Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[DivineHeretic]

Kindly for balakot,read cnn,BBC,Nathan ruser satellite pictures.i mean everything is available online. This discussion is already over. I don't want to persuade you that we have done a great job as well. Go and read articles. Sometimes I read independent sources. You should also read about this topic.

Pak fanboys dont understand just how big a strategic gamble PAF has taken with the 27th Feb strikes. Faced with the insistent pressure for retaliation from PA brass against a much superior AF, PAF basically emptied out its strategic inventory to execute a tactical strike. PAF exposed its entire tier 1 ELINT, SIGINT, ECM, ECCM, COMJAM systems to IAF/NTRO/ARC/IA-SIGINT snooping assets. Understand this, PAF has spent something close to 25 years and several billions of $$ to slowly build up these assets. They were meant to establish strategic surprise in a short war. By committing all of it to one isolated engagement as against a limited war scenario as originally planned, PAF has lost the ability to execute a strategic level surprise with these equipment. We have spent the previous year analysing and developing countermeasures to the digital signatures of these assets. In time all ECCM asets will carry within its library the digital signatures of these equipments. Their ability to inflict strategic shock on IAF is gone.

We estimate it will take a minimum of 3-4 years for the cheaper of the systems to be replaced, and upto 10 years for the more complex, expensive of the equipment to be replaced. PAF specialists have already been observed in South Africa, Sweden, France, Germany, Ukraine & China scouring for such equipment. PAF & probably PA is gambling that such a situation will not develop again before PAF can replenish their strategic inventory.

If you were of a critical mind, you would be able to put 2 and 2 together and be able to explain IK's repeated panic attacks, PA's general fear to escalate and the lack of a major terror attack over the past year. But of course that;s not going to happen.

 

[Tatvamasi]

Kindly for balakot,read cnn,BBC,Nathan ruser satellite pictures.i mean everything is available online. This discussion is already over. I don't want to persuade you that we have done a great job as well. Go and read articles. Sometimes I read independent sources. You should also read about this topic.

Do you have some learning disability ? Where did i try to convince you. I was answering your question. Give a coherent reply or just shut up.

 

[Hydra]

Kindly for balakot,read cnn,BBC,Nathan ruser satellite pictures.i mean everything is available online. This discussion is already over. I don't want to persuade you that we have done a great job as well. Go and read articles. Sometimes I read independent sources. You should also read about this topic.

What they are telling? Probably theybare yelling that IAF has Missed the target? But idont think that they didn't denied the factbthat IAF has entered in to PAF play ground way beyond POK, inside pakistani geographic boundary. But yeah, they keep mum on the PA action of not allowing a single visitor go nearer to the buildings for a month.

 

[m_itsme]

What they are telling? Probably theybare yelling that IAF has Missed the target? But idont think that they didn't denied the factbthat IAF has entered in to PAF play ground way beyond POK, inside pakistani geographic boundary. But yeah, they keep mum on the PA action of not allowing a single visitor go nearer to the buildings for a month.

And the fact that IAF fired 5 SOWs at 3 targets. While the apparent bomb craters were only 3. The SAR imagery will be declassified in the future for all of to see, just like how they declassified the surgical strike drone and helmet cam footage.

 

[Hydra]

And the fact that IAF fired 5 SOWs at 3 targets. While the apparent bomb craters were only 3. The SAR imagery will be declassified in the future for all of to see, just like how they declassified the surgical strike drone and helmet cam footage.

Wether we hit the target or not the message is clear, all operations need not to be successful. But the point is that we will use our capability to hit pakistan deep inside, that message has given.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

“I thought that was it for the evening, but word soon came that Shanahan (Patrick Shanahan, then Acting Secretary of Defense) and Dunford (Joe Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) wanted to talk to (Mike) Pompeo (US Secretary of State) and me about a ballooning crisis between India and Pakistan,” Bolton writes.

“After hours of phone calls, the crisis passed, perhaps because, in substance, there never really had been one,” he stresses.
“But when two nuclear powers spin up their military capabilities, it is best not to ignore it. No one else cared at the time, but the point was clear to me: This was what happened when people didn’t take nuclear proliferation from the likes of Iran and North Korea seriously,” he says.

India-Pakistan Balakot tensions were never really a crisis 'in substance': Ex-US NSA Bolton

John Bolton’s memoir ‘The Room Where It Happened’, which releases Tuesday, recounts incidents of 26 February 2019, when President Trump was in Vietnam to meet Kim Jong-un.

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How seriously US took India Pakistan conflict, compare it with Indian Pakistani media and public, shows lack of substance and full propaganda.

 

[Ashwin]

How seriously US took India Pakistan conflict, compare it with Indian Pakistani media and public, shows lack of substance and full propaganda.

What are you saying? The US should take our conflict more seriously than us?

Compared to other 2001 or 2008, This was a very limited confrontation. And under this administration, the US is a retreating power.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

What are you saying? The US should take our conflict more seriously than us?

Compared to other 2001 or 2008, This was a very limited confrontation. And under this administration, the US is a retreating power.

Na, just pointing out how US has stopped bothering, this was more serious than 2008 Mumbai attacks, at least military wise. We are told it was almost an invasion, Pakistan too was threatening missile attacks, phones were ringing and whole world was begging Modiji to stand down and they will make Pakistan behave.

When you compare reaction of US between two events the difference is significant but our propaganda channels (not just media but 'analysts' too) make us believe we have this secret deal, that secret deal and when it comes to it US will capture Pakistani nuclear weapons with us.

However reality is this, they don't even bother and here we fool entire generation that they will go to war with us.

 

[Arsalan123]

Pak fanboys dont understand just how big a strategic gamble PAF has taken with the 27th Feb strikes. Faced with the insistent pressure for retaliation from PA brass against a much superior AF, PAF basically emptied out its strategic inventory to execute a tactical strike. PAF exposed its entire tier 1 ELINT, SIGINT, ECM, ECCM, COMJAM systems to IAF/NTRO/ARC/IA-SIGINT snooping assets. Understand this, PAF has spent something close to 25 years and several billions of $$ to slowly build up these assets. They were meant to establish strategic surprise in a short war. By committing all of it to one isolated engagement as against a limited war scenario as originally planned, PAF has lost the ability to execute a strategic level surprise with these equipment. We have spent the previous year analysing and developing countermeasures to the digital signatures of these assets. In time all ECCM asets will carry within its library the digital signatures of these equipments. Their ability to inflict strategic shock on IAF is gone.

We estimate it will take a minimum of 3-4 years for the cheaper of the systems to be replaced, and upto 10 years for the more complex, expensive of the equipment to be replaced. PAF specialists have already been observed in South Africa, Sweden, France, Germany, Ukraine & China scouring for such equipment. PAF & probably PA is gambling that such a situation will not develop again before PAF can replenish their strategic inventory.

If you were of a critical mind, you would be able to put 2 and 2 together and be able to explain IK's repeated panic attacks, PA's general fear to escalate and the lack of a major terror attack over the past year. But of course that;s not going to happen.

They are just few tactics,not everything.pakistan has lots of other things as well specially related to communication jamming. We also use few Chinese systems which aren't even public.obviously we aren't fools to reveal everything. Just think about Feb 27 and aggressive iaf but with no action. There are reasons of no iaf action after feb27.

 

[rockstarIN]

They are just few tactics,not everything.pakistan has lots of other things as well specially related to communication jamming. We also use few Chinese systems which aren't even public.obviously we aren't fools to reveal everything. Just think about Feb 27 and aggressive iaf but with no action. There are reasons of no iaf action after feb27.

There is already chatter in PAF circles regarding too much of usage for a simple tactical fight. And as per IAF chief, the operation is still ongoing since last year. You should know that by PAF's hectic CAPS.

 

[safriz]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.

The 12th one is what PAF shot down.

 

[Deathstar]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.
View attachment 16544

The 12th one is what PAF shot down.

Congratulations.......

 

[_Anonymous_]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.
View attachment 16544

The 12th one is what PAF shot down.

Seems to be your Eureka moment.Just don't do what Archimedes did following the Eureka moment.

 

[Ashwin]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.
View attachment 16544

The 12th one is what PAF shot down.

What a logic. Let me back you up.

In the last 3-4 years,

Pakistan purchased 16 used F-16s from Jordan. Hance proved, In a small fleet of ~70, 16 was lost thus these are replacement.

Pakistan purchased 36 antique Mirage-V from Egypt. Hance proved, In a fleet of ~110, 36 was lost thus these are replacements.

12 is the per year production rate of HAL, They are extending it one more year.

 

[safriz]

Congratulations.......

Shukriya hazoor

 

[screambowl]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.

Well India will always run to Ruskies, and US jets fanboys are sad today because India bought the fulcrum and flanker . I knew it that it's tough for India to go for fancy American fighters. This is what I am talking about . In the end you can frankly tell Russians we need this urgently and they will give you. They understand the Indian armed forces very well.

 

[Arsalan123]

There is already chatter in PAF circles regarding too much of usage for a simple tactical fight. And as per IAF chief, the operation is still ongoing since last year. You should know that by PAF's hectic CAPS.

Oh come on man, I don't trust fake news.i remember iaf chief words. Such operations require intelligence gathering first.all in all, air battles or strike from air on a particular target is an escalation and everyone knows that. It's not easy.it looks easy. Pakistan only revealed small portion,not everything.obviously they know what they are doing. I don't know about any operation other than balakot. Drop bombs and leave enemy territory is not difficult but air battle is very difficult.iaf don't want to attack.right now,they have changed everything even data links but are they sure? It requires lots of courage and intelligence.

 

[randomradio]

Indian Air Force plans to buy 33 fighter jets from Russia

India is planning to purchase 21 MiG 29 fighter jets and 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia amid ongoing border tensions with China.

www.airforce-technology.com

India buying 12 SU-30MKI to replace the lost fleet.
However India only lost 11 MKI in accidents.
View attachment 16544

The 12th one is what PAF shot down.

You didn't count it properly.

One of our earlier deals for 42 includes 2 as attrition replacements. And we also have some hints saying not all the MKI crashes were total losses. We don't know if 1 or 2 were recovered and rebuilt, or in the process of being rebuilt. So that's 14 replacements in total for 9-11 losses. That leaves 3-5 jets to cater for future losses.

And HAL is getting an order of 12 so they have something to do before the line is replaced with something else. Perhaps an expansion of the Su-30's overhaul facilities, or an LCA/MWF assembly facility.

 

[rockstarIN]

Oh come on man, I don't trust fake news.i remember iaf chief words. Such operations require intelligence gathering first.all in all, air battles or strike from air on a particular target is an escalation and everyone knows that. It's not easy.it looks easy. Pakistan only revealed small portion,not everything.obviously they know what they are doing. I don't know about any operation other than balakot. Drop bombs and leave enemy territory is not difficult but air battle is very difficult.iaf don't want to attack.right now,they have changed everything even data links but are they sure? It requires lots of courage and intelligence.

Typical Pakistani denial post with no substance. Hope, all of you have same way of thinking.

 

[Aurora]

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