French Military aviation update and discussion
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A little bit offtopic, if the French is so confident then why not ask the USA to leave Balkans and Germany, and ask for removing F-22 deployment from Germany, and say we deploy Rafale as we are Europeans, wtf Americans doing here. We protect the Balkans with our super-duper Rafales.
But na, they are more interested in doing gung ho in defense forums that how Rafale is superior than F-22, instead of doing actual deployments.
Because they are one .
They are all Europeans and they see the bigger advantage than insecurity .
They had one disasterous war and they dont want to reapeat that one.
So are you suggesting, they don't do any wargaming or exercise and don't believe in protecting your own interests, and don't want to do any actual deployments, but they are still superior while blaming Americans? How is that possible?
ISIS directly killed French people, and if still, their citizens are not asking for true retribution, then there is some problem. And BTW, the person who was responsible for the Paris attacks, Al Baghdadi was killed by Americans, not the French.
NATO was literally crying for F-22 deployment against Russia, and then audacity to claim that Rafale is superior to F-22. on what grounds, imaginary one? Imaginary wars don't happen, you have to bleed blood.
Because french may be a powerful opponent for many European countries, but against Russia they won't have a chance.
Bit off topic also.
Do you actually think IAF can challenge the PLAAF they way they toying with PAF,?
In Balkans they are challenging the Russians.
And Russia is not Italy .
They are in different league altogether
seriously , what are you going to do with nuclear forces? every time there is a airspace violation by russians drop a nuke on them?
Dont think France has enough resources to defend europe, all that french might do is line their pockets and drink nice wine.
Angela can do without your fine dining I suppose.
Other euro countries simply dont think France has the power projection capability that US has. Frankly I dont think France can even take on pakistan of europe , Turkey.
It's interesting to know how biased and poorly informed you are.
Why are you sharing this poorly written article? What the sharing actually means? Like NATO sharing? How it is something new? France as the country is bound by a treaty agreement and as P5 nation to protect your allies, I still don't get it why are you quoting me into this? Are you implying following your obligations under the treaty agreement in something new for France?
Or are you implying France dropped the concept of "tactical nuclear"? If that so, I have nothing but to laugh at you, please ask your buddies in CFSA the meaning of French nuclear deterrence. They are quite clear about these things, they don't believe in the holier than thou BS that you trying to portray.
And they are absolutely right about it in protecting the national interests of France. Thank god, French nuclear command is with those guys, you are lucky.
And please this is Tejas thread.
And I don't know what serves the purpose for you guys with these posts? Who are you trying to convince, I am not a citizen of France, nor I hold any allegiance toward France. If it serves Indian interests, I will be the first one to say throw France under the bus.
If you guys are happy with "holier than thou" NatSec, then who I am to say.
But I have every right to do analysis on France for us, so we as Indians don't make the same mistakes that France has done or doing.
And I don't know what serves the purpose for you guys with these posts? Who are you trying to convince, I am not a citizen of France, nor I hold any allegiance toward France. If it serves Indian interests, I will be the first one to say throw France under the bus.
If you guys are happy with "holier than thou" NatSec, then who I am to say.
But I have every right to do analysis on France for us, so we as Indians don't make the same mistakes that France has done or doing.
Didn't you ask the question?
The first step before asking this question is to ensure strategic security, and it is this security that Macron proposed.
So are you suggesting following your obligation under NATO and as P5 nation is a proposed thing now? You are far behind bud.
France has enough force to protect the French in every part of the globe, but not Europe. Just the French elites becoming idiots with the euphoria of the EU, and going with holier than thou BS like some above post from our french friends. Europeans except for brits (as they are brother in arms)just hate Americans, even though security ties are so deep. This nonsense of F-22 vs Rafale is only one part of that psyche.
But German Forces are shit as hell, even Saudis forces perform far better than them.
It was you who derailed the conversation by attacking the French for no reason here.
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
Why the US used F/A 18 SH in Syria (instead of F-22), and achieved one of the best high tempo mission in history of aviation. Why MiG 21 were doing CAP missions on morning of 27th Feb 2019? And why French Air Force gone gung ho in Syria, but had to roll down high tempo mission within a month...
We finally figured it out on our own. But the reasons remain obscure
[/QUOTE]It was you who derailed the conversation by attacking the French for no reason here.
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
Why the US used F/A 18 SH in Syria (instead of F-22), and achieved one of the best high tempo mission in history of aviation. Why MiG 21 were doing CAP missions on morning of 27th Feb 2019? And why French Air Force gone gung ho in Syria, but had to roll down high tempo mission within a month...www.strategicfront.org
Because you asked for it. Here
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
Why the US used F/A 18 SH in Syria (instead of F-22), and achieved one of the best high tempo mission in history of aviation. Why MiG 21 were doing CAP missions on morning of 27th Feb 2019? And why French Air Force gone gung ho in Syria, but had to roll down high tempo mission within a month...
So what you want? I should start to ignore your posts?
And even though given proof from your own govt website, you started to dodge questions. Accepting shortcomings need courage. And i have no interest in attacking French (what I achieve by that? you guys are not even brits
), if you think telling/discussing shortcomings is about attacking French, then best of luck to you in improving French forces, because when the real attacks come, these fairytales not going to work.If you are saying you figured it out, then you are not. Definitely not, 110% not. Even Americans unable to figure that out, leave alone French. But if you believe so then good for you.
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oh dear why dont you educate us then on how France plans to replace US. For a start why dont you let us know how France will respond to Russian air space violations?
Why would I be biased we have no stake in the game. No doubt French do can push diplomatic buttons but without military heft nothing much can be done. Last time Russia took over crimea all that french could do is cancel a military deal.
Oh yes, and what has the USA been able to do? After all, they are in charge for the moment, we just want to set up an organisation where they won't be in charge anymore.
My question was a technical question about a fact you were reporting, namely: We, French, had to roll down high tempo mission within a month.Because you asked for it. Here
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
Why the US used F/A 18 SH in Syria (instead of F-22), and achieved one of the best high tempo mission in history of aviation. Why MiG 21 were doing CAP missions on morning of 27th Feb 2019? And why French Air Force gone gung ho in Syria, but had to roll down high tempo mission within a month...
I was expecting you to explain to me that we hadn't had enough material to meet our objectives, or that the availability hadn't been good enough, or other similar explanations. But you have provided me with two links allowing a comparison between the operations carried out by the Americans and those carried out by France.
For me this comparison was not at all shameful, firstly because American military power is hypertrophied beyond the reasonable and with an absolutely deplorable performance on the ground, and secondly if Europe can be compared to the USA, France can be compared to California, but no more, and we therefore do not have the pretension of competing with the USA. Moreover, the USA are in Syria to defend their interests and not to defend ours.