Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

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STEPHEN COHEN said:
You Pakistanis Are the Worst Scum of the earth

You can make all sorts of fake images to take that False Credit

Let me tell you very clearly

In our Country if the Govt was proved to have lied about Su 30 loss , Then even PM MODI will have to Resign

We are NOT like you people
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You should take a screenshot of your words. They are powerful words. We believe in our capability and we are sure that we at least hit that plane.
 
Saaho said:
Who said "bad"? And what is "bad"?


That depends on way too many things. For instance, maturity and responsibility of own MIC and maturity of MIC ready to export you the weapons.

Consider Pakistan and India : Pakistan has till very recently always depended upon American and European weapon systems. And they worked very well for them. PAF has always fielded better platform and weapons than financially stronger IAF. Rafael will be the first platform to really challenge their F-16s. PA's rifles work and their magazines did not crack due to cold weather unlike IA. There are too many such examples.

Coming back to China, where they get their weapons from? From companies who don't have to face any competition at home. Have an assured support of CPC. Or Russia.

Now tell me, why should their weapons and platforms not doubted.
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Saaho I agree that Chinese weapons aren't tested in battlefield but let me tell you they aren't far away in terms of technology. Lots of research is going on in China related to new missiles and engines. We must accept that they are capable and should see Chinese army or airforce as a threat. Their weapons are better quality. It's not same old China anymore. Pakistan has tested many Chinese weapons.do you know that they have detected f-22s from their new radars? They are now brilliant.
 
drunken-monk said:
Arslan, that data got removed because claim is unverified. I have seen you offering burnol to Indian forum member on other (so called) defense forum called drunk defense forum (PEE DEE EFF). Your overjoyed posts are not substantiated by suitable proofs.. So chill.. And if removal of that Su 30 kill claim from f-16.net made you bottom on fire, you can apply same burnol to sooth it..
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Bro seriously I don't mind. Problem is now you have two different sources.obviously f-16.net source is now removed but it clearly said verified. It sums up everything. Yes Russians enjoyed feb27 that's why rafale is flying in india.
 
Arsalan123 said:
It doesn't matter now. It was there and it said verified. It's better for India to allow a third party to count their su-30s. Now two different sources claimed same thing. It's time to accept.
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I usually do not engage in these discussion of "Burnol". But since this is a Monday morning and I feel suicidal on mondays, so..... Here is the quote from Airforce Monthly April 2020, which is what was quoted in F-16.net...

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I have the issue, I don't know if I can post the entire article in full due to copy right. But this is where the entire hoopla comes from. The article was simply quoting Tufail which some over-zealous folks from Pakistan took as a confirmation from the magazine. It never was. The magazine says this "Confirmation, however, remains moot".

Incase, you don't know : Moot means "too uncertain to decide".
 
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Bro seriously I don't mind. Problem is now you have two different sources.obviously f-16.net source is now removed but it clearly said verified. It sums up everything. Yes Russians enjoyed feb27 that's why rafale is flying in india.
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Nope. The so called "verification on f-16.net" came from misunderstanding of Airforce Monthly article of April 2020.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Saaho I agree that Chinese weapons aren't tested in battlefield but let me tell you they aren't far away in terms of technology. Lots of research is going on in China related to new missiles and engines. We must accept that they are capable and should see Chinese army or airforce as a threat. Their weapons are better quality. It's not same old China anymore. Pakistan has tested many Chinese weapons.do you know that they have detected f-22s from their new radars? They are now brilliant.
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When it comes to technologies * Ahem *, I know a thing or two. Invented a few myself, probably used in your laptop or mobile most likely right now. Lemme be blunt. Technologies are oversold. Day in and Day out. In the battle field you don't need technologies. You need a weapon that works. China has doubtful ones at best.

US and its allies and EU have weapons that work. They test them out often in real war. Its no wonder that Pakistan prefers US weapons. They work. Usually.
 
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Saaho said:
I usually do not engage in these discussion of "Burnol". But since this is a Monday morning and I feel suicidal on mondays, so..... Here is the quote from Airforce Monthly April 2020, which is what was quoted in F-16.net...

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I have the issue, I don't know if I can post the entire article in full due to copy right. But this is where the entire hoopla comes from. The article was simply quoting Tufail which some over-zealous folks from Pakistan took as a confirmation from the magazine. It never was. The magazine says this "Confirmation, however, remains moot".

Incase, you don't know : Moot means "too uncertain to decide".
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Actual order was for 11 su-30s, 12 su-30s ordered. Just ask third party to count su-30s. Remember after feb27, an unfortunate accident happened in which two su-30 pilots lost their lives. I mean all this is too much. I don't have time to fight with you. Everything is there on Google. Also Kaiser toufel said moot but he doesn't say that it didn't hit. It was fired,basically many amraams were fired. Two amraams fired on mig-21 as well. Everything is available. I believe we are right but obviously you need evidence.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Actual order was for 11 su-30s, 12 su-30s ordered. Just ask third party to count su-30s. Remember after feb27, an unfortunate accident happened in which two su-30 pilots lost their lives. I mean all this is too much. I don't have time to fight with you. Everything is there on Google. Also Kaiser toufel said moot but he doesn't say that it didn't hit. It was fired,basically many amraams were fired. Two amraams fired on mig-21 as well. Everything is available. I believe we are right but obviously you need evidence.
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The difference between "Confirmed kill" and "suspected kill" is massive. BTW, folks who lost lives were lost it in a road accident, many many weeks later. The accident was from April 2019.

One was a squadron leader and another corporal. I don't know if corporal are considered pilots in IAF. @vstol Jockey

Last I checked corporals are NCO. Now if you are telling me that NCOs fly Su-30s in India then IAF is in worse state than what I have thought.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Pulwama: 2 IAF personnel killed in road 'accident' outside Awantipora base | India News - Times of India

India News: "Four IAF personnel met an accident this morning at Malngpora in Awantipora. Two of the injured personnel succumbed to injuries," the official said, w
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Arsalan123 said:
Actual order was for 11 su-30s, 12 su-30s ordered.
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Which order are you talking about?

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Just ask third party to count su-30s.
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The purpose of 3rd Party Counting is somewhat of a irrelevance in India. US does that counting to enforce her end user agreements. Russia does not have such restrictions. So.... India does not need to do so. Hence, there will never be such count.
 
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TARGET said:
Feb 27 discussion in SU 30 thread ...nice, ISPR still paying for trolls :unsure:
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Pakistanis engage in all kinds of hyperbole and conspiracy theories while I posted article of print "8 pieces of clinching evidence that show how IAF's Abhinandan shot down a Pakistani F-16" on PDF and I got instant perma ban. Forget ban, thread was deleted altogether as Indian propaganda. No one took the effort to debunk article factually, even till today, because they are scared. How difficult it can be to calculate 12th standard maths based on pics, videos and Google maps? Didn't you learn sine, cosine and tangent in school?

Even one error pointed out in mathematics or pics superimposed on Google maps would have shaken credibility of the print, but they skipped it like an ostrich. PDF is madrassa now and mods are maulanas handing out fatwas to kaffirs.


But talking about 2 dead IAF men and 12 su30 order is easy and within intellectual ability of Abduls.
 
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Ahem.

We thank you for bringing the 'colourful' forum in this thread.

Honestly, we do not care what people on the colourful forum think. Stick to points based on provable facts and statements by..... cough cough......DG-ISPR. #DoosraBanda.

Anyways, continue the discussion but avoid the points of view from there. If any of them wishes to come and debate here, they are more than welcome.

But the fact, that they do not and then banned most Indian forum members goes beyond the need to explain what is happening.

Cheers.
 
Arsalan123 said:
You should take a screenshot of your words. They are powerful words. We believe in our capability and we are sure that we at least hit that plane.
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Sure, look up your ISPR's press releases during Kargil. Given the track record, Even your COAS doesn't believe what ISPR says.
 
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Actual order was for 11 su-30s, 12 su-30s ordered. Just ask third party to count su-30s. Remember after feb27, an unfortunate accident happened in which two su-30 pilots lost their lives. I mean all this is too much. I don't have time to fight with you. Everything is there on Google. Also Kaiser toufel said moot but he doesn't say that it didn't hit. It was fired,basically many amraams were fired. Two amraams fired on mig-21 as well. Everything is available. I believe we are right but obviously you need evidence.
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THe amount of ghazi delusions. Jenaab no su 30 mki was shot and abhinandan shot down an f 16 and we also killed 300 in balakot. Register that in your ghazi brain.
 
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this is the first time am hearing aim120c5 have detonation ping back using data link, am sure it was there for c7 on wards also if they saying correct they have to consider 2 thing, su30mki very big plane and 2 engines it crash would create enough smoke and fire to notice by any ir spy sats or Chinese spy sat, consider this as Pakistanis trying their best to make a lie in to history,they know the truth winch will come out one day, it is impossible to cover up any mki shoot down becoz of its derbies will be splatters all over place and these things easily identifiable by visual clues in sat photos
 
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this is the first time am hearing aim120c5 have detonation ping back using data link
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Actually I noticed that part as well. But I refrained from talking about it because I didn't know if it is the FCR which CAN observed such an event or the missile itself is responsible for the same. F-16 - AMRAAM 120 - c - 5 datalink is surely not bidirectional.
 
rone said:
this is the first time am hearing aim120c5 have detonation ping back using data link, am sure it was there for c7 on wards also if they saying correct they have to consider 2 thing, su30mki very big plane and 2 engines it crash would create enough smoke and fire to notice by any ir spy sats or Chinese spy sat, consider this as Pakistanis trying their best to make a lie in to history,they know the truth winch will come out one day, it is impossible to cover up any mki shoot down becoz of its derbies will be splatters all over place and these things easily identifiable by visual clues in sat photos
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It hit a Chaff Cloud

 
rockstarIN said:
Take a screen shot of this, Nishan E Haider for your dead pilot after 10 years (given kargil timeline for Lalak Jan & karnal Khan)
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No , they will give his family a few crores and Delete All Records of the pilot's existence

Only a Book written by some Guy in future can tell the Truth

US CIA must be knowing the identity of
Doosra Banda and they might have
even shared it with us but with a condition to keep quiet

We should try to kidnap Gafoora after he retires :ROFLMAO:
 
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