Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

Bon Plan said:
There is no system available to destroy a sparrow in flight (1800m/sec).
Afghanit is efficient (to be seen) against RPG and low speed bullet.
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It's meant to stop APFSDS also.

Bon Plan said:
Logistic? The actual operations in ukrainia are not a good exemple.
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Can't really count that. It's human error. They can always train more for it.

Bon Plan said:
Russian armies are made of a small node of very skilled troups (para troopers, special forces) and the mass is made of unskilled, unmotivate, low trained people. See also how many tanks and trucks seemed to have been abandoned (no fuel? tires break? crew afraid?)
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As per the Russians, most of the soldiers being used are trained contract soldiers, not conscripts. Putin recently said conscripts and reservists won't be used in Ukraine. Europe will face the same problem with reservists and drafted soldiers.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Putin Says Will Not Send Conscripts or Reservists to Ukraine - The Moscow Times

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday said he will not send conscripts or reservists to fight in Ukraine and that "professional" soldiers fulfilling "fixed objectives" were leading the war.
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Bon Plan said:
Mig41? what is that?
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PAK-DP. Their new near-space interceptor. It is said to be able to operate in the stratopause.

Bon Plan said:
Armata is so coslty Russia will only able to have few units, specially after west economic measures.
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Not at all. It is said to be 250-300 million rubles per tank. It's not expensive.
 
randomradio said:
The roles have been reversed, Europe is gonna have to enter the 2030s with a massive tech disadvantage.
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Russia largely depended on the West for high technologies. Electronics, optics, etc. this kind of things they are still far behind. Now they can't get them from us anymore. Their pilots also train less than 100 hours per year. They don't do high intensity training like the west does with exercises such as Red Flag. So their tech advantage will be negated by having to replace critical components by improvised alternatives, and they won't know how to use them.
randomradio said:
The roles have been reversed, Europe is gonna have to enter the 2030s with a massive tech disadvantage.
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Russia largely depended on the West for high technologies. Electronics, optics, etc. this kind of things they are still far behind. Now they can't get them from us anymore. Their pilots also train less than 100 hours per year. They don't do high intensity training like the west does with exercises such as Red Flag. So their tech advantage will be negated by having to replace critical components by improvised alternatives, and they won't know how to use them.
 
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Russia largely depended on the West for high technologies. Electronics, optics, etc. this kind of things they are still far behind. Now they can't get them from us anymore. Their pilots also train less than 100 hours per year. They don't do high intensity training like the west does with exercises such as Red Flag. So their tech advantage will be negated by having to replace critical components by improvised alternatives, and they won't know how to use them.
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No clue to what extent the Russians have indigenised their military industry. But there should be a backup plan for that. Even at the component level.

Yeah, they suffer from a training problem. But I don't think a lot of the combat in the 2030s with new generation stuff will require much rookie or experienced human input versus expert level. For the Russians, automation of both air and ground units is a pretty big priority. For example, air defence missions and dog fights using drones could become fully automated within 10 years. We already know that SEAD/DEAD is going semi-autonomous as well.

The BTG structure too is quite weird, to the point where a brigade with a mix of tank and IFV BTGs will have sufficient vehicles (41 tanks and 41 IFVs), but only have 280 fighting troops between them. So you can expect a lot of firepower to come in the form of UGVs and UCAVs to complement the troops.

Zapad 2021 saw the use of combat UGVs.
www.stripes.com

Zapad military drills showcase Russian unmanned robots’ battlefield breakthrough

Two remote-controlled vehicles were deployed during Russia’s weeklong Zapad joint military exercises with Belarus, which are set to conclude Thursday.
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Today it's probably a mix of remote control and semi-autonomous capability, but it's still 2022.

Combine UGVs with Russia's lack of ethical self-restraint, you know the result.
 
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Bon Plan said:
Don't forget russian GDP is somewhere those of Spain or Italy.
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But the weapons are cheap. 250M rubles today is $2M. Assuming the cost of oil is $100 for the year, for the 5M barrels they export, they will get $182.5B this year. Building 1000 Armatas a year would cost them $2B a year. At 20M per jet, they can quite literally build 500 Su-57s a year for $10B a year. Imagine if they fully automate both in the 2030s. This doesn't count all their other exports, like gas and minerals.

Otoh, imports will fall due to fall in consumption, people will get poorer, but it doesn't matter since the govt gets richer. We are likely to see Russia generate a massive trade surplus once the situation stabilises, which will fund their military modernisation, and it is frankly not very expensive.

The West has successfully made WW3 realistic.

Bon Plan said:
The main problem is not to break the sparrow, but to detect it with the proper accuracy.
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The Armata has a mix of 2 IR detectors and 2 AESA radars in the front.

nationalinterest.org

Russia's New Armata T-14 Tank Has a Secret Weapon

While information is somewhat scarce, patents available online and various “PowerPoint” type diagrams have given some picture of how formidable the full defensive suite of the Armata might be.
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March24,
6 addictional Rafale for the Greek Air Force
www.dassault-aviation.com

Greece acquires six additional new Rafale - Press kits

Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, and Vice-Admiral Aristidis Alexopoulos, Director General of Armaments and Investments of the Greek Ministry of Defence, signed in Athens, in the presence of Mrs. Florence Parly, French Minister of the Armed Forces, and Mr. Nikolaos...
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Your favourite content creator is back, sweetie , with a video on your favourite fighter after the F-35 in easy to understand English spoken in an accent with subtitles in English full of the usual gaffes but intelligible to autistic & dyslexic retards like you .

Btw you seem to be wildly inconsistent in marking your presence here . Today was at 7:55 am San Diego time . Please maintain a fixed time slot to mark attendance here & be punctual. @WHOHE
 
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Finally, I prefer that our BPCs have been sold to Egypt rather than to Russia. We would have looked smart if we had seen the two BPCs off Odessa conducting an air-sea landing operation.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Ah the Mistral class . But why're you so anxious to fight someone else's war ?

Haven't you guys learnt anything from your intervention in Syria & Libya & the whole refugee crisis in Europe including France ? Or you don't mind a whole host of Ukrainians landing on your doorstep do you ?
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But I have just expressed my satisfaction that we did not sell Russia a way to wage war more effectively. This is a psychological position contrary to the one you are attributing to me.
 
Picdelamirand-oil said:
But I have just expressed my satisfaction that we did not sell Russia a way to wage war more effectively. This is a psychological position contrary to the one you are attributing to me.
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The other aspect would be if Russia, feeling emboldened by having Mistrals, tried an amphibious assualt and lost them... would be pretty bad for the French export market of these vessels.
 
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