Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

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UK says to skip most EU meetings from Sept 1: government

UK says to skip most EU meetings from Sept 1: government


AFP•August 20, 2019

London (AFP) - British officials will stop attending most EU meetings from September 1 except for those on "matters of ongoing national interest" such as security, the government said on Tuesday.

The Brexit ministry said in a statement that the time spent preparing for the meetings in Brussels would be better used in readying the country for leaving the European Union on October 31.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/eu-referendum
EU rejects Boris Johnson request to remove backstop
EU rejects Boris Johnson request to remove backstop

 

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Hopefully they will reject any extension too, then we can all move on.

 

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Interesting dynamic playing out here. Merkel is more bothered about her exports, Macron is more bothered about the EU. I suspect they don't like each other much.


UK's Johnson to hold Brexit talks with Macron after Merkel offers glimmer of hope

UK's Johnson to hold Brexit talks with Macron after Merkel offers glimmer of hope

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Merkel said perhaps an agreement would be possible within "30 days"
Merkel said perhaps an agreement would be possible within "30 days" (AFP Photo/Tobias SCHWARZ)

Berlin (AFP) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson visits Paris on Thursday, a day after Berlin offered a glimmer of hope that an agreement could be reached to avoid a chaotic "no deal" Brexit.

On the second leg of his first foreign visit since taking office, Johnson will meet his French counterpart at the Elysee palace to press home his message that elements of the UK's impending divorce from the European Union must be renegotiated.

But Johnson is likely to face a tougher audience in Paris than in Berlin.

Macron on Wednesday dismissed Johnson's demands that the EU reopen negotiations on the Irish border, saying that the bloc had always been clear it would not agree.

"Renegotiation of the terms currently proposed by the British is not an option that exists, and that has always been made clear by (EU) President Tusk," Macron told reporters in Paris.

At the weekend, all three European leaders will meet US President Donald Trump, a vocal supporter of both Brexit and Johnson, and the leaders of Canada, Italy and Japan at a G7 summit in the French seaside resort of Biarritz.

The talks come after Merkel on Wednesday told Johnson in Berlin that an agreement could even be possible within "30 days" for Britain to leave the EU, if a solution could be found to the thorny issue of the Irish border.

The British prime minister has been adamant that he will not accept the "backstop" border plan agreed under his predecessor Theresa May and warned that the UK will exit the EU on October 31, even at the cost of economic turmoil.

The backstop is a mechanism to avoid border checks between EU member Ireland and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, with checkpoints there removed as part of a 1998 peace deal on the divided island.

But critics have derided the plan because it would temporarily keep Britain in the EU customs union.

In Berlin, Johnson again stressed his view that the backstop "has grave, grave defects for a sovereign, democratic country like the UK" and added that the provision "plainly has to go".

Merkel said that the mechanism was always meant as a "fallback position" to protect the "integrity of the single market" for the period in which the other 27 EU members and London define their future relationship.

 

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Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit - Sky News

Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit

 

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The fact that the backstop (which is a "plan B" kind of thing in case no workable solution is found during the transition period) is unacceptable to British politicians proves that no British politician believes a workable solution can be found. It's an admission that Brexit is incompatible with the Good Friday Agreement, and therefore that a deal cannot be made.

 

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Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit - Sky News

Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit

 

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At G7, EU warns it will respond 'in kind' if Trump puts tariff on French wine
Michael Collins USA TODAY

Published 3:06 PM EDT Aug 24, 2019

BIARRITZ, France – The president of the European Council put President Donald Trump on notice Saturday that the E.U. will stand with France and strike back if the United States slaps tariffs on French wines.

 

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UK plans to end EU freedom of movement immediately in no-deal Brexit

UK plans to end EU freedom of movement immediately in no-deal Brexit

That is the main goal after all.

UK says to skip most EU meetings from Sept 1: government

UK says to skip most EU meetings from Sept 1: government


AFP•August 20, 2019

London (AFP) - British officials will stop attending most EU meetings from September 1 except for those on "matters of ongoing national interest" such as security, the government said on Tuesday.

The Brexit ministry said in a statement that the time spent preparing for the meetings in Brussels would be better used in readying the country for leaving the European Union on October 31.

Finally making a stand. Good for Great Britain. Bad for Ireland.

 

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At G7, EU warns it will respond 'in kind' if Trump puts tariff on French wine
Michael Collins USA TODAY

Published 3:06 PM EDT Aug 24, 2019

BIARRITZ, France – The president of the European Council put President Donald Trump on notice Saturday that the E.U. will stand with France and strike back if the United States slaps tariffs on French wines.

Trump will do it anyway just to see if they do. The last thing the EU needs is to lose another major trading partner. Then 1/3rd of your exports will be gone instead of 17%.

 

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Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit - Sky News

Johnson to tell EU's Tusk UK won't pay 39 billion pounds under no-deal Brexit

That won't work. The UK is obligated to pay that amount.

 

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That won't work. The UK is obligated to pay that amount.

Based on what exactly? Based on the fact we've been a net contributor rather than one of the 19 net beneficiaries of the EU budget? They haven't got a leg to stand on, we have more right to ask for some of the money we've already paid back.

 

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Based on what exactly? Based on the fact we've been a net contributor rather than one of the 19 net beneficiaries of the EU budget? They haven't got a leg to stand on, we have more right to ask for some of the money we've already paid back.

Based on the fact that the UK has already committed to it. Or the EU will start seizing British overseas assets.

Anyway, it's a statement by Johnson to indicate he's open for more discussion about reaching a deal.

 

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Based on the fact that the UK has already committed to it. Or the EU will start seizing British overseas assets.

Anyway, it's a statement by Johnson to indicate he's open for more discussion about reaching a deal.

We can seize plenty of their assets too. We can also block trade between the EU and ROI. We have no need to succumb to their blackmail. Funding agreements were based on the UK's continued membership of the EU. We've also paid £0.5tr into the EU and we are owed some of it back now that we're leaving, just like in any divorce.

Based on that BS, India still owes the UK, because the UK was taking money from it before the split.

 

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We can seize plenty of their assets too. We can also block trade between the EU and ROI. We have no need to succumb to their blackmail. Funding agreements were based on the UK's continued membership of the EU. We've also paid £0.5tr into the EU and we are owed some of it back now that we're leaving, just like in any divorce.

Based on that BS, India still owes the UK, because the UK was taking money from it before the split.

The way I see it, UK is the one doing the blackmailing.

If you look at what the money is going towards, some you can escape, but most of it you still have to pay.

 

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The way I see it, UK is the one doing the blackmailing.

If you look at what the money is going towards, some you can escape, but most of it you still have to pay.

Your view is extremely biased. There are 28 nations in the EU and up to a year ago only 9 paid a net contribution. We paid the second highest net contribution. Why the hell should we owe money when leaving just because we were a net contributor? That's like a judge dealing with two divorces and giving a gold digging *censored* wife more than the one who brought in a six figure salary every year and put money into the house.

As regards pensions. The EU chose not to operate a proper pension pot and simply have the current members paying pensions. When we joined we were paying pensions for people who had already retired, who never worked a day whilst we were a member and for many more we paid a full pension, even though only 5% of their time was worked under us for example. So when we leave, it's absolutely right that it works the other way too.

We won't pay jack shit and there isn't a force on this Earth that can make us. You have no idea how strong the sentiment is on this. We were robbed whilst in the EU and the fact they think we owe them money because they were robbing us is a major insult. There'll be a war before anyone pays that money. We don't need a deal and we'll happily cut off all EU trade and seize all EU assets in the UK if they start playing that game. Trump has already demonstrated that the WTO holds no real weight in the world.

 

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Your view is extremely biased. There are 28 nations in the EU and up to a year ago only 9 paid a net contribution. We paid the second highest net contribution. Why the hell should we owe money when leaving just because we were a net contributor? That's like a judge dealing with two divorces and giving a gold digging *censored* wife more than the one who brought in a six figure salary every year and put money into the house.

As regards pensions. The EU chose not to operate a proper pension pot and simply have the current members paying pensions. When we joined we were paying pensions for people who had already retired, who never worked a day whilst we were a member and for many more we paid a full pension, even though only 5% of their time was worked under us for example. So when we leave, it's absolutely right that it works the other way too.

We won't pay jack shit and there isn't a force on this Earth that can make us. You have no idea how strong the sentiment is on this. We were robbed whilst in the EU and the fact they think we owe them money because they were robbing us is a major insult. There'll be a war before anyone pays that money. We don't need a deal and we'll happily cut off all EU trade and seize all EU assets in the UK if they start playing that game. Trump has already demonstrated that the WTO holds no real weight in the world.

You'll find out that the world doesn't work that way. If Britain makes a mess of already committed to financial committments, you are gonna get backlash from all corners of the world.

You pay for pensions when you come in, you pay for pensions even after you leave, you're not gonna escape from that.

The EU budget as well, you are gonna have to pay for next year, 14 months to be exact.

The other liabilities, you can play around with those but you will likely lose ownership and cooperation of the programs. There's student exchange schemes, security cooperation with Europol, space cooperation, nuclear cooperation etc. You really cannot escape any of these, it's actually in your interest also to stick on with these. Rather I think UK will pay more to continue with these programs even after 2020. Better yet, you should leave all these programs and outsource all the work to India.

 

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You'll find out that the world doesn't work that way. If Britain makes a mess of already committed to financial committments, you are gonna get backlash from all corners of the world.

You pay for pensions when you come in, you pay for pensions even after you leave, you're not gonna escape from that.

The EU budget as well, you are gonna have to pay for next year, 14 months to be exact.

The other liabilities, you can play around with those but you will likely lose ownership and cooperation of the programs. There's student exchange schemes, security cooperation with Europol, space cooperation, nuclear cooperation etc. You really cannot escape any of these, it's actually in your interest also to stick on with these. Rather I think UK will pay more to continue with these programs even after 2020. Better yet, you should leave all these programs and outsource all the work to India.

The payments only concern the EU. And we don't care about backlash from the EU, we're more than happy to cut off all trade with them until they stop being slimy b@stards. No one else in the world gives a shit about the EU, since the EU makes them all suffer under a regime of non-tariff barriers.

We were paying the pensions of people who never served a day whilst we were a member when we joined. We are going to escape it, just watch us.

Nope. They can ask some of the non-contributors to pay for a change.

The student exchange scheme costs us money on net. We've already been kicked off the space program anyway. Security-wise, we bring more intelligence to the table than we take and if they want to harbour criminals wanted by us, let them, it will save our taxpayers a fortune. We don't need their nuclear co-operation, never have.

They can also take their 10,000 prisoners back.

 

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The payments only concern the EU. And we don't care about backlash from the EU, we're more than happy to cut off all trade with them until they stop being slimy b@stards. No one else in the world gives a shit about the EU, since the EU makes them all suffer under a regime of non-tariff barriers.

We were paying the pensions of people who never served a day whilst we were a member when we joined. We are going to escape it, just watch us.

Nope. They can ask some of the non-contributors to pay for a change.

The student exchange scheme costs us money on net. We've already been kicked off the space program anyway. Security-wise, we bring more intelligence to the table than we take and if they want to harbour criminals wanted by us, let them, it will save our taxpayers a fortune. We don't need their nuclear co-operation, never have.

They can also take their 10,000 prisoners back.

Sure, you can escape from most of the other liabilities. All you have to do is simply give up on those programs. Perhaps you can even ask for some of your money back. But you can't escape from the EU budget until 2020 and also the pension payments. You can't escape from your own committments, even Boris knows that.

The biggest drawback to not paying is no one else is ever going to trust you. All your FTAs will fail.

Honestly, I don't want Britain to pay a penny. That has very high entertainment value for me.

 

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Sure, you can escape from most of the other liabilities. All you have to do is simply give up on those programs. Perhaps you can even ask for some of your money back. But you can't escape from the EU budget until 2020 and also the pension payments. You can't escape from your own committments, even Boris knows that.

The biggest drawback to not paying is no one else is ever going to trust you. All your FTAs will fail.

Honestly, I don't want Britain to pay a penny. That has very high entertainment value for me.

We don't want participation in their programs, we're severing ties with them. The money was never for participation in their programs, 19 of the 28 nations get billions each every year, that's where the bulk of the money goes. Sure we can escape them.

Why? No one else gives two craps about the EU crying. We adhered to their terms whilst we were members, after that stops we don't have to listen to them at all.

Me too. Macron can stuff his Peugeots and Citroens up his short ar5e.