists have already walked some distance designing the AMCA, India’s stealth fighter.
ADA, the designers of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), is spearheading the AMCA mission.
The AMCA will be propelled by a GE-414 engine with a thrust of 90 kN and this will be an interim step by the makers till a higher thrust engine of 110 kN is finalised. The GE-414, set to power Tejas Mk-II, will power AMCA as well, till India develops a 110 kN engine possibly in collaboration with a foreign partner.
The current plan is to fly AMCA with GE-414 engine for the first six-seven years, what the designers now term as an ‘interim engine’ for India’s 5th-generation stealth platform.
While the design phase has already been sanctioned to commence activities, the final approval for AMCA from the government (Cabinet Committee on Security) is in process.
The plan is to build four prototypes and fly the first one before 2025, which is seven years from now.
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is said to be working out the exact numbers for this future fighter, while the AMCA Directorate at ADA is ensuring a robust foundation for this big-ticket desi project.
Model to test stealth
The feasibility study began in 2009 with an initial funding of Rs 90 crore. Last year about Rs 400 crore came in for the Detail Design Phase (DDP), which is expected to be completed in the next 3 years. Post that, the AMCA will get on to the crucial development phase, flight testing and eventually certification.
With India finally ejecting out of jointly making the FGFA (Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft) with Russia, there was a stalemate over AMCA for a while and now the flight path seemed to have cleared.
“This is for the first time ever in the country we are on a stealth design and the challenges are unique here. However, an advantage is we just have to concentrate on the fifth-gen technologies like stealth since we have already mastered all the 4th-gen technologies through LCA,” an official told.
A full-scale model (1:1) of AMCA is being manufactured by VEM Technologies for stealth measurements. DRDO is also displaying a scaled model of Advance Medium Combat Aircraft with audio-visual effects at Aero India 2019.
The 1:1 model will be taken to the Orange facility in Hyderabad or to Defence Laboratory, Jodhpur (DLJ), for testing the stealth features. DRDO’s Orange facility was opened in 2015 to test current and futuristic weapon systems under development.
The scientists need to measure stealth features on the modular model being developed by VEM Technologies. Modularity is provided so that new stealth technologies can be immediately incorporated and validated on the model. Orange can provide RCS (Radar Cross Section) measurements and the pylon system at the facility can lift payloads up to 35 tonnes.
“Earlier you used to make an aircraft and then check its stealth features. Now, from design stage itself stealth features are part of the optimisation. It was an afterthought earlier, but in a 5th-generational fighter, stealth gets priority,” the official said.
Scientists are hopeful of getting this 1:1 AMCA model ready for tests by the end of this year. Further optimisation of stealth features is underway. This is being done not only by scientists in DRDO and CSIR but also many academic institutions including IISc in Bengaluru and various IITs.
“Stealth and aerodynamics don’t go hand in hand so you have to guarantee some minimum performance and optimise for stealth,” the official said.
AMCA has been designed with MDO (multi-disciplinary optimisation) engineering route with stealth as an optimising parameter. (MDO brings in a number of engineering disciplines while finding solutions to complex problems.)
Loaded with features
Detailed R&D on materials, paints and structures are being undertaken by various labs now. Study is also underway on flight control, avionics, aerodynamics, composite structure and general systems like brakes, hydraulics and fuels systems.
“We hope to have the first flight of AMCA before 2025 with all the stealth features being established by then. With reduced IR (Infra Red), we are working on the super cruise abilities that give the aircraft capability to fly at supersonic speeds without the afterburner,” says the official.
Passive sensors, internal weapon bay, advanced integrated avionics, next-gen AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, 360-degree enhanced situation awareness, IVHM (Integrated Vehicle Monitoring System), serpentine air intake, IRST (Infra Red Search and Track), MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System) and Diverterless Supersonic Intake (DSI) are some of the features being claimed by Indian scientists that will make AMCA a powerful fighting machine.
Added features like SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) and DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) will also give more teeth to its BVR (Beyond Visual Range) characteristics.
“Parallel efforts to camouflage the aircraft to achieve visual and IR stealth will continue in the next few years,” adds the official.
As this Onmanorama Aero India 2019 special report jettisons into the web space, the AMCA backroom boys are initiating the Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) plans for AMCA.
India’s home-grown fighter programmes are on inspiring flightpath now with the scientists gaining confidence in converting dreams into reality at a relatively faster pace. The lessons from LCA will probably act as a ready-reckoner.
(The writer is an independent aerospace and defence journalist, who blogs at Tarmak007 and tweets @writetake.)
I hope this isn't from your pen.
And there is the usual overestimation again. No self reflection, no learning from mistakes, no progress.@Sancho @randomradio @Milspec @Parthu
ADA is Rechristening mk2 as "Medium Weight Figher" while this report saying AMCA to have an all up weight of 35ton. Are they making it a heavy fighter ?!
hopefully, @writetake made a mistake here!
ADA is Rechristening mk2 as "Medium Weight Figher" while this report saying AMCA to have an all up weight of 35ton. Are they making it a heavy fighter ?!
hopefully, @writetake made a mistake here!
Wait for AI to start and we hopefully get more details, either way, I am more interested in LCA FOC than these paper planes.
its going at full pace of venkatesh prasad/Javagal Srinath pace.. not brett lee or Mitchell starc
As per the article
"The scientists need to measure stealth features on the modular model being developed by VEM Technologies. Modularity is provided so that new stealth technologies can be immediately incorporated and validated on the model. Orange can provide RCS (Radar Cross Section) measurements and the pylon system at the facility can lift payloads up to 35 tonnes."
Nothing wrong with it. It's talking about the pylon at the RCS facility. It's a pillar that can lift weights up to 35T.
Wait a minute. A few days ago, you confirmed that we would be collaborating with Safran for the K10, use their core too, with or without or without the ToT & IPR. Now you're singing a different tune.
That tweet is very vague. Anyway, the decision for the definitive engine for AMCA is yet to be taken. It will be the product of whatever GTRE comes up with SAFRAN, but you can't dismiss its failure either. So they have kept the window open for cooperation on new engines with the British and Russians also, maybe even the Americans, including outright import of a next gen engine. The EJ2x0 is also high up on the list of candidates for AMCA alongside K10, K11 etc. What this also means is the French will not be able to hold our program hostage. If the Indo-French program fails, there will be alternatives.
The number with the letter K indicates the thrust level. K8 = 7-8T. K9 = 8-9T. K10 = 9-10T. Obviously K10 won't be enough to power the AMCA, which requires a K12 if you will, ie 11-12T. GTRE has plans for higher thrust engines as well.
The French are not helping us develop a definitive engine for AMCA, they are only helping us develop a working engine which may later be used on AMCA. Whether that engine will actually be used by ADA for AMCA will be decided by ADA at a later date, and it will have to compete with other foreign engines. GTRE is only a participant. Regardless of whether GTRE's dream of powering the LCA and AMCA with an Indian-designed engine succeeds, their engine will be used to power trains, tanks, ships etc.
This is a 10+ year program after all. The only engine confirmed for AMCA today is the F414. So I think the tweet is dismissing the Kaveri for the initial flight test.
I don't exactly blame him. He isn't mendacious. He's optimistic in a naively optimistic manner and loquacious about it too. It comes with the age. Then of course, slight shifting of goal posts, vague answers and resulting obfuscation is excused in the face of unrelenting optimism. He's also a budding stoic. Much more then most hardened veterans of forums here.Are you still surprised?
May I suggest Meditations by Marcus Aurelius @randomradio
That may temper your optimism a bit.