Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
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Doesn't surprise me, a lot of UK police are corrupt.
They're all switching to the Brexit Party though. A lot of Labour voters voted Leave too, that's what most don't realise. The Leave vote was split half-half between Labour and Conservative.And in the end splitting bexit votes between brexit party and UKIP. Labour will gain most seats and you brexit folks are fvcked
Many polls by British main stream media outlets are showing considerable vote for brexit party. That makes me suspecious that they are trying to promote Brexit party to split votes from UKIP. It feels like they got some direction from someone.If brexit voted for one party, they could have gained most of the seats and that would have become a nightmare for the other side who is pushing for second referendum.
Don't underestimate the British political establishment.
People are voting for Farage, UKIP lost its way after he left. The Brexit Party is going to get nearly all the Leave vote, but these are the EU elections, not the UK elections anyway.
Looks awfully reminiscent to the streets of Kashmir and Old Bank. Hope the kids didn't get hurt. In Kashmir we are told they are fighting for freedom againt the oppressive Hindus, in Gaza it is the evil Yahoodis, in UK the evil Christians ? Here there its all the same, maniacs then maniacs now.
Completely wrong. You even have a discount. U know what you are the cats of EU. meowing to get in, meowing to have the door open to leave, then meowing if you are pushed out.Please decide youself! Btw, if there was another poll today, Brexiter would lose by far... The problem is that old retired people are endangering the future of youngsters within europe. Nvm, tbh i do not care.
Even with that discount we still pay more than you on net because you get far more back through other means. Hence why the EU gave us the rebate in the first place. So don't pretend it's a discount for one second.
https://politick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/UKcontribution.pdf
Only the politicians and Remainers are meowing, the rest of us are scratching at the door, which is still closed.
The problem is that old people, who should be retired, are endangering the future of children in Western Europe.
Macron has had the chance to veto an extension several times now, so who's the real pussy?
This says all...
HM Treasury’s measure of EU receipts does not include all the funding that UK organisations receive from the EU. HM Treasury include only funds allocated to the UK government to manage. Funds allocated directly to UK organisations by the European Commission, such as through Horizon 2020, are not included by HM Treasury
HM Treasury’s measure of EU receipts does not include all the funding that UK organisations receive from the EU. HM Treasury include only funds allocated to the UK government to manage. Funds allocated directly to UK organisations by the European Commission, such as through Horizon 2020, are not included by HM Treasury
The same is true of the French figure. See the blue graph.
The report does cover that on page 3 though.
However, this money includes that spent on EU propaganda, including that thinly disguised as social science research.
British Steel insolvency endangers 5,000 jobs
British Steel collapse threatens 5,000 jobs
British Steel has been placed in compulsory liquidation, putting 5,000 jobs at risk and endangering 20,000 in the supply chain.
The move follows a breakdown in rescue talks between the government and the company's owner, Greybull.
The Government's Official Receiver has taken control of the company as part of the liquidation process.
The search for a buyer for British Steel has already begun. In the meantime, it will trade normally.
The Official Receiver said British Steel Ltd had been wound up in the High Court and the immediate priority was to continue safe operation of the site.
The company was transferred to the Official Receiver because British Steel, its shareholders and the government were not able to, or would not, support the business. That meant the company did not have to funds to pay for an administration.
The other companies within the British Steel group are continuing to trade as normal and are not in insolvency.
So what happens now?
The Official Receiver and EY are looking for a buyer for the business.
If they fail to find one, the firm would be wound up and redundancies would follow.
"I appreciate that this is a difficult time for the company's employees and I want to thank them for their ongoing co-operation," Receiver David Chapman said.
"The company in liquidation is continuing to trade and supply its customers while I consider options for the business.
What about the staff?
British Steel has about 5,000 employees. There are 3,000 at Scunthorpe, with another 800 on Teesside and in north-eastern England.
The rest are in France, the Netherlands and various sales offices round the world.
Their wages this week have been paid by Greybull and the government will pick up the bill from now on.
Roy Rickhuss, general secretary of the steelworkers' trade union, Community, said: "This news will heap more worries on workers and everyone connected with British Steel, but it will also end the uncertainty under Greybull's ownership and must be seized as an opportunity to look for an alternative future.
"It is vital now that cool heads prevail and all parties focus on saving the jobs.
Staff in Scunthorpe have also reacted. "Everyone is terrified," said steelworker Kevin Prior. The 32-year-old scrap metal cutter has been at the plant since 2015 and his sister and brother-in-law also work at there.
He said rumours about the company's future had been circulating for a number of weeks.
"It's just heartbreaking," he said.
"It's horrible to hear that my sister is crying herself to sleep because she doesn't know what's going to happen with her husband's job and what that means for them."
As well as the plant's workers the North Lincolnshire town's economy relies heavily on the giant steel works, with an estimated 20,000 jobs linked to the site.
Its closure would be a body blow, with some residents claiming it would leave Scunthorpe a "ghost town".
How did it come to this?
In 2007, India's Tata conglomerate entered the UK steel market after it bought the Anglo Dutch group, Corus. In 2010, the business was renamed Tata Steel Europe.
After a difficult few years, during depths of the 2016 steel crisis, Tata sold the Scunthorpe long products division to private equity firm Greybull Capital for a nominal £1.
Greybull rebranded the company as British Steel.
British Steel's more recent troubles have been linked to a slump in orders from European customers ‎due to uncertainty over the Brexit process.
It has has also struggled with the weakness of the pound since the EU referendum in June 2016 and the escalating US-China trade war.
In a statement on Wednesday, Greybull said: "The turnaround of British Steel was always going to be a challenge, and yet the business overcame many difficulties and until recently, looked set for renewed prosperity.
"The workforce, the trade unions and the management team have worked closely together in their determination to strengthen the business. However, the additional blows dealt by Brexit-related issues have proven insurmountable."
The High Court appointed accountancy firm EY to the role of Special Manager, assisting the Receiver.
EY said the appointment of the Official Receiver followed "a number of weeks" of negotiations by management with the company's various stakeholders, including lenders, shareholders and the government, to secure the necessary funding to avoid an insolvency.
"Regrettably, these efforts were unable to secure a solution before the company's funding resources were exhausted."
How have customers reacted?
British Steel customer Network Rail sources 95% of its rails from British Steel's Scunthorpe plant.
In a statement, the rail infrastructure operator said it had been working closely with British Steel and the government for "many weeks".
"We have done what we can to help ease the company's financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company - increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule - as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow."
It is understood the company has enough stockpiles to keep it going until other suppliers can increase production.
What do the politicians say?
Business Secretary Greg Clark said the government had shown its "willingness to act", having provided the British Steel with a £120m bridging loan in April to meet EU emission rules and avoid a steep fine.
However, he added: "The government can only act within the law, which requires any financial support to a steel company to be on a commercial basis. I have been advised that it would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan on the terms of any proposals that the company or any other party has made."
Labour's shadow business secretary, Rebecca Long Bailey, called for the company to be nationalised.
She said: "The government must act quickly to save this strategically important industry and the livelihoods and communities of those who work in it, by bringing British Steel into public ownership.''
British Steel collapse threatens 5,000 jobs
British Steel has been placed in compulsory liquidation, putting 5,000 jobs at risk and endangering 20,000 in the supply chain.
The move follows a breakdown in rescue talks between the government and the company's owner, Greybull.
The Government's Official Receiver has taken control of the company as part of the liquidation process.
The search for a buyer for British Steel has already begun. In the meantime, it will trade normally.
The Official Receiver said British Steel Ltd had been wound up in the High Court and the immediate priority was to continue safe operation of the site.
The company was transferred to the Official Receiver because British Steel, its shareholders and the government were not able to, or would not, support the business. That meant the company did not have to funds to pay for an administration.
The other companies within the British Steel group are continuing to trade as normal and are not in insolvency.
So what happens now?
The Official Receiver and EY are looking for a buyer for the business.
If they fail to find one, the firm would be wound up and redundancies would follow.
"I appreciate that this is a difficult time for the company's employees and I want to thank them for their ongoing co-operation," Receiver David Chapman said.
"The company in liquidation is continuing to trade and supply its customers while I consider options for the business.
What about the staff?
British Steel has about 5,000 employees. There are 3,000 at Scunthorpe, with another 800 on Teesside and in north-eastern England.
The rest are in France, the Netherlands and various sales offices round the world.
Their wages this week have been paid by Greybull and the government will pick up the bill from now on.
Roy Rickhuss, general secretary of the steelworkers' trade union, Community, said: "This news will heap more worries on workers and everyone connected with British Steel, but it will also end the uncertainty under Greybull's ownership and must be seized as an opportunity to look for an alternative future.
"It is vital now that cool heads prevail and all parties focus on saving the jobs.
Staff in Scunthorpe have also reacted. "Everyone is terrified," said steelworker Kevin Prior. The 32-year-old scrap metal cutter has been at the plant since 2015 and his sister and brother-in-law also work at there.
He said rumours about the company's future had been circulating for a number of weeks.
"It's just heartbreaking," he said.
"It's horrible to hear that my sister is crying herself to sleep because she doesn't know what's going to happen with her husband's job and what that means for them."
As well as the plant's workers the North Lincolnshire town's economy relies heavily on the giant steel works, with an estimated 20,000 jobs linked to the site.
Its closure would be a body blow, with some residents claiming it would leave Scunthorpe a "ghost town".
How did it come to this?
In 2007, India's Tata conglomerate entered the UK steel market after it bought the Anglo Dutch group, Corus. In 2010, the business was renamed Tata Steel Europe.
After a difficult few years, during depths of the 2016 steel crisis, Tata sold the Scunthorpe long products division to private equity firm Greybull Capital for a nominal £1.
Greybull rebranded the company as British Steel.
British Steel's more recent troubles have been linked to a slump in orders from European customers ‎due to uncertainty over the Brexit process.
It has has also struggled with the weakness of the pound since the EU referendum in June 2016 and the escalating US-China trade war.
In a statement on Wednesday, Greybull said: "The turnaround of British Steel was always going to be a challenge, and yet the business overcame many difficulties and until recently, looked set for renewed prosperity.
"The workforce, the trade unions and the management team have worked closely together in their determination to strengthen the business. However, the additional blows dealt by Brexit-related issues have proven insurmountable."
The High Court appointed accountancy firm EY to the role of Special Manager, assisting the Receiver.
EY said the appointment of the Official Receiver followed "a number of weeks" of negotiations by management with the company's various stakeholders, including lenders, shareholders and the government, to secure the necessary funding to avoid an insolvency.
"Regrettably, these efforts were unable to secure a solution before the company's funding resources were exhausted."
How have customers reacted?
British Steel customer Network Rail sources 95% of its rails from British Steel's Scunthorpe plant.
In a statement, the rail infrastructure operator said it had been working closely with British Steel and the government for "many weeks".
"We have done what we can to help ease the company's financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company - increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule - as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow."
It is understood the company has enough stockpiles to keep it going until other suppliers can increase production.
What do the politicians say?
Business Secretary Greg Clark said the government had shown its "willingness to act", having provided the British Steel with a £120m bridging loan in April to meet EU emission rules and avoid a steep fine.
However, he added: "The government can only act within the law, which requires any financial support to a steel company to be on a commercial basis. I have been advised that it would be unlawful to provide a guarantee or loan on the terms of any proposals that the company or any other party has made."
Labour's shadow business secretary, Rebecca Long Bailey, called for the company to be nationalised.
She said: "The government must act quickly to save this strategically important industry and the livelihoods and communities of those who work in it, by bringing British Steel into public ownership.''
Nationalisation. Private steel companies can't compete with state-owned and subsidised equivalents in China.
This is not the type of Brexit people voted - resignation of May (she truly got the EXIT from the helm of BRITAIN, so she got her brexit)
They'll have to argue with ROI to try impose a hard border first. ROI will tell them to get stuffed, then they can either accept it, but more likely, knowing the EU, the will penalise ROI and then ROI might leave too. They did vote against the Lisbon Treaty after all.
Wait until the EU elections results come in, the EU goose is cooked.