Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

Negotiations around the sale of 12 Rafale to Serbia are closed.
An official agreement may be annouced the end of this moth following the travel of French President Macron to Belgrade.
 
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He's been a busy boy.
"Since 2021, he has held citizenship in four countries: Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, the United Arab Emirates, and France."
 
12 Rafale sold to Serbia. Done deal.
8th export deal for the bird. 3rd in Europe.

Mistral light missiles and Thales radar already part of the deal. The price for the 12 Rafale is 1.2 billions, so 100 million each.
No Meteor. It is unclear if these birds will be F3 (R probably) or F4.

Next deal the total quantity of Rafale ordered will be over 500.
 
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Serbia buys 12 Rafale jets from France's Dassault Aviation for 2.7 billion euros | Reuters

August 29, 2024

BELGRADE, Aug 29 (Reuters) - Serbia on Thursday signed a landmark agreement with France's Dassault Aviation (AM.PA)for the purchase of 12 new Rafale fighter jets for 2.7 billion euros ($2.99 billion).

The agreement, signed by Serbia's Defence Minister Bratislav Gasic and Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier, also includes a complete auxiliary logistics package, spare engines and parts, Serbia's President Aleksandar Vucic told a news conference.

"A dozen of brand new aircraft will be owned by Serbia ... this will contribute to a significant increase in the operational capabilities of our army," Vucic said.

"We are happy to become a part of the Rafale club."

The acquisition, made during French President Emmanuel Macron's visit to Belgrade, signals a major shift in Serbia's security and political stance, moving away from Russia, its traditional ally and weapons supplier.

Macron said Europe needs a strong and democratic Serbia, while Belgrade needs a "strong and sovereign EU."

"Choice of Rafale jets by Serbia is in this context a clear choice of long-term alliance between our two countries," Macron said.

The purchase of Rafales is the single biggest weapons deal since Serbia became independent from its state union with Montenegro in 2006.

Vucic said Serbia would pay two tranches of 421 million euros each in 2024 and 2025 for the planes.

He did not specify when Serbia would receive its first Rafales, but said they would be delivered with MICA air-to-air medium-range missiles manufactured by France's MBDA, instead of more sophisticated Meteor missiles which have longer range.

Belgrade curtailed military cooperation with Moscow after Russia invaded Ukraineand it has condemned the invasion, but unlike the EU, which it wants to join, and other Western countries, it has not imposed sanctions on Moscow.

Serbia's military and air force are loosely based on Soviet technology, but it has also purchased helicopters and transport planes from Airbus (AIR.PA), radars from Thales (TCFP.PA) and France's Mistral surface-to-air missiles.

Vucic also sought to assure that Serbia will not share Rafales technology with Moscow.

"We are not Russian spies to transfer technology, we paid for this with Serbian citizens' money," Vucic said.

Serbia also operates Chinese missiles and drones. Its defence budget amounts to around 2% of gross domestic product (GDP).

This is Macron's second meeting with Vucic this year and follows the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Belgrade in May, highlighting Serbia’s strategic position on the edge of the EU, with ties to the east and west.

The EU remains Serbia's single biggest investor and hundreds of thousands of Serbs work in Western-owned companies.

But Belgrade, which seeks to diversify its gas supplies, is also dependent on Russian gas and has the Kremlin's support in its opposition to the 2008 independence of Kosovo.

Before it joins the EU, Serbia would have to improve democracy, the rule of law and judiciary, root out corruption, red tape and organised crime and mend ties with Kosovo.

It must also align its foreign policies with those of Brussels, including the introduction of sanctions against Russia. /end
 
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Looks like the threat worked.

Free speech hypocrites.
What the hell are you talking about? How is this on topic?

If you believe in the wacky conspiracy theory that Ivan Popovich came up with the other day while working at his Saint-Petersburg offices, then no. The Emirates never threatened to cancel the Rafale deal. They never reacted to Durov's arrest. And you want to know the reason why Durov has been released from custody? It's because, by law, custody may only last a maximum of 96 hours. Holding someone in custody for longer than that is illegal. Durov remained 90 hours in custody. He couldn't be kept longer. This has everything to do with French law, and nothing to do with imaginary threats from the Emirates or whatever other idiocies came out from russian disinformation bots.
 
"Serbia is probably, after Belarus, the country whose security apparatus is most infiltrated by Russian services. The fact that France is selling them Rafales, I think the Serbs themselves can't believe it"


Lol, how desperate are the French?
12 birds is not enough to make us desperate.
Even 127 for India was not enough to ink a shaky agreement with India (MMRCA).

1) The export standart are not the same for all customer. A strong a fidele ally (as India) has a more potent weapon system than a new and low trustable one.... of course.
2) The core of the weapons system is uncopyable (it's an input data). On the same level, to have in hand a single crystal blade don't give you the keys to produce it on a serial basis.
3) If France has a serious suspicion of leak, the support of the bird will be locked so the bird unairworthy in the coming weeks. As F16E in UAE, Abrams in Egypt, etc....
 
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Not sure about the authenticity.

Respect for UAE if true.
Non le contrat pour l'achat d'avions de combat français Rafale aux Emirats arabes unis n'a pas été suspendu.

rfi.fr 28.08
(…)The fake news is based on a fake report using the logo of the Qatari channel Al Jazeera, which is widely followed in the Arab world. A text affixed to archive images announces the freezing of the contract for the purchase of 80 Rafale aircraft by the Emirates. (...) After checking, Al Jazeera never broadcast this report and no official channel or media considered reliable mentions this measure. However, according to our research, the fake report appeared for the first time this Tuesday, August 28, at the end of the day, on Russian-language Telegram channels, then on the site of an obscure African online media (…) /deepl

Please, check your sources better.
 
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Free speech hypocrites.
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech or opinion, or with so-called "hypocrisy". You're twice wrong (that's a record in so few words :ROFLMAO:).

It's about respect for the law.

Your own link (Have you even read it?):
France says Telegram CEO has been freed, will appear in court
(…) allegations against Durov, who is a French citizen, include that his platform is being used for child sexual abuse material, drug trafficking, fraud and abetting organized crime transactions (…)

Crimes, under French law (not according to Indian law?)

France being a democracy, french justice is autonomous: it will decide independently.

So what's your problem?

The owners of social networks and other media have a lot of power. But they are not above the law.

On the contrary, I think that holding so much power means taking responsibility for it.

What would you recommend if Durov had Indian citizenship, and Tgram let the LeT plot attacks on the J&K (for example)?

If there's still something you haven't understood, feel free to ask me.
 

Looks like the threat worked.

Free speech hypocrites.
There was no threat and he still has to attend court. He's literally been taken from custody to court.

 
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#desperateforwhat?

Did Morocco contract for French Rafale fighters?

Arab Defense Website August 31, 2024:

Cit/ The CEO of Dassault Aviation announced that there is a possibility To sign a deal to sell Rafale aircraft before the end of this year to another international customer.

After the sale of twelve Rafale aircraft to Serbia, a contract signed during French President Emmanuel Macron's visit to the country, the CEO of Dassault Aviation announced to the French radio
Europe 1 that a new potential contract may emerge by the end of the year with a new country.

Emmanuel Macron signed the purchase of twelve Rafale fighter jets with Serbia on Thursday, during his visit to Belgrade to conclude several economic agreements with this Balkan country. Serbia became the fourth country in Europe to equip itself with this advanced fighter aircraft after France, Greece and Croatia.

This new contract with Dassault Aviation demonstrates the strategic breakthrough between France and Serbia, which remains one of Moscow's last allies in Europe
[but not using the S-400 system, ahem].

The large contract between France and Serbia is estimated at around 2.7 billion euros for the Rafale aircraft, which will be delivered between 2028 and 2029. “This success will eventually lead us to success also in terms of numbers, with 507 aircraft ordered worldwide.

We will soon surpass the success of the Mirage 2000. At first, the Rafale did not find itself on the world market, it took time to entice the world’s armies,” said Eric Trappier.

The manufacturer revealed that it has entered into new negotiations with other countries.

“I think we can expect another contract before the end of the year,” said the CEO of Dassault Aviation. He said it would be a “real challenge” that would ensure the company’s sustainability.

The news comes at a time when French President Emmanuel Macron is due to visit Morocco after Paris recognized the Moroccan Sahara.


If the deal is in Morocco’s favor, it will likely be at the expense of the American F-15 EX fighter jet in order to diversify its sources of weapons
. (…)
 
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech or opinion, or with so-called "hypocrisy". You're twice wrong (that's a record in so few words :ROFLMAO:).

It's about respect for the law.

Your own link (Have you even read it?):
France says Telegram CEO has been freed, will appear in court
(…) allegations against Durov, who is a French citizen, include that his platform is being used for child sexual abuse material, drug trafficking, fraud and abetting organized crime transactions (…)

Crimes, under French law (not according to Indian law?)
Its "Alleged" by french police you ***. Any state can frame such thing to stifle freedom of speech. That how they try to get backdoor to the platform.

Didn't you African colonizers lump Putin in with the same brush when he jailed dissidents?

What would you recommend if Durov had Indian citizenship, and Tgram let the LeT plot attacks on the J&K (for example)?
Nice try. None of the charges are even comparable to terrorism or abetting insurgency.

The owners of social networks and other media have a lot of power. But they are not above the law.
And french are not above criticism. When your state try to stifle bend over and take the beating. We will call out any attack on FoE.

Honestly its easy to assume french surrenders eventually. Thus everyone fell for the ruse.
 
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