Eurofighter Typhoon - Updates and Discussions

[BMD]

"Germany is to equip its Eurofighter combat aircraft with the MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missile, the government revealed on 17 January ... [T]he Luftwaffe intends to acquire 274 of the low-yield missiles with a contract to be awarded in [Q2] of 2024."https://t.co/JfhjC5UqDa

— Guy Plopsky (@GuyPlopsky) January 23, 2024

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/germany-to-equip-eurofighters-with-brimstone

 

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India and France don't have anything like it in operation.

I'm not going to answer for India but only for France, and what's more, it's only my opinion.

It's true that we don't have anything of this kind, any more than the US does, but the US may have this project because they feel they have to monitor the world situation 24 hours a day. We don't feel that way, but we do want to be able to deploy a relevant system in a possible theatre of operation. To achieve this, we're thinking more in terms of a network of drones with multi-static radars than satellites. This is the direction in which the FCAS programme is working.

 

[randomradio]

Civilians Doesn't buy Jets, Military-Govt Do.

In many countries, civilian decisions also influence choice. For example, Gripen E won the first Swiss deal, but civilians canceled the deal via referendum.

Furthermore, star military capabilities are used by bureaucrats and politicians to further national goals outside the country. These guys mostly go by civilian knowledge. It also puts pressure on military personnel who are not knowledgeable in these matters. For example, even if the Rafale ends up being better, a Pak Army Colonel on the ground may still have more fear for the F-35 and make him act far more cautiously.

Otoh, the enemy overestimating their own capabilities works better for us. A PLAGF Colonel may take more risks and make mistakes on the ground assuming the J-20's superiority over the Rafale.

So there's a soft spot between deterrence and estimation at play here. We want everybody to know what we have works, so we are taken seriously, but we want some capabilities secret so we can achieve surprise.

 

[randomradio]

Nah, you did get suckered. The F-35 nations got their aircraft, you spent money on a non-stealth turd project and ended up with nothing.

We trained our engineers in making stealth designs on the cheap. We were involved in the design of the IL-276 as well. Can you even imagine how much we gained out of all that? You'd be stupid to believe these are things that are taught for money.

 

[randomradio]

Read what you posted:



That's ground based, which was a lower priority than hypersonic airborne threats. They're currently fielding fire control satellites.

You mean to say tracking air targets is harder than ground targets? Really? Return all of your degrees, including your high school certification. Start from scratch.

That link mentions GMTI, but the constellation will also provide AMTI. The "A" stands for "air."

SDA's latest Tracking Layer contract includes 6 'fire control' sats - Breaking Defense

An SDA official explained that the six "preliminary fire control" satellites in Tracking Layer Tranche 2 will carry a mix of wide-field-of-view and medium-field-of-view infrared cameras.

breakingdefense.com

India and France don't have anything like it in operation.

That's not radar.

A lot of what we do is buried under civilian tasks.

Here's an example--
A satellite with the French.

TRISHNA (Thermal infraRed Imaging Satellite for High-resolution Natural resource Assessment) - eoPortal

<p>Thermal InfraRed Imaging Satellite for High-resolution Natural resource Assessment (TRISHNA) is a joint development by the French Space Agency (CNES) and Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO). The satellite will join the Franco-Indian fleet for use in climate monitoring and operational...

www.eoportal.org

That's long, mid and short wave detectors.

 

[RASALGHUL]

We trained our engineers in making stealth designs on the cheap. We were involved in the design of the IL-276 as well. Can you even imagine how much we gained out of all that? You'd be stupid to believe these are things that are taught for money.

What are you talking about?

 

[randomradio]

What are you talking about?

Indians were sent to Russia for training design engineers who then made the paper designs of FGFA and IL-214 alongside Russian designers before they were both canceled.

 

[BMD]

I'm not going to answer for India but only for France, and what's more, it's only my opinion.

It's true that we don't have anything of this kind, any more than the US does, but the US may have this project because they feel they have to monitor the world situation 24 hours a day. We don't feel that way, but we do want to be able to deploy a relevant system in a possible theatre of operation. To achieve this, we're thinking more in terms of a network of drones with multi-static radars than satellites. This is the direction in which the FCAS programme is working.

Let's be honest, France can't field such a system. The reason the US has it is for establishing a fire control satellite network that allows RVs and HGVs to be targeted, first with ABMs (GBI, SM-3, GPI) and later with space-based beam weapons. Good luck trying to fly any enemy aircraft after that point.

Pentagon Wants to Test A Space-Based Weapon in 2023

Defense officials have asked for $304 million to fund research into space-based lasers, particle beams, and other new forms of missile defense next year.

www.defenseone.com

 

[BMD]

You mean to say tracking air targets is harder than ground targets? Really? Return all of your degrees, including your high school certification. Start from scratch.

That link mentions GMTI, but the constellation will also provide AMTI. The "A" stands for "air."

Tracking HGVs is easier due to heat signature and closer proximity to satellite array. The AMTI will come first. GMTI is a lower priority, because you have air superiority you can use aircraft GMTI.

That's not radar.

A lot of what we do is buried under civilian tasks.

Here's an example--
A satellite with the French.

TRISHNA (Thermal infraRed Imaging Satellite for High-resolution Natural resource Assessment) - eoPortal

<p>Thermal InfraRed Imaging Satellite for High-resolution Natural resource Assessment (TRISHNA) is a joint development by the French Space Agency (CNES) and Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO). The satellite will join the Franco-Indian fleet for use in climate monitoring and operational...

www.eoportal.org

That's long, mid and short wave detectors.

It's good enough for fire control whatever it is, so whether it's a radar or not is moot.

We trained our engineers in making stealth designs on the cheap. We were involved in the design of the IL-276 as well. Can you even imagine how much we gained out of all that? You'd be stupid to believe these are things that are taught for money.

Yet you still have exactly zero stealth aircraft.

You helped design a cargo plane? SFW!? You need to gain knowledge on how to build a f*cking cargo plane, yet you supposedly send satellites to the moon by yourself? You make no sense... ever.

 

[randomradio]

Tracking HGVs is easier due to heat signature and closer proximity to satellite array. The AMTI will come first. GMTI is a lower priority, because you have air superiority you can use aircraft GMTI.

The US would like both as of yesterday.

It's good enough for fire control whatever it is, so whether it's a radar or not is moot.

It needs to be radar.

Yet you still have exactly zero stealth aircraft.

We will get ours before you do.

You helped design a cargo plane? SFW!? You need to gain knowledge on how to build a f*cking cargo plane, yet you supposedly send satellites to the moon by yourself? You make no sense... ever.

It matters. We gained experience in programs we have never done. That's not something money can buy. The benefits far outweigh the price we paid.

We may send satellites to the Moon and Mars, maybe even design space shuttles, but we still import rifles. Welcome to the Third World.

 

[BMD]

The US would like both as of yesterday.

And yet no one else has either.

It needs to be radar.

Well the link says for fire control, so it either is radar or it can do what radar does.

SDA's latest Tracking Layer contract includes 6 'fire control' sats - Breaking Defense

An SDA official explained that the six "preliminary fire control" satellites in Tracking Layer Tranche 2 will carry a mix of wide-field-of-view and medium-field-of-view infrared cameras.

breakingdefense.com

We will get ours before you do.

We already have ours, again you make no sense.

It matters. We gained experience in programs we have never done. That's not something money can buy. The benefits far outweigh the price we paid.

How can you not know how to build a cargo plane?

We may send satellites to the Moon and Mars, maybe even design space shuttles, but we still import rifles. Welcome to the Third World.

You're saying you can do 4th order differential equations but can't do addition and subtraction then?

 

[randomradio]

And yet no one else has either.

Exactamundo. You claimed they did. The point being everybody knows what it takes, and you can bet the French will take precautions against such capabilities on the F5.

Well the link says for fire control, so it either is radar or it can do what radar does.

No, it uses IR. That can also be used for fire control.

We already have ours, again you make no sense.

It's an import, not a development. Yours is Tempest. Ours is AMCA.

How can you not know how to build a cargo plane?

We have never done it, we are not expecting to do it anytime soon either. And you missed the part that we were in the FGFA as well.

You're saying you can do 4th order differential equations but can't do addition and subtraction then?

Yes. Some R&D labs in India are more successful than others. And in some cases, the capability doesn't/didn't even exist. Like designing a stealth plane and a cargo plane in 2010.

 

[BMD]

Exactamundo. You claimed they did. The point being everybody knows what it takes, and you can bet the French will take precautions against such capabilities on the F5.

The US have a partial system in place at least. It's tranche 2 that's going in place now:

Space Development Agency Awards L3Harris $919 Million Contract to Build Satellites for Missile Tracking Program

L3Harris Technologies received a contract with a potential value of up to $919 million to design and build 18 infrared space vehicles for the Space Development Agency’s (SDA) Tranche 2 (T2) Tracking Layer program that will provide near-global missile warning and tracking coverage.

www.l3harris.com

No, it uses IR. That can also be used for fire control.

The f*cking link says it can, READ!

SDA's latest Tracking Layer contract includes 6 'fire control' sats - Breaking Defense

An SDA official explained that the six "preliminary fire control" satellites in Tracking Layer Tranche 2 will carry a mix of wide-field-of-view and medium-field-of-view infrared cameras.

breakingdefense.com

It's an import, not a development. Yours is Tempest. Ours is AMCA.

We contributed 10%, which is likely more than what you will contribute to your first stealth fighter, AND we actually have it, you do not.

We have never done it, we are not expecting to do it anytime soon either. And you missed the part that we were in the FGFA as well.

Whopdeedoo, a cheap, non-stealth Su-57 knock-off.

Yes. Some R&D labs in India are more successful than others. And in some cases, the capability doesn't/didn't even exist. Like designing a stealth plane and a cargo plane in 2010.

 

[randomradio]

The US have a partial system in place at least. It's tranche 2 that's going in place now:

No, it doesn't. At best a TD or prototype, like the NISAR.

The f*cking link says it can, READ!

This is getting dumb. IR can provide fire control. You can use IRST to cue and kill targets even on fighter jets.

We contributed 10%, which is likely more than what you will contribute to your first stealth fighter, AND we actually have it, you do not.

No, it's just the American BAE, meaning all employees are American Green Card holders or citizens. All Britian has done is contribute money and repatriate profits. There is no real British IP on the F-35. It's all American IP.

Whopdeedoo, a cheap, non-stealth Su-57 knock-off.

Except it is stealth.

 

[BMD]

No, it doesn't. At best a TD or prototype, like the NISAR.

Tranche 2 indicates an existing Tranche 1 ability.

This is getting dumb. IR can provide fire control. You can use IRST to cue and kill targets even on fighter jets.

I never said it definitely was or wasn't radar, only that whatever it was it could provide fire control against aerial targets including HGVs. You're arguing with yourself. You were the one who said it has to be radar remember.

Eurofighter Typhoon - Updates and Discussions

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www.strategicfront.org

No, it's just the American BAE, meaning all employees are American Green Card holders or citizens. All Britian has done is contribute money and repatriate profits. There is no real British IP on the F-35. It's all American IP.

How British is the F-35?

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

And no this does not include BAE SYSTEMS inc (US) otherwise it would also include things like the AN/ASQ-239 EW suite. As regards the LM EOTS, Selex UK provided the laser targeting system.

Except it is stealth.

TBD but if looks like an Su-57 it ain't.

 

[randomradio]

You were the one who said it has to be radar remember.

AMTI for fighter jets, genius. We were discussing about detecting fighter jets from space. IR won't cut it, it has to be radar.

How British is the F-35?

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

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And no this does not include BAE SYSTEMS inc (US) otherwise it would also include things like the AN/ASQ-239 EW suite. As regards the LM EOTS, Selex UK provided the laser targeting system.

Lol, that's just production in Britain. And I only see Chobham and Martin Baker on it. BAE UK only produces those STOVL parts for the US. In India, we produce Apache fuselages, that doesn't make it Indian.

The EW suite is produced by Americans in America.

TBD but if looks like an Su-57 it ain't.

Sure, sure.

 

[BMD]

AMTI for fighter jets, genius. We were discussing about detecting fighter jets from space. IR won't cut it, it has to be radar.

That's what you think. I can't confirm or deny either way.

Lol, that's just production in Britain. And I only see Chobham and Martin Baker on it. BAE UK only produces those STOVL parts for the US. In India, we produce Apache fuselages, that doesn't make it Indian.

Nope, refer back to the picture. Again, BAE (US) is not included, because they make the AN/ASQ-239.

https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/product/f-35

The EW suite is produced by Americans in America.

Yes, which is why it's not on that picture.

Sure, sure.

You don't even have a model or working radar mockup of it yet.

 

[Ashwin]

MoD paid millions into Saudi account amid BAE corruption scandal​

Documents show officials stressing need to ‘keep the Saudis on side’ after revelations about notorious al-Yamamah deal

No wonder Saudis operate such a high number of British-origin equipment.

 

[BMD]

Airbus greenlights Saab to put Arexis sensor suite, with 'AI platform', on German Eurofighters - Breaking Defense

Micael Johansson, Saab's CEO, said that "combining advanced hardware and AI-enabled software, our Arexis sensor suite will strengthen the German defence with future-proof electronic warfare capability for decades to come."

breakingdefense.com

 

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Eurofighter to offer laserdisc, carphone and Betamax video for Typhoon​