Arihant-class SSBN - News & Discussions

This means the chances of S4* repeat are now very slim.
S5 will have a separate production line. These sub-systems deliveries happening right now is for setting up tooling, jigs & fixtures for the S5 production line.

Whether we get another Arihant class sub or not depends on how quickly the SSN project takes off. Arihant class sub's production line will probably get repurposed/upgraded for the SSN project. If there is a gap in time (say 3-5 years) between S4* completion & SSN project taking off, then maybe we will get another Arihant class.
 
S5 will have a separate production line. These sub-systems deliveries happening right now is for setting up tooling, jigs & fixtures for the S5 production line.

Whether we get another Arihant class sub or not depends on how quickly the SSN project takes off. Arihant class sub's production line will probably get repurposed/upgraded for the SSN project. If there is a gap in time (say 3-5 years) between S4* completion & SSN project taking off, then maybe we will get another Arihant class.
It's strange that people still believe we have only 3 nuclear built till now.

There are at least 3 nuclear boats visible in vizag at any given time since last few years. We do know that at least 1 of them is always on patrol. 6 years training technicalities are just hogwash for S3 and 5 years for S4.

If that's the case then what submarine support vessel was observed doing at Ramibali?

Why is a HSL covered dock, being used to house nuclear submarines, getting drained when all 3 boats are visible docked in other dockings?

There're lots of clues. One just need to be observent enough to notice.
 
This means the chances of S4* repeat are now very slim.
Frankly the S4 batch itself along with the other 2 are ok for Pak centric approach, like swinging between ssgn/ssbn role. But S5 onward ie a sub capable of firing the big upcoming one is the true ssbn in the sense. This batch should be the priority.

Only the true big powers can field such a capability, and there should be no compromise on it, be it short term, or immediate planning, or futuristic system wise. If they are serious, this SSBN is one and only asset where they should not compromise wrt size, mk1 mk2 mkxx like gradual step up etc. Absolute go on and build it, no intermediate step like repeat smaller IAC ordering, operationalise the missile. That is hard deterrence. Just my thoughts.
 
If the latest NOTAM for 27-30th Nov is indeed for the 1st test of K5, S5 is likely being fast tracked.

The initial tests of the new missile will likely be from a pontoon so it could be a while before we see the first glimpse of our Gen 2 SSBN.
 
This means the chances of S4* repeat are now very slim.
It also means it's a Good News...
It means we are building & will soon get S5 with 12 launch tubes to launch K6 missiles instead of S4" with 8 launch tubes for K5 missiles. It's a significant upgrade in India's nuclear weapons power projection....😍😍
 
If the latest NOTAM for 27-30th Nov is indeed for the 1st test of K5, S5 is likely being fast tracked.

The initial tests of the new missile will likely be from a pontoon so it could be a while before we see the first glimpse of our Gen 2 SSBN.
Nobody gets the timelines of Indian SSBN program accurately and everybody has fallen behind at least 2-4 years behind. What not to say that S5 is not already in advanced stage or construction?😉

It's not to become hyper, just a small fact check for everybody. Doesn't mean it happened but then it doesn't mean it didn't happen as well! Better not to say too much. Old folks know that already.😶🙊
 
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What we know about K5 and K6 as of now?
This is just my assumption based on info available over the years and more often than not i am mistaken, so do not take it literally or even true.

If we take the VK Saraswat sir shown slides of A5-A6 and the SLBM as a starting point (as a futuristic system in long term plan) there was absolute no mention of many versions in the SLBM part. It was just one technical outline with involved additional tech like crmc, aerospike, possible mirv etc.

So if we consider A5 and A6 (aka A5 mk2) to be our first in class true long range system beyond IRBM class sub 5k km and the gradual improvement which is very noticeable, this development can only occur if we successfully make higher dia rocket motors that are very powerful. This goes step by step, A3 gets proven, then A5 then A5 mk2 all with a 2 meter dia rocket motor, initially maraging steel made then crmc made. So it is natural to assume the naval slbm version would be A5 navalised, but it turns out k5 has 2.4-2.5m dia crmc.

This is where the slide is important, while it showed the enabling tech involved, it never revealed the rocket motor dia. So K5 can be A5 made compact with higher dia crmc or prove this 2.5m dia class motor itself and build another missile (VEDA) around it. Both are possible. Given the incremental upgrades, the next variant K6 can be either the mk2 of K5 (which you need to prove first) or another incremental upgrade with maybe a bigger dia rocket like 3 meter class. So far there is nothing on K6 while prospect of K5 itself is massive, bigger than anything we have so far.

This is where the feasibility part is important, just because we can , should drdo navalise all of A1-A5 ? it makes no sense, right? yet if we claim to have a triad of nuke delivery platform for second strike and that ability should be for all class of missiles like MRBM IRBM ICBM all, K15 and K-4 provide that option for us at mid/IRBM level. So the next ICBM class SLBM should cover our need ie no need to make more variants out of it given what we can afford. So where is the logic in developing the rumoured K6 or K8 , when the K5 itself is likely equivalent of something like R-39 or M51 type SLBM?

The other part is, if the missile is such powerful, we need a robust platform capable of launching it underwater. This platforms development can not precede or face delay wrt the missiles development by huge margin say 10-20 years ahead/behind. So if K5 is in active development , its carriers development should not be far off, unless they made S4 batch capable of K5 of course.
 
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Nobody gets the timelines of Indian SSBN program accurately and everybody has fallen behind at least 2-4 years behind. What not to say that S5 is not already in advanced stage or construction?😉

It's not to become hyper, just a small fact check for everybody. Doesn't mean it happened but then it doesn't mean it didn't happen as well! Better not to say too much. Old folks know that already.😶🙊
When it comes to strategic programmes, it's best to keep somethings under wraps. The people that know the true status (like Saurav Jha of DDR) are tight lipped and with good reason) What we do know so far is that the S5 design is at an advanced stage (model testing) and that initial material procurement has started. The ATV prog has led to an extensive ecosystem being developed over the years. For Arihant, L&T Hazira built large hull sections and floated them on a barge to Vishakhapatnam for final assembly. So it's possible initial fabrication may have started.

But it's safe to say that the strategic sub programme is at least a couple of years further along than what has been publicly disclosed so far. One reason for that is it's being steered directly by the PMO. I guess we'll have to wait for Sandeep Unnithan or HT's Shishir Guupta to do another story to get the latest updates.
 
What we know about K5 and K6 as of now?
From all accounts, K5 is an extended range version (12m vs 10m length for the latter) version of K4 to meet near term needs. May have been tested secretly a couple of times already. OTOH, K6 is a new gen missile under development for at least a few years now. Going by VK Saraswat's ppt, it looks to be our M51/Trident D5 equivalent in terms of miniaturization and throw weight (3T+).
 
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Clear or not but this is one system we got to see a decent part of the initial sequence in the video, then if you merge it with the previously released k-4 video you get a very good launch video, on par with some conventional missiles and agni videos.


Considering that it's been 10+ years since K4 was first tested in 2013, don't know why there's still so much secrecy around the missile. Tests are well publicised but pics and vids are not forthcoming. I know this is our strategic deterrent but....
 
Considering that it's been 10+ years since K4 was first tested in 2013, don't know why there's still so much secrecy around the missile. Tests are well publicised but pics and vids are not forthcoming. I know this is our strategic deterrent but....
Most tests were pontoon based, and a 1.4m dia class motor based system had also feed from other system like A4 as well, plus you consider this also went through the material change ie from steel body to crmc. Scientists got enough confidence on the first booster stage that they went on to use it on ASAT and now a similar class dia motor is feeding into other programs & will continue to provide options.

So when the missile graduates from a pontoon launch to a sub launch, it means the weapon complex system design is well advanced and enough to be installed on the sub. This part is huge work, possibly more than testing the underwater system itself. Making the silo based canister, checking thru all pressure component , all protocols, installing full launch command control system and finally launching it from the boomer, excellent work and needed secrecy.
 
Problem with K-4 is that separated nose fearing can potentially damage other missile if Launched in a volley....... This also mean that our missile is heavy & our Missile ejection system on SSBN is not advance enough to push the missile out of sea from necessary depth on it's own.
 
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Problem with K-4 is that separated nose fearing can potentially damage other missile if Launched in a volley....... This also mean that our missile is heavy & our Missile ejection system on SSBN is not advance enough to push the missile out of sea from necessary depth on it's own.
How many intermediate class missiles are featured in SSBN worldwide ? most are near or over 2m dia class.
 
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Problem with K-4 is that separated nose fearing can potentially damage other missile if Launched in a volley....... This also mean that our missile is heavy & our Missile ejection system on SSBN is not advance enough to push the missile out of sea from necessary depth on it's own.
No submarine ever fires its missile from deep down. The max depth for such missile launches is just abt 80m.
 
Most tests were pontoon based, and a 1.4m dia class motor based system had also feed from other system like A4 as well, plus you consider this also went through the material change ie from steel body to crmc.
Missile tests are publicized through the media for strategic signaling. The K-15/B-05 validated the sub launch, composite motor and guidance tech that eventually made its way to the K-4 follow-ons (including A4,5). And they did release missile schematics and launch pics for K-15/Shaurya.

Perhaps they haven't released pics from the latest K4 test because DRDO is still verifying the data from the launch.
 
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