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Saoudi Arabia want 100 to 200 rafales !
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Rafale, SCAF: Saudi Arabia's embryonic temptations
According to several concordant sources, Saudi Arabia is interested in the Rafale. At least a hundred aircraft, if not 200, have been mentioned. But the signing of a contract is still very hypothetical. The Saudis are also interested in the SCAF program, the future European fighter jet.
Will the Rafale ever land in Saudi Arabia? (Credits: Dassault Aviation)
This is still a very weak signal, carried by informal and preliminary low-key discussions between France and Saudi Arabia. According to corroborating sources, Riyadh seems to be interested in the Rafale, which is already flying in the Near and Middle East (Egypt and Qatar) and will soon be flying in the skies over the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The Saudis would not be insensitive to the fact that its neighbors have already bought the tricolor aircraft. This in itself is already a small thunderclap, as the kingdom has been the preserve of the Americans (F-15) and the British (Tornado and Typhoon) for over 50 years.
"Itar free", "German free
It is quite possible that Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier will make a discreet visit to Saudi Arabia in the next few weeks to verify whether Saudi interest in the Rafale is really solid. It should be remembered that in 2006, Paris tried everything to sell 72 Rafales by mutual agreement. But Jacques Chirac's nose was turned down, as Saudi Arabia ultimately chose the Typhoon, which was supported by London. If the Saudis are finally interested, some people are already talking about an order for at least a hundred Rafales, or even 200 aircraft. This is much more than the United Arab Emirates, which has ordered 80 Rafales for the sum of 16 billion euros (including armaments).
The Saudis have apparently sent some very clear messages to the French: they would like "itar free" and "german free" combat aircraft. Despite Olaf Scholz's visit to Saudi Arabia at the end of September, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman no longer wants to depend on Germany for armaments (Typhoon, ground armaments). It is true that Berlin imposed an embargo on arms exports to Riyadh implemented after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018. He is wary of the ruling coalition, which wants to tighten restrictions on international arms sales (outside European Union and NATO countries) in general, and in particular to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh is also wary of the United States in relation to Washington's long-term commitments in the Middle East.
Riyadh's interest in the SCAF
Finally, the Saudis, who are seeking to strengthen their strategic autonomy in order to reduce their technological dependence, also seem to be interested in the SCAF program. They could come aboard this project if it were to fail with Germany, and possibly participate in a Plan B in partnership with France. As with the Rafale, these discussions are very, very embryonic. But the current is flowing better through certain channels. This was not the case during the visit to Paris last July of the Crown Prince, who responded favorably to Emmanuel Macron's invitation.
Received at the Élysée Palace for a working dinner with Emmanuel Macron, Mohammed bin Salman left very unhappy at the end of this dinner where the French head of state would have discussed, among other things, human rights in Saudi Arabia. The president had to address individual cases as well as the general situation in the Kingdom. Two other subjects would have also irritated the crown prince, who finally left Paris in the wake while it was planned that he spend the night in his sumptuous residence in Louveciennes (Yvelines) where his close entourage was waiting for him. According to our information, Paris even had to fight to be able to publish a press release at the end of this visit, Riyadh not being favorable. So it will be a long, long road to the signing of a Rafale contract, which could just as well be a new French mirage in Saudi Arabia...
Read alsoDefense: Airbus and Dassault sign an agreement on the SCAF
Michel Cabirol
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Rafale, SCAF : les tentations embryonnaires de l'Arabie Saoudite
Selon plusieurs sources concordantes, l'Arabie saoudite s'intéresserait au Rafale. Au moins une centaine d'appareils, voire 200, sont évoqués. Mais la signature d’un contrat est encore très hypothétique. Les Saoudiens s'intéressent également au programme SCAF, le futur avion de combat européen.
www.latribune.fr
According to several concordant sources, Saudi Arabia is interested in the Rafale. At least a hundred aircraft, if not 200, have been mentioned. But the signing of a contract is still very hypothetical. The Saudis are also interested in the SCAF program, the future European fighter jet.
Will the Rafale ever land in Saudi Arabia? (Credits: Dassault Aviation)
This is still a very weak signal, carried by informal and preliminary low-key discussions between France and Saudi Arabia. According to corroborating sources, Riyadh seems to be interested in the Rafale, which is already flying in the Near and Middle East (Egypt and Qatar) and will soon be flying in the skies over the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The Saudis would not be insensitive to the fact that its neighbors have already bought the tricolor aircraft. This in itself is already a small thunderclap, as the kingdom has been the preserve of the Americans (F-15) and the British (Tornado and Typhoon) for over 50 years.
"Itar free", "German free
It is quite possible that Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier will make a discreet visit to Saudi Arabia in the next few weeks to verify whether Saudi interest in the Rafale is really solid. It should be remembered that in 2006, Paris tried everything to sell 72 Rafales by mutual agreement. But Jacques Chirac's nose was turned down, as Saudi Arabia ultimately chose the Typhoon, which was supported by London. If the Saudis are finally interested, some people are already talking about an order for at least a hundred Rafales, or even 200 aircraft. This is much more than the United Arab Emirates, which has ordered 80 Rafales for the sum of 16 billion euros (including armaments).
The Saudis have apparently sent some very clear messages to the French: they would like "itar free" and "german free" combat aircraft. Despite Olaf Scholz's visit to Saudi Arabia at the end of September, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman no longer wants to depend on Germany for armaments (Typhoon, ground armaments). It is true that Berlin imposed an embargo on arms exports to Riyadh implemented after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018. He is wary of the ruling coalition, which wants to tighten restrictions on international arms sales (outside European Union and NATO countries) in general, and in particular to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh is also wary of the United States in relation to Washington's long-term commitments in the Middle East.
Riyadh's interest in the SCAF
Finally, the Saudis, who are seeking to strengthen their strategic autonomy in order to reduce their technological dependence, also seem to be interested in the SCAF program. They could come aboard this project if it were to fail with Germany, and possibly participate in a Plan B in partnership with France. As with the Rafale, these discussions are very, very embryonic. But the current is flowing better through certain channels. This was not the case during the visit to Paris last July of the Crown Prince, who responded favorably to Emmanuel Macron's invitation.
Received at the Élysée Palace for a working dinner with Emmanuel Macron, Mohammed bin Salman left very unhappy at the end of this dinner where the French head of state would have discussed, among other things, human rights in Saudi Arabia. The president had to address individual cases as well as the general situation in the Kingdom. Two other subjects would have also irritated the crown prince, who finally left Paris in the wake while it was planned that he spend the night in his sumptuous residence in Louveciennes (Yvelines) where his close entourage was waiting for him. According to our information, Paris even had to fight to be able to publish a press release at the end of this visit, Riyadh not being favorable. So it will be a long, long road to the signing of a Rafale contract, which could just as well be a new French mirage in Saudi Arabia...
Read alsoDefense: Airbus and Dassault sign an agreement on the SCAF
Michel Cabirol
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
It makes France sound like a gun runner. Which they are not. They turned on their customer, Argentinian to support the UK in the Falklands.
There are clients, and there are allies (NATO, in this case). The colonels of the Argentine junta were clearly not allies (without being enemies; until they invaded a territory belonging to an allied country: the Falklands), nor were they strategic partners.
France has respected its alliances.
What is the problem?
Last I heard, Saudi Arabia isn't a NATO enemy.
Saoudi Arabia want 100 to 200 rafales !
Rafale, SCAF: Saudi Arabia's embryonic temptationsRafale, SCAF : les tentations embryonnaires de l'Arabie Saoudite
Selon plusieurs sources concordantes, l'Arabie saoudite s'intéresserait au Rafale. Au moins une centaine d'appareils, voire 200, sont évoqués. Mais la signature d’un contrat est encore très hypothétique. Les Saoudiens s'intéressent également au programme SCAF, le futur avion de combat européen.
According to several concordant sources, Saudi Arabia is interested in the Rafale. At least a hundred aircraft, if not 200, have been mentioned. But the signing of a contract is still very hypothetical. The Saudis are also interested in the SCAF program, the future European fighter jet.
Will the Rafale ever land in Saudi Arabia? (Credits: Dassault Aviation)
This is still a very weak signal, carried by informal and preliminary low-key discussions between France and Saudi Arabia. According to corroborating sources, Riyadh seems to be interested in the Rafale, which is already flying in the Near and Middle East (Egypt and Qatar) and will soon be flying in the skies over the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The Saudis would not be insensitive to the fact that its neighbors have already bought the tricolor aircraft. This in itself is already a small thunderclap, as the kingdom has been the preserve of the Americans (F-15) and the British (Tornado and Typhoon) for over 50 years.
"Itar free", "German free
It is quite possible that Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier will make a discreet visit to Saudi Arabia in the next few weeks to verify whether Saudi interest in the Rafale is really solid. It should be remembered that in 2006, Paris tried everything to sell 72 Rafales by mutual agreement. But Jacques Chirac's nose was turned down, as Saudi Arabia ultimately chose the Typhoon, which was supported by London. If the Saudis are finally interested, some people are already talking about an order for at least a hundred Rafales, or even 200 aircraft. This is much more than the United Arab Emirates, which has ordered 80 Rafales for the sum of 16 billion euros (including armaments).
The Saudis have apparently sent some very clear messages to the French: they would like "itar free" and "german free" combat aircraft. Despite Olaf Scholz's visit to Saudi Arabia at the end of September, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman no longer wants to depend on Germany for armaments (Typhoon, ground armaments). It is true that Berlin imposed an embargo on arms exports to Riyadh implemented after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018. He is wary of the ruling coalition, which wants to tighten restrictions on international arms sales (outside European Union and NATO countries) in general, and in particular to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh is also wary of the United States in relation to Washington's long-term commitments in the Middle East.
Riyadh's interest in the SCAF
Finally, the Saudis, who are seeking to strengthen their strategic autonomy in order to reduce their technological dependence, also seem to be interested in the SCAF program. They could come aboard this project if it were to fail with Germany, and possibly participate in a Plan B in partnership with France. As with the Rafale, these discussions are very, very embryonic. But the current is flowing better through certain channels. This was not the case during the visit to Paris last July of the Crown Prince, who responded favorably to Emmanuel Macron's invitation.
Received at the Élysée Palace for a working dinner with Emmanuel Macron, Mohammed bin Salman left very unhappy at the end of this dinner where the French head of state would have discussed, among other things, human rights in Saudi Arabia. The president had to address individual cases as well as the general situation in the Kingdom. Two other subjects would have also irritated the crown prince, who finally left Paris in the wake while it was planned that he spend the night in his sumptuous residence in Louveciennes (Yvelines) where his close entourage was waiting for him. According to our information, Paris even had to fight to be able to publish a press release at the end of this visit, Riyadh not being favorable. So it will be a long, long road to the signing of a Rafale contract, which could just as well be a new French mirage in Saudi Arabia...
Read alsoDefense: Airbus and Dassault sign an agreement on the SCAF
Michel Cabirol
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
This was a long time coming, especially since Biden threatened MBS.
Why talk about treason: the UK is also a client of France, and a country with which we have cooperative programmes. Moreover, the Falklands have never been Argentina, if we were to accept the annexation of the islands because of their geographical proximity, then France would claim Jersey and Guernsey and Turkey would be entitled to claim a large number of Greek islands? Which France does not want.
UK was decisiv durng WW1 and WW2. We can't forget old (but sometines harsh) friends even after a weapon deal. I'm proud we have made the choice to help UK during Falklands campaign.
Very bad Move.
What Was Macron trying to achieve/or Acheived?
WTF, are you taking about?
Knowing that MBS has a giant ego, what exactly was Macron thinking? OTOH France is probably one of the only western countries with a completely independent defense ecosystem & OTOH the US allied with your brother in arms across La Manche isn't wasting any opportunity to screw your happiness.Saoudi Arabia want 100 to 200 rafales !
Rafale, SCAF: Saudi Arabia's embryonic temptationsRafale, SCAF : les tentations embryonnaires de l'Arabie Saoudite
Selon plusieurs sources concordantes, l'Arabie saoudite s'intéresserait au Rafale. Au moins une centaine d'appareils, voire 200, sont évoqués. Mais la signature d’un contrat est encore très hypothétique. Les Saoudiens s'intéressent également au programme SCAF, le futur avion de combat européen.
According to several concordant sources, Saudi Arabia is interested in the Rafale. At least a hundred aircraft, if not 200, have been mentioned. But the signing of a contract is still very hypothetical. The Saudis are also interested in the SCAF program, the future European fighter jet.
Will the Rafale ever land in Saudi Arabia? (Credits: Dassault Aviation)
This is still a very weak signal, carried by informal and preliminary low-key discussions between France and Saudi Arabia. According to corroborating sources, Riyadh seems to be interested in the Rafale, which is already flying in the Near and Middle East (Egypt and Qatar) and will soon be flying in the skies over the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The Saudis would not be insensitive to the fact that its neighbors have already bought the tricolor aircraft. This in itself is already a small thunderclap, as the kingdom has been the preserve of the Americans (F-15) and the British (Tornado and Typhoon) for over 50 years.
"Itar free", "German free
It is quite possible that Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier will make a discreet visit to Saudi Arabia in the next few weeks to verify whether Saudi interest in the Rafale is really solid. It should be remembered that in 2006, Paris tried everything to sell 72 Rafales by mutual agreement. But Jacques Chirac's nose was turned down, as Saudi Arabia ultimately chose the Typhoon, which was supported by London. If the Saudis are finally interested, some people are already talking about an order for at least a hundred Rafales, or even 200 aircraft. This is much more than the United Arab Emirates, which has ordered 80 Rafales for the sum of 16 billion euros (including armaments).
The Saudis have apparently sent some very clear messages to the French: they would like "itar free" and "german free" combat aircraft. Despite Olaf Scholz's visit to Saudi Arabia at the end of September, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman no longer wants to depend on Germany for armaments (Typhoon, ground armaments). It is true that Berlin imposed an embargo on arms exports to Riyadh implemented after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018. He is wary of the ruling coalition, which wants to tighten restrictions on international arms sales (outside European Union and NATO countries) in general, and in particular to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh is also wary of the United States in relation to Washington's long-term commitments in the Middle East.
Riyadh's interest in the SCAF
Finally, the Saudis, who are seeking to strengthen their strategic autonomy in order to reduce their technological dependence, also seem to be interested in the SCAF program. They could come aboard this project if it were to fail with Germany, and possibly participate in a Plan B in partnership with France. As with the Rafale, these discussions are very, very embryonic. But the current is flowing better through certain channels. This was not the case during the visit to Paris last July of the Crown Prince, who responded favorably to Emmanuel Macron's invitation.
Received at the Élysée Palace for a working dinner with Emmanuel Macron, Mohammed bin Salman left very unhappy at the end of this dinner where the French head of state would have discussed, among other things, human rights in Saudi Arabia. The president had to address individual cases as well as the general situation in the Kingdom. Two other subjects would have also irritated the crown prince, who finally left Paris in the wake while it was planned that he spend the night in his sumptuous residence in Louveciennes (Yvelines) where his close entourage was waiting for him. According to our information, Paris even had to fight to be able to publish a press release at the end of this visit, Riyadh not being favorable. So it will be a long, long road to the signing of a Rafale contract, which could just as well be a new French mirage in Saudi Arabia...
Read alsoDefense: Airbus and Dassault sign an agreement on the SCAF
Michel Cabirol
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
To add to your misery your only partner in continental Europe happens to be The "good" German.
What a wonderful opportunity gone abegging? Won't be surprised if MBS turns to the Chinese or an perhaps an outsider's chance for SAAB just to spite the US and Europe.
Nobody knows what Macron is trying to do. He seems pathologically compelled to turn everything into a balancing act, the famous "en même temps" ("at the same time") verbal tic he is often mocked about.
This video should help you understand how Macron thinks:
Perhaps this:
Russia planned to attack Japan in 2021: leaked FSB letters
In August 2021, Russia was "quite seriously preparing for a localized military conflict with Japan," an FSB agent wrote in an email shared with Newsweek.
www.newsweek.com
On the #Rafale F5 programme:
- stealth
- drone piloting
- hypersonic missiles
- even more connectivity
This will clearly keep the aircraft at the cutting edge of technology and operational efficiency.
- stealth
- drone piloting
- hypersonic missiles
- even more connectivity
This will clearly keep the aircraft at the cutting edge of technology and operational efficiency.
yeah! But MBS is very petty and vindictive.
He might fund initial couple of billion dollars(In FCAS project) and then reneged it later on , Just to get even with macron/France.
LOl! Smells like a western propoganda.Perhaps this:
Russia planned to attack Japan in 2021: leaked FSB letters
In August 2021, Russia was "quite seriously preparing for a localized military conflict with Japan," an FSB agent wrote in an email shared with Newsweek.