ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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I don't have an official refined infographic or static model yet. Possible locations & coverage sectors for DAS/MAWS:

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SENSOR FUSION
It came with 5gen jets helping pilot to focus on 1 picture of battle space, coming from multiple sensors as part of the jet or from wingman, other friendly jets, AWACS, satellite, ground asset, etc.

RWR was a standard among 4gen jets, but with analog wide sector indicators. I guess no jet had spherical sensor coverage & narrow direction indicator of incoming missile or enemy jet locked on to us.
Thereafter moresensors were added - RF/EW/ESM/IFF, IR/MAWS, LWR.
It became important even for MLUed 4.5gen jets to have spherical coverage & some degree of sensor fusion with digital display.

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Demo cockpit of AMCA has been shown at Aero-India expo. The static model has 1 wide primary MFD & 2nd MFD below it b/w legs.

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The actual inducted jet will have a sebsor fused view.
But this demo cockpit may not be showing it yet. In lower right coner we see RWR & stores display.
The main 4 bigger sections, from left to right -
- Digital gyroscope/attitude indicator
- Navigation display with map
- Radar/Attack display
- Multiple systems - Fuel, Hydraulics, Electrical, Nozzle position, Anti-ice, Engine RPM % bar,
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Another pic:
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The RWR has been enlarged on the right.
Navigation display remains at 2nd from left.
Radar/Attack display has been moved below to bottom row.
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Navigation & RWR displays
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2nd from left is navigation+map display.
Below it are RWR & Radar/Attack displays.
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AFAIK the 5gen jets F-22, F-35 & others too, do not care anymore about individual displays like RWR, IRST sweeping, radar sweeps & AESA beams, passive ESM finds, etc. All those things become provessing overhead for pilot & for display GPU, hence fused into 1 situation display.

As the AMCA project progresses, we hope to see better version of demo cockpits, more precise, showing sensor fused display.
 
It is very difficult to decipher some elements in the demo cockpit display. Those who play DCS, MSFS & other simulators might be able to guess better.

Top row:
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> AP - Auto Pilot
> AHLD - Altitude Hold?
> ASEL - Altitude Select?
> FD - Flight Director?
> L | G ?
> AT - Auto Thrust?

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> NAV - Navigation map/mode active?
> 0.35 206, 0.25 151 ?
> FUEL 2931, 2350 - remaining fuel.
> 027 degree ?
> 6090, 5080 - Altitude?
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> SPOO1?
> RT1, RT2?
> VOR - VHF Omni-directional Range?
> TAC - Tactical air navigation?
> IFF M3 - Interogate Friend or Foe frequency select?
> M?
> DISP - Display options?

> 50X TR?
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> 02 PKTS BULLS?
> 068 / 102 NM, 273 / X88 NM - may be navigation beacons bearing, distance.
> AMCA TAKE EASTERN PKT ??

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Multiple systems status

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> 2 circles at top corners with 52, 17 - could be nozzle position open %.
> A/ICE - Engine Anti-ice heating OFF / AUTO.
> Vertical white scale & green bar, range 1-10, AB (After Burner), value 82%, 88% - Engine RPM %.
> Vertical yellow scale & greenbar, range 2-10, value 610, 671 - could be engine temperature.
> Small vertical white cale & green bar, range 0-200, FF value 31, 83 - could be Fuel Flow.
> REMN 2931 - Remaining Fuel?
> INT 2350 - Internal Fuel?
> BINGO 400 - Bingo Fuel mark.
But INT should be total & REMN should be less than that, right?
> HYD1, HYD2 280 BAR - Hydraulic pressure.
> DC 28.0 V, AC 114 V - Electricity.
> OIL 6.6, 6.9 BAR - Engine oil pressure.
> LPL, LPR ON - LP no idea, but on Left & right are ON.
> BPL, BPR - BP no idea, but on left & right.
May be LP, BP are pumps.

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Navigation, Map display

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> LOC - Localizer?
> DCN? - Display Contrast?
> DCL? - Display Color?

> SCL? - Symbols Color?
> DAN?
> FD?
> FPI?
> OVR? - Overlay?

> OBL?
> Lower left corner, blue color : ETA 11:30:55 - Estimated Time of Arrival at waypoint?
> Lower center, blue color : EF with some number - no idea
> Lower right corner, 096/3.42 NM, 058/2.4 NM - Waypoint bearing/distance?
> Top right corner, 6100, 4550 - Altitude?
 
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As per some latest "online" rumours(take 'em with a pinch of salt), AMCA's MTOW may increase to 27 tons from earlier target of 25 tons. Now why the increase in MTOW is not clear. It could be that, they are looking to make its IWB slightly larger(to carry six internal BVRAAMs) or are increasing its internal fuel load??

Hopefully we get some light about the above, soon!
 
As per some latest "online" rumours(take 'em with a pinch of salt), AMCA's MTOW may increase to 27 tons from earlier target of 25 tons. Now why the increase in MTOW is not clear. It could be that, they are looking to make its IWB slightly larger(to carry six internal BVRAAMs) or are increasing its internal fuel load??

Hopefully we get some light about the above, soon!

six bvraams in IWB, this is definitely needed, we should be working on clipped astra variant which can fit inside IWB and also we should provide additional weapons points inside IWB for future CUDA type smaller AAMs.

Our older discussion on number of AAMs in IWB of F-35s and KFX-21
 
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The improvements/latest innovations in RAM paint for AMCA shall also greatly benefit all our 4+ gen fighter.
I hope this latest innovation in RAM paint is equal to one on B-21 Raider since according to @BMD B-21 Paint absorbs > 99.9% of the radar energy before the geometry even comes into play.

The paint absorbs >99.9% of the radar energy before the geometry even comes into play.
 
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I hope this latest innovation in RAM paint is equal to one on B-21 Raider since according to @BMD B-21 Paint absorbs > 99.9% of the radar energy before the geometry even comes into play.
If that's what Paddy's claiming ask him why's the USAF changed its strategy to send the B-21 into targeted areas of interest WITH an armed escort as opposed to no escorts earlier ?
 
I hope this latest innovation in RAM paint is equal to one on B-21 Raider since according to @BMD B-21 Paint absorbs > 99.9% of the radar energy before the geometry even comes into play.
We're not quite there yet, but getting very very close. DRDO and its other sister labs like NAL etc. are doing excellent research on all kinds of stealth materials, paints and even "active cancellation";);)
If that's what Paddy's claiming ask him why's the USAF changed its strategy to send the B-21 into targeted areas of interest WITH an armed escort as opposed to no escorts earlier ?
He is not wrong about B-21. It's has almost -70dBsm non-existent RCS in a wide range of frequencies(not just X Band). That should make it literally invisible to enemy radars. In fact, there are plans to make B-21 as a massive AAM carrier to support fighter-jet operations.

Of course, the claimed RCS figure is because of the combination of its shape plus stealth materials and not solely because of the latter.
 
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If that's what Paddy's claiming ask him why's the USAF changed its strategy to send the B-21 into targeted areas of interest WITH an armed escort as opposed to no escorts earlier ?

99.9% absorption means all of earth energy problems will be solved just make Solar panels out of this wonderful Paint...... This paint is probably the greatest human invention since wheel @BMD
 
We're not quite there yet, but getting very very close. DRDO and its other sister labs like NAL etc. are doing excellent research on all kinds of stealth materials, paints and even "active cancellation";);)


He is not wrong about B-21. It's has almost -70dBsm non-existent RCS in a wide range of frequencies(not just X Band). That should make it literally invisible to enemy radars. In fact, there are plans to make B-21 as a massive AAM carrier to support fighter-jet operations.

Of course, the claimed RCS figure is because of the combination of its shape plus stealth materials and not solely because of the latter.
He's not wrong about anything & he's rarely right about anything ,yet in spite of his tall claims the USAF policy is exactly how I put it out in my previous post. Maybe that ought to be explained before we move on to other topics.
 
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99.9% absorption means all of earth energy problems will be solved just make Solar panels out of this wonderful Paint...... This paint is probably the greatest human invention since wheel @BMD
He's learnt physics at an Irish University. They tend to do ground breaking work there . They think centuries into the future which is the reason humans like you can't relate to it. The fault quite obviously lies in you .
 
99.9% absorption means all of earth energy problems will be solved just make Solar panels out of this wonderful Paint...... This paint is probably the greatest human invention since wheel @BMD

He's learnt physics at an Irish University. They tend to do ground breaking work there . They think centuries into the future which is the reason humans like you can't relate to it. The fault quite obviously lies in you .
While I myself am no great fan of @BMD and our views greatly differ on Russia vs Ukraine, but he is not wrong here. While there could be some exaggeration, yet there are RAM paints/laminates etc. that can absorb 99% RF waves(especially in most vital X band).

In fact, even India has developed such a stealth RAL(Radar Absorbing Laminate) that can absorb between 80-99% RF waves in X Band(8-12GHz). Yes, gentleman 99%. Just imagine the RCS reduction if we apply such a RAL/RAM to our 4th gen fighters.

PS: Before @RASALGHUL or @Hydra ask for proof, here it is:

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While I myself am no great fan of @BMD and our views greatly differ on Russia vs Ukraine, but he is not wrong here. While there could be some exaggeration, yet there are RAM paints/laminates etc. that can absorb 99% RF waves(especially in most vital X band).

In fact, even India has developed such a stealth RAL(Radar Absorbing Laminate) that can absorb between 80-99% RF waves in X Band(8-12GHz). Yes, gentleman 99%. Just imagine the RCS reduction if we apply such a RAL/RAM to our 4th gen fighters.

PS: Before @RASALGHUL or @Hydra ask for proof, here it is:

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Only 10dB RCS reduction