Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

Unless it is merely a transformation into "satrapy" by the American empire, or even why not one day Chinese, as some opponents kindly suggest, a successful British diplomatic strategy after Brexit can only be navigation and balance between the various large power blocks, "splendid isolation" when necessary, targeted and measured cooperation with each other on a particular subject most of the time.

In short, in French terms, a Gaullist strategy. More precisely "Gaullist historical canal", certainly not in the Chirac or Sarkozy style. Some would probably go so far as to say "Gaullist ultra". To say the least, such a strategy does not seem to come naturally to most pro-Brexit policies. It is even possible to suspect that most of them have not really understood what they are getting into.

It must be said that a Gaullist strategy is probably particularly difficult for Great Britain, for the simple reason that it is very unfamiliar with it.

Who said at the end of the war "Know the De Gaulle, whenever I have to choose between Europe and the open sea, I will always be for the open sea. Every time I have to choose between you and Roosevelt, I will always choose Roosevelt"? It's Churchill, all right.

But Churchill, and the British after him, did not mean the big picture in the sense of fierce independence combined with a policy of cooperation in all directions. Or, if there were still some ambiguities in this sense, they were quickly resolved. The "big open sea", in the British case, meant little more than following the Big Brother on the other side of the Atlantic. And the British defence was organised in this way.

Over time, three trends have become more pronounced:

  • Practical dependence on Washington has deepened. From the 1960s onwards, the British renounced the independence of their nuclear deterrence, renouncing the manufacture of their own ballistic missiles. Later, it was for the manufacture of nuclear weapons themselves that London allowed a dependency on the Americans to develop. In the 2000s, it was their new ANS Astute that they were only able to complete thanks to American assistance. And in the 2010's, they buy F-35 aircraft for which they don't even have the software source code, Washington having decided in the late 2000s that the British were not trustworthy enough to do so.
  • Follow-up in foreign policy has tended to get worse. London, for example, did not send troops to Vietnam in the 1960s to fight alongside the Americans - only the Australians did. But in 2003, there were several tens of thousands of British soldiers in Iraq under Washington's command. There are still sometimes remnants of independence, it is true, for example in 2013 the British parliament refused to send fighters to bomb Syria, even before Obama cancelled the operation. But for example, it seems that the recent takeover of an Iranian oil tanker in Gibraltar by British commandos is the response to an American request
  • Finally, and perhaps worst of all, American presidents are taking fewer and fewer gloves and no longer playing the comedy of "No, the UK is not my favourite follower, it is a partner I respect and listen to for its great experience". Obama has already made it clear that he was more outspoken than his predecessors when it came to Britain. At least he was being polite. Trump, on the other hand, is a festival of disrespect and even insults towards the British Prime Minister, when it is not a blarney "you are going to see the beautiful trade agreement I am going to make you", all fangs out and the tongue hanging out: laugh: when we compare the objectives of the United States for such a negotiation, which have filtered out and it is brutal!

Brexit, whatever one thinks of it and even if one is convinced that it is a huge mistake, it seems to me that one can only analyse it as the desire to be independent and to conduct one's own affairs. In short, the choice of cooperation with foreign countries - in this case the 27 - rather than submission to a superstructure that constrains and partly directs Great Britain - as do the others.

But this will and the decision that resulted from it... it suddenly puts the United Kingdom in the big league, forced to position itself and sail and defend its beefsteak both against:
  • From the European legal and commercial empire,
  • Of the American military, financial and IT empire
  • And the expanding Chinese industrial and financial empire.
Britain is a powerful nation, which appears in any way to be one of the ten largest powers on the planet - and there are 193 in total. Running your boat independently of the large blocks is a feasible project. But he would have to play (very) tight. With in particular and in a non-limitative way:
  • A strong desire to get closer or further away from any of the large blocks - in order to be courted by all
  • The fundamental instruments guaranteeing its freedom of action
  • The ability to make compromises, because of course independence does not mean the ability to do whatever you want, let alone anything
  • A lot of cold realism to handle all this
  • And finally patience!

Rome was not built in a day:
  • It is not necessarily possible to fully free oneself from legal, trade and standards links from one year to the next that have taken 43 years to deepen (from 1973 when one joined the EEC to 2016 when one decided to leave the EU),
  • Nor can we necessarily achieve full foreign policy independence immediately when we have a military tool that depends on the American Big Brother on many sides,
  • Nor to develop in the blink of an eye an industry capable of balancing British foreign trade at a certain level, which will become even more so with the migration to the continent - Brexit obliges - of some of the predation, casino and financial charlatanism activities where London excels today, or with the depletion of gas fields in the North Sea

Unfortunately, the British political class is far from showing the will, flexibility, realism and patience that would be necessary: sad:

On 31 October this year, the most likely date is that the United Kingdom will leave the EU by smashing out the window, with glass shards and all that, for an immediate dive into the shark pool. One of them will be decorated with a small blue flag with twelve stars... while another will have an orange crest and a carnivorous smile. Not to mention the most polite of all, with a beautiful five-star red flag... which is perhaps also the most ferocious in fact.

It would be a good time for a small provincial nobliau, probably a soldier, say a brigadier general on a temporary basis, to appear on a beautiful white steed and become Her Majesty's Prime Minister. There is not a Charles The Wall in the British army? :D

Things will probably not go exactly that way, of course. There will inevitably be capable leaders who emerge across the Channel - it is in times of crisis that they tend to appear - but precise events are not predictable. And London may have to glimpse for a while before it can float: unsure:

It is not enough for a decision to be strategically sound. It is still necessary that the execution follows....

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They're too busy being corrupt.
Every police force in the world is corrupt to some degree. I doubt your police is more corrupt than ours. Our police will take bribes, but with our history of terror attacks, this probably wouldn't happen. If it did, it wouldn't be tolerated.

This here isn't corruption, its political correctness. Here's hoping political correctness doesn't come at the cost of lives.
Of course it's real. Unfortunately....
Islam become more and more radical as western country dont have the balls to stop it.
Circumventing justice for the sake of "multiculturalism" isn't worth it. We've tried "multiculturalism" and failed, then eventually gave up.
 
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Every police force in the world is corrupt to some degree. I doubt your police is more corrupt than ours. Our police will take bribes, but with our history of terror attacks, this probably wouldn't happen. If it did, it wouldn't be tolerated.
Well the UK police are not one force contrary to popular belief, they are many different forces for each area, plus the transport police, traffic police and MOD police. Some force areas are terrible, and because forces sometimes cross boundaries and their vehicles are tracked separately, they will regularly blame incidents on each other. South Yorkshire and North Yorkshire are absolutely terrible, they make the police force on Hot Fuzz look straight.
 
We've tried "multiculturalism" and failed,
In France we have integrated Italian people, Spanish people, polish people, jewish people.... It was not ever easy, but at the end their sons are perfectly integrated.
With asiatics people it's a little bit different : they are very polite, very humble, hard at work, with no nuisance but not fully integrated (some are making under the scope black business...). But it's quite perfect.
With muslim people it's very different. Too much of them don't really want to be integrated. Too many are lazy (I perfectly know that part...), too many are french for the social treatment but Algerian or Malian in the heart and in the way of life. It's a growing problem. They don't accept our way of living even if they are our guests. I think at a certain extent it will end badly.
 
too many are french for the social treatment but Algerian or Malian in the heart and in the way of life.
Interesting. In our case it often the opposite. Let me give you some examples :

The Zoroastrians arrived to Ancient India as refugees seeking shelter from the Islamic armies ravaging Persia and have assimilated to the then Ancient India. They are called the Parsis in India, effectively meaning people from Persia. They continued on living in India for thousand of years. Went through everything with us, from the rise and fall of kingdoms, colonialism, partition, wars everything. Today India is home to the largest community of Zoroastrians anywhere, they were more successful as a community here than anywhere else on the planet.

The Jewish community in India was again a community that arrived in Ancient India and have living on here since forever. They were and remain a peaceful community. There history is way too long to even make a summary. Needless to say the Jews became highly educated and very successful in India, just like they are wherever they go. You can check this if you want to know more about the Jews of India :

History of the Jews in India - Wikipedia

You could say the same about the Tibetans in India. A very peaceful community. Or the French living in their erstwhile colonies in India.

Our Muslims, on the other hand, often act like they are Arabs, Mongols, Turks even Asgardian but not Indian. Anything but Indian. Curious isn't it ? All these people, the Zoroastrians, Jews, Tibetans, French etc, were all foreigners/outsiders when they came to India. All of them assimilated, they didn't have to destroy their culture to do that. Yet some Indians, born and raised here, have trouble coping with the fact that they are Indian.

Also curious is the fact that when ever you read media reports about minority its always the Muslims, as if no other minority exists in India. When ever someone talks about minority issues again its always the Muslim minorities, as if other minorities have no issues.

For the Malians and Algerians, being French in France gives them social benefits. Its opposite for us, being Indian gives you nothing here, however being a Muslims and not assimilating has many benefits lined up.
 
But you have nothing to export
Because the Euro has been so weak historically. We have a trade surplus with the US despite not having a trade deal. Meanwhile in the EU we have a trade deficit. Clearly trade deals aren't always beneficial.
 
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