Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

India has a better track record of disclosures than Pakistan.. But, it is not comparable to countries in the west... The Henderson Brooks-bhagat report on 1962 war is still classified.. In the name of national interests... India tries and hides a lot too.. On the casualties part, yes, India does not hide it's own casualties.. But, Balakot strike was about casualties on the Pakistani side, and India officially claimed to have killed "a very large number of terrorists" without providing any proof.. (Between Modi had everything to gain in 2019 elections.. so he had a personal stake in the strikes ).. Its simple , If GOI doesn't want to provide proof officially (not via unaccountable leaks to preferred journalists), then, India shouldn't say "very large number of terrorists" were killed in Balakot..
US released Baghdadi strike video, Turkey, Israel regularly release videos, as soon as strikes are carried out.. But, as far as IAF is concerned, it's not necessary, I guess because, Indian public is not as demanding and is satisfied by IAF's / GOI's word..
America said they have killed OBL and dumped his body in the sea , whole world believed full stop.
 
America said they have killed OBL and dumped his body in the sea , whole world believed full stop.
Al Qaeda itself acknowledged Osama's death. Osama raid was a commando raid with no airstrikes. And US did release videos of airstrikes during the Baghdadi raid.
 
Yet no picture of OBL or Baghdadi
And what do we have for Balakot ? No acknowledgement from terror group or Pakistan Army that anybody died.. No video of hit.. And no satellite pics... India is on shakier ground on Balakot strike, than US was on OBL Raid, or Baghdadi strike. If you don't think so, then I have nothing more to say..
 
And what do we have for Balakot ? No acknowledgement from terror group or Pakistan Army that anybody died.. No video of hit.. And no satellite pics... India is on shakier ground on Balakot strike, than US was on OBL Raid, or Baghdadi strike. If you don't think so, then I have nothing more to say..
You can see everything if you keep your eyes open. Who can make an intentionally blind person see the truth? I wish to remind you of the videos which surfaced just after Balakot in which the terrorist leaders were openly stating the loss of life in the Balakot strikes and asking for new recruits.
 
You can see everything if you keep your eyes open. Who can make an intentionally blind person see the truth? I wish to remind you of the videos which surfaced just after Balakot in which the terrorist leaders were openly stating the loss of life in the Balakot strikes and asking for new recruits.
Not to mention Masood Azhar being missing, then untraceable in Feb during the FATF plenary, and now reported to being moved to some Pindi Channa safe house....

Besides, this f-16 crash seems to be an attempt to account for the 2/27 loss.
 
Bechara IAF crashes Mig-21s, it takes the legendary PAF to crash an F-16!!! ANd *censored* the pig couldn't even eject! LOL

Not now after 1-2 months again:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Dude dead deserve some respect even if he is enemy.. Or even if his own country doesn't recognize it.

Pilot name itself is kept secret. Some hoped ejection had taken place...

Will wait for details.
 
Bechara IAF crashes Mig-21s, it takes the legendary PAF to crash an F-16!!! ANd *censored* the pig couldn't even eject! LOL

Not now after 1-2 months again:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
I saw the video of F-16 crash today. It appears to me that the guy was doing a hard turn at over 6G and he maintained the same G after rolling out from turn and going in for the loop. A low level loop is normally done at 4-4.5G as this allows sufficient additional G force available to recover faster in case the height is misjudged. Moreover the initial lower G for loop allows for a higher altitude to be reached compared to height needed to recover. In this case, his higher initial G for loop resulted in lesser altitude gain and higher loss of speed at top of the loop. This needed more altitude to rebuild the speed and also much higher G force to recover as can be seen in the video that the aircraft had a near vertical dive for a much longer duration then what is normally needed for a loop. Something very similar had happened in Delhi with a M2K flown by Late Wg. cdr Bakshi. That M2K crashed in full view of spectators.
 
Dude dead deserve some respect even if he is enemy.. Or even if his own country doesn't recognize it.

Pilot name itself is kept secret. Some hoped ejection had taken place...

Will wait for details.
1. The pilot's name is WC Noman Akram and it's all over Pak media.
2. I would have respected the dead if their country respected their martyrs. If you are not respected in your own home, people will rarely respect you outside!
I saw the video of F-16 crash today. It appears to me that the guy was doing a hard turn at over 6G and he maintained the same G after rolling out from turn and going in for the loop. A low level loop is normally done at 4-4.5G as this allows sufficient additional G force available to recover faster in case the height is misjudged. Moreover the initial lower G for loop allows for a higher altitude to be reached compared to height needed to recover. In this case, his higher initial G for loop resulted in lesser altitude gain and higher loss of speed at top of the loop. This needed more altitude to rebuild the speed and also much higher G force to recover as can be seen in the video that the aircraft had a near vertical dive for a much longer duration then what is normally needed for a loop. Something very similar had happened in Delhi with a M2K flown by Late Wg. cdr Bakshi. That M2K crashed in full view of spectators.
Did WC Bakshi survive?
 
The IAF showed high resolution satellite images to some unbiased journalists. These include Shiv Aroor, Snehesh Alex Philip, Vishnu Som and others!
I don't think if IAF missed the target and NDTV failed to report it because Vishnu Som is from NDTV.


The fact of the matter is no one remembers those tiny holes on the roof of camp, but the way that bloodied face of an Indian pilot was peddled over internet, whatsapp and satellite TV people will remember that.

People will also remember that how he was sent back as a peace gesture.

This was very uncool from Indian government. I don't know whether you have lived abroad or not. But world does not really care whether India is better or Pakistan. The people outside India knows we are of the same category.

Indians don't have exposure to a lot of things. This is the reason, India has to show might. Since 14 years I have been hearing about showing might, but don't know where is that might.

In short words, we Indians are good in making plans but lack in executing them. Pakistan makes plan and executes without wasting time.

Loses happen in war. POWs are not new things. And more migs we have lost in peace time than war.

If you take out a data, more pilots have died in accidents in India than in actual war. What's the use of having peace with Pakistan then? Economically also it doesn't suit India.

itni baat samjhne ke liye koi rocket science ki avashyakta nahi hai
 
1. The pilot's name is WC Noman Akram and it's all over Pak media.
2. I would have respected the dead if their country respected their martyrs. If you are not respected in your own home, people will rarely respect you outside!

Did WC Bakshi survive?
He died in the crash. He was suppoded to do two turn vertical roll and since he had height with him, he decided to go for third vertical roll. He lost lot of height in that and the FBW prevented him from exceeding 9G. It was calaculated that if he had pulled 9.5G, which the aircraft could have easily done being in clean configuration, he would have recovered and survived. It is for this reason that Rafale has over ride of 11G with an operational limit of 9G in clean configuration. You will never see Rafale do 11G with stores of anykind attached to it.
 
And what do we have for Balakot ? No acknowledgement from terror group or Pakistan Army that anybody died.. No video of hit.. And no satellite pics... India is on shakier ground on Balakot strike, than US was on OBL Raid, or Baghdadi strike. If you don't think so, then I have nothing more to say..
1) Pakistan acknowledging that their air defences were useless and IAF was able to bomb inside international border of Pakistan
2) Pakistan accepting that bombing inside Pakistan (not over LOC - but inside international border) does not mean declaration of war
3) Pakistan accepting that Iran, afghanistan, and India - all its neighbors can freely attack inside Pakistan (Iran does it regularly, US airforces do through afg)
4) Pakistan attempting to do the same back to India resulted in another air soveirgnity violation of Pakistan by India (Mig 21 was shot within Pak side - while when Indian forces went in to bomb the first time, there was no challenge from the other side).

even if we - for time being - think that no bombing of High value targets happened in Balakot, it still proves the utter supremacy of IAF over PAF.

IAF was able to go bomb Pak with no resustance from pak
PAF came to respond but got retaliated and IAF took the fight back to Pak air space
Pak taken by surprise that an air bombing can now happen if there is any attack in India

and the biggest:
Pak's nuclear bluff blowd naked in front of the world (pak keeps saying that is we attack POK - we will obliterate India with Nuclear bombs, we ll India went one step more and bombed within Pak international border)
 
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Can any one analyze if the pilot who died today in the F-16 crash Ismbd was actually the cover up for 'doosra banda' Please analyze the video if the guy already ejected ? Or The pilot is some one else. I don't want to sound it as conspiracy, but you can't trust Pakistanis.

The guy in middle and on right were part of swift retort and I doubt the guy on left was also a part of swift retort. And it was his F16 shot by Mig21

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