Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

halloweene said:
Because auntie Merkel wants to keep exporting cars t UK. A?d french governement was against the extension. The pitiful behaviour and icompetence (or dishonesty such as Farrage lies he is sued for) sould not paralyze the whole europe. Decide, democratically (that is including (i) the consequences (ii) lettin Brits overtheworld vote, they are not subcitizens are they)? STAY OR LEAVE but stop that telenovela please? Uk is the laughingstock of the whole world atm.

73%? In your wet dreams. Make a real mandatory referendum now and you'll see. The portion that votes for exit is made of nannys and low IQs
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(i) Nobody knows the final consequences when they vote, not ever. Did the people who voted in 1975 know the consequences - nope. Do people know the consequences of Remaining - nope.
(ii) No but membership of the EU has no bearing on them, just as it didn't in 1975.

There's no such thing as a mandatory vote in the UK, never has been. How would you go about even enforcing it? It was the largest turnout for a vote in UK history though.

Why was there no referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, European Parliament Act, or any EU expansions? The French accusing the UK of being anti-democratic is a joke. They themselves voted against the EU Constitution before it was renamed The Lisbon Treaty and put through without a vote anyway.
 
The Remain vote is comprised mostly of LGBTQ and people who identify as geese.
 
Trump lashes London mayor, brings Brexit advice on UK state visit

Trump lashes London mayor, brings Brexit advice on UK state visit


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Trump and his wife Melania are to meet Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace
Trump and his wife Melania are to meet Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace (AFP Photo/MANDEL NGAN)

London (AFP) - US President Donald Trump arrived on his state visit to Britain on Monday in combative mood, following up his weekend interventions over Brexit with a broadside against London's "loser" mayor.

The president's plane had not even touched down when he tweeted that Sadiq Khan, who has been highly critical of the red-carpet welcome laid on for Trump, had done a "terrible job".

The president called the mayor a "stone cold loser" before adding: "In any event, I look forward to being a great friend to the United Kingdom, and am looking very much forward to my visit."

Queen Elizabeth II will welcome Trump and his wife Melania to Buckingham Palace later Monday, where they will be treated to a guard of honour, a private lunch and a glittering state banquet.

But beneath the pomp and ceremony, Britain is in turmoil with Prime Minister Theresa May due to step down within weeks over her handling of her country's exit from the European Union.

Where other leaders may have treaded lightly, Trump weighed in, declaring before he arrived that former foreign minister Boris Johnson would make an "excellent" choice to succeed May.

In a round of British newspaper interviews, he also recommended her successor walk away from talks with Brussels, refuse to pay Britain's agreed divorce bill and leave the EU with no deal.

The much vaunted UK-US "special relationship" was already under strain over different approaches to Iran, China and climate change, as well as Trump's personal politics.

Labour's Khan has led opposition to the three-day visit, condemning Trump's "divisive behaviour" and saying he was "one of the most egregious examples" of a growing global threat from the far-right.

Large protests are planned in London, while opposition politicians are also boycotting the state banquet on Monday night.

But May and Trump are expected to emphasise the wider benefits of the old alliance when they hold talks at Downing Street on Tuesday.

On Wednesday, they will join other world leaders in the English port of Portsmouth to commemorate 75 years since the D-Day landings, which changed the course of World War II.

"Our relationship has underpinned our countries' security and prosperity for many years, and will continue to do so for generations to come," May said ahead of the visit.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt added: "He's very controversial, he's a disruptor. But he's also president of our most important ally."

- No-deal Brexit -

May announced her resignation last month after failing to get her Brexit deal through parliament and twice delaying Britain's EU departure.

She will formally quit as her Conservative party's leader on Friday, but will stay on while they find someone to replace her.

Three years after the referendum vote for Brexit, Britain remains divided and anxious about its place in the world.

Trump recommended the new government be bold and make a clean break with the EU if necessary, adding that there was "tremendous potential" for Britain to trade with his country after Brexit.

This message chimes with those of many of the candidates seeking to replace May, including Johnson. However, others warn against severing ties with Britain's closest trading partner.

Trump said he might meet with Johnson and pro-Brexit populist leader Nigel Farage during his UK visit.

"They want to meet. We'll see what happen," he told reporters before he left the United States.

- Strained special relationship -

May was the first foreign leader welcomed to the White House after Trump's election victory in November 2016, but their relationship has not always been rosy.

They have clashed in the past over his migration policies, while Britain still backs the Iranian nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord, both of which Trump has abandoned.

Washington has also been putting pressure on Britain to exclude Chinese tech giant Huawei from its 5G network over security concerns, suggesting it might harm intelligence sharing.

Trump's first official visit to Britain last year was overshadowed by criticism of May's approach to Brexit, as well as large demonstrations.

Protesters are planning a big turnout this week and are hoping to once again fly their inflatable balloon showing Trump as a baby over the streets of London.

But the president's itinerary, which also includes a tea with heir to the throne Prince Charles, will keep him away from the public.

He is not expected to meet Prince Harry and his American wife Meghan Markle, after saying her previous criticism of him was "nasty".
 
Goodbye EU we are going to have a better FREE Trade deal with US & Trump - then some whispers its called Goodbye NHS
Damn UK has its hands in the honey jar & eating it too. Goodgoing:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
LoneWolfSandeep said:
Goodbye EU we are going to have a better FREE Trade deal with US & Trump - then some whispers its called Goodbye NHS
Damn UK has its hands in the honey jar & eating it too. Goodgoing:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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He said it was on the table, it will go on the table and then it will be off the table. You can't simply introduce a fully private healthcare system to a country that already has patients relying on state care, who have never had chance to take out insurance because they never knew such a change was coming.
 
LoneWolfSandeep said:
Goodbye EU we are going to have a better FREE Trade deal with US & Trump - then some whispers its called Goodbye NHS
Damn UK has its hands in the honey jar & eating it too. Goodgoing:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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This doesn't actually mean what it may seem like it does. At present many NHS services are contracted out to private companies, in some cases French and German companies, US companies would like to bid for these services.
 
Anglo-Saxons deserve reparations for the Norman Conquest
The effect on indigenous English society was enduring devastation

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Sahil Mahtani July 10, 2019 11:58 PM

Restorative justice for the victims of colonialism is an idea whose time has come. A few years ago, the Indian diplomat Shashi Tharoor suggested Britain pay India compensation to atone for centuries of colonial rule. ‘I’d be quite happy if it was £1 a year for the next 200 years,’ he said.

In April, Cambridge University announced a two-year study into how buildings and wine cellars might have been constructed on the backs of slaves. ‘There is growing public and academic interest in the links between the older British universities and the slave trade, and it is only right that Cambridge should look into its own exposure to the profits of coerced labour during the colonial period,’ said Vice Chancellor Stephen Toope.

Too right. Glasgow University has already conducted a study into its own links with slavery and concluded that £200 million worth of its wealth was ill-gotten in this way — though it hasn’t yet decided what form reparations should take. In America, the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties held a hearing in June to examine ‘the legacy of the transatlantic slave trade, its continuing impact on the community and the path to restorative justice’. The campaign has received support from nearly 60 House Democrats and a string of the wokest Democratic presidential candidates, including Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren.

To those who suggest we might be better spending our time righting the injustices of today rather than of the distant past I say: shame on you. If these wrongs are not righted through compensation they will live on in our collective shame and the descendants of the victims will continue to suffer. Far from abandoning the principle of restorative justice we should be expanding it and exploring what other injustices might be put right through financial compensation.

One glaring example is the great evil visited on the Anglo-Saxon population by the Normal Conquest of 1066. By any standard, the effect on indigenous English society was enduring devastation. Through war, invasion and genocide, the Anglo-Saxon ruling class was almost entirely replaced, control of the church and state surrendered to foreign adversaries, English replaced by Norman French as the language of government, and England’s entire political, social and cultural orientation shifted from Northern Europe to the continent for the next thousand years.

This matters because, just as the pain of colonialism continues to be endured by its descendants, the Conquest continues to have lasting effects. In his study of surnames and social mobility, economic historian Gregory Clark concluded that Norman surnames continue to be 25 percent overrepresented at Oxbridge to this day relative to other indigenous English surnames. As Clark put it: ‘The fact that Norman surnames had not been completely average in their social distribution by 1300, by 1600, or even by 1900 implies astonishingly slow rates of social mobility during every epoch of English history.’ Not for nothing did Nonconformists and Whigs loudly oppose ‘the Norman yoke’ during the 17th and 18th centuries.

Cambridge University, which still drips with Norman money and influence, should now consider to what extent it needs to compensate its Anglo-Saxon victims. The Sutton Trust estimates that Oxbridge graduates earn £400,000 more during their lifetimes than graduates from other UK universities. These figures imply that descendants of the rapacious Norman invader class could be earning tens of thousands of pounds more than other graduates — an undeserved lifetime premium that has survived 31 generations. So, reparations must certainly be made. But who shall pay, and who shall receive?

It should be straightforward for a Royal Commission to trace the present-day descendants of Britain’s Norman usurpers through a combination of genealogical and administrative research as well as — inevitably — mandatory genetic testing. A small tax on the Lampards, Vardys and Gascoignes of the world, payable to the Bamfords, Bransons and Ecclestones, would be sufficient to catalyze healing for the open sores of the past.

What are the sums involved? By 1086, the Norman arrivistes had stolen almost a third of the 12.5 million acres of arable land in England, parcelling it into manorial estates. At a conservative estimate, that land is now worth £7,000 per acre — or £25 billion in total that the Normans owe Anglo-Saxons for the Conquest. France’s liability could, of course, be offset against our exit bill from the EU.

There will be inevitable quibbles, such as descendants of Normans claiming that they were not personally responsible. But this is feeble prattle. Countries typically honor treaties dating hundreds of years in the past, despite no one being alive who signed them. We pay debts accumulated by previous generations. Similarly, reparations correctly depend on a notion of collective and inherited responsibility, precisely why the Jews were held accountable for the death of Jesus Christ for most of the Christian era.

We are learning every day just how deep our roots in the past lie. The more we learn, the more necessary it is to see the past in terms of the attitudes of the present, and to rectify regrettable aspects. Eventually these may encompass events as old as the Indo-Aryan invasions of 1500 bc, which produced the Hindu caste system, as well as more unheralded travesties such as the American conquest of the Philippines, which introduced junk food, soap operas and general bad taste. Ultimately, only by demarcating a special class of victims and making grievance inheritable can we address the sins of the past and promote harmony in our own world.

Of course, in Britain one Royal Commission is unlikely to be sufficient. Once the Anglo-Saxon population has been compensated, surviving descendants of the ancient Britons will understandably want to seek redress from the Anglo-Saxons themselves for crimes committed during that earlier settlement. Justice must be served, even if it means even more public money disappearing over the Severn Bridge into Wales. But hopefully it will be made up for by the billions we are owed by present-day Scandinavians in compensation for all that rape and pillage by the Vikings.

This article was originally published in The Spectator magazine.
 
BMD said:
To whinge of course.

John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown - all the worst leaders of recent times.
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You should leave asap , Jihadis are invading you , Birmingham is lost , Bradford is lost , some part of London is lost , Pakistani origin man is London mayor lol
Corbyn is ready to sell your country for votes , where are the nationalist British
 
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