French Military aviation update and discussion

My question was a technical question about a fact you were reporting, namely: We, French, had to roll down high tempo mission within a month.

I was expecting you to explain to me that we hadn't had enough material to meet our objectives, or that the availability hadn't been good enough, or other similar explanations. But you have provided me with two links allowing a comparison between the operations carried out by the Americans and those carried out by France.

For me this comparison was not at all shameful, firstly because American military power is hypertrophied beyond the reasonable and with an absolutely deplorable performance on the ground, and secondly if Europe can be compared to the USA, France can be compared to California, but no more, and we therefore do not have the pretension of competing with the USA. Moreover, the USA are in Syria to defend their interests and not to defend ours.
My point was only regarding the Indian NatSec, that is not my job, neither I want, to point out faults or shortcomings in French Forces. That is the job of people of France, people like you.
It doesn't matter what I say wrt to France if you are satisfied with the result of French AF, then good for you guys.

But if you want me to put myself in your shoes and think as French, I won't be satisfied with OP Chammal. That was inadequate. and looked like politicians achieving brownie points, instead of getting true retribution. After 9/11, the US flattened out 2 countries, killed OBL, that's how the advanced economy achieve true retribution.

I dont want to go into numbers or details of the performance of French AF, because I am pretty sure you guys already have it. And if you are still unable to find the problem, then what I say about it.

But if IAF performs like it in our next long-duration high-tempo mission, I say it "pathetic".
 
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For Daesh, the French are "more dangerous" than the Americans

BY LAURENT LAGNEAU JANUARY 17, 2016

In the recent special issue published by Le Monde and France Infos sur le jihadisme, we can read a very interesting interview given by the Franco-American anthropologist Scott Atran. This research director at the CNRS and the École normale supérieure was indeed interested in the way of thinking of the fighters of the Islamic State (EI or Daesh) and especially in the idea they have of them. themselves and their adversaries.

For this, Scott Atran traveled to Iraqi Kurdistan with a colleague, Lydia Wilson, and Doug Stone, a retired American general who served in Iraq under the orders of General Petraeus. This is how he met Kurdish fighters and Daesh jihadists taken prisoner, to whom he made pass some tests.
The latter thus highlighted that the identity of the jihadists merges with that of the organization to which they belong.

The jihadists “have only one identity, that of their group, for which they are ready to fight and die. Jihadist groups are characterized by their ability to merge and by a set of values, which makes them extremely powerful, ”explains the anthropologist.

Regarding the representation that jihadists have of themselves, the results obtained are not surprising: the group effect makes them see themselves superior to their opponents on the physical and spiritual levels. " Not surprisingly , IS fighters think they are very strong and their enemies are weak," said Scott Atran.

But the jihadists do not see all their adversaries in the same way. For them, Iranian fighters (and probably Shiites, by extension) are the most serious. As for the Americans, they consider them "physically strong and spiritually weak".

And the French? Well, according to this researcher, Daesh fighters believe they are "more dangerous than Americans". And this, because of the fear they have of French aviation.

“When we listen to Daesh's walkie-talkie conversations intercepted by the Kurds, we understand why. The IS is more afraid of the French Rafale which it nicknames the 'black pigeons', because their strikes are systematic ”, advance Scott Atran.

“When the French bomb, they do not leave until they have reached their targets. Usually the Americans only raid and often arrive too late to hit their target because they need to get a legal deal first, ”the researcher added.

Note that the Rafale are not the only aircraft engaged against Daesh: the Mirage 2000D / N and the Super Étendard Moderninés (SEM) are also in high demand in current operations.
 
Oh yes, and what has the USA been able to do? After all, they are in charge for the moment, we just want to set up an organisation where they won't be in charge anymore.
hmm so you are saying USA dint do anything and neither did french, fair enuf. Which simply means maintaining status quo, well thats what rest of the euro is saying there will be no change in leadership as well.
 
SKYROS : Une mission d’entraînement exceptionnelle aux Émirats arabes unis

SKYROS: An exceptional training mission in the United Arab Emirates

Updated : 29/01/2021
From 24 to 28 January 2021, the Airmen deployed as part of the SKYROS mission made a stopover in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) where the Air and Space Forces (AAE) is permanently stationed. During this stopover, the crews had the opportunity to take part in an air exercise focusing on the Entry Force*, mobilising 41 aircraft, including ten French Rafale aircraft.

"It's been years since I've seen so many planes in the air," says Lieutenant-Colonel (LCL) Cyril, head of the Rafale detachment during the SKYROS mission, with a smile on his face. On 26 January, 41 aircraft of all types took off in the skies over the Persian Gulf and reached, in less than 10 minutes, an air combat training area 200 nautical miles long and 100 wide, offering exceptional training conditions. The UAE Air Warfare Center (AWC) was on the manoeuvre. This structure, in which French personnel were incorporated, concocted the scenario for this exercise with a complex tactical framework.

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"The four Rafales and the A330 MRTT taking part in SKYROS took part in a COMAO** (Composite air operations) alongside six Rafales from the 1/7 "Provence" Fighter Squadron, four American F15s and an A330 MRTT, two Gulfstream A660s, a "Predator" UAV, two Apache helicopters, four Emirati F16s and four Mirage 2000-9s and two teams of advanced air traffic controllers (JTACs - Joint Terminal Attack Controllers)", explains LCL Cyril. Together they formed the allied force, known as the "blue air". They had to deal with air threats from the "red air", the opposing force, composed of four F16s, four Mirage 2000-9s, two F15s and two Emirati Apache helicopters and various real ground-to-air systems, auguring high intensity fighting.

The mission of the day: to simulate deep strikes on targets protected by a Patriot ground-to-air defence system while providing close air support to allied ground troops.

To do this, each raid player has a well-defined role. The first to enter enemy airspace are responsible for acquiring air superiority as quickly as possible, they are called the sweeps. They are in charge of destroying or repelling all air-to-air threats to allow the bombers, called the strikers, to reach their range of fire in order to neutralise the assigned target(s). However, in a strongly defended territory, acquiring air superiority also means protecting against all ground-to-air threats. This is why aircraft dedicated to the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) mission are used. Often positioned in the middle of the Raid, other aircraft are also in the swing role. These omnirrole fighters juggle air-to-air combat and ground attack, a notorious speciality of the Rafale.

The helicopters' mission is to provide close air support (CAS) to allied ground troops. Without defence, fighter aircraft are necessarily dedicated to their protection. Such a mission can last a few hours and, to guarantee sufficient time in the area for the fighter aircraft, the air tank is essential. This is where the Phoenix comes into play. It is positioned far from all enemy threats. As for the A660, as an airborne lookout, its job was to collect intelligence.

In this high spectrum of air conflicts, all this manoeuvring, these missions within the mission, must be orchestrated to the second. It is necessary to be able to adapt to all the different scenarios envisaged during preparation and briefing. Therefore, a conductor at the head of the raid is necessary and it is the 1/7 "Provence" which has been designated to arm the role of the Mission Commander (head of mission).

After an hour and 15 minutes of hard fighting, the blue and red men returned to dry land. Once landed, the participants attended the debriefing given by the AWC. With the help of dedicated software, the recording of the mission was projected onto a giant screen. This way, all those involved were able to visualise the battle minute by minute. The crews then became aware of the number of aircraft in flight during the mission. The key points of the training were identified so that lessons could be learnt from the day's tactical choices, and even from the mistakes made. We are very satisfied with this mission," says LCL Cyril. We were able to benefit from the co-location of all these aircraft and actors, the preparation resources offered by the AWC and the size of the Emirates' flight zones.
 
France Orders ‘Cheetah’ Helicopters For Its Armed Forces; How Different Is It From 'World-Record Holder' Indian Cheetah?

The French propose to replace 5 classes of heptrs for different roles in the Army, Navy & AF with just one class. How wise is this given their different roles & classes? @Picdelamirand-oil
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New French Guépard (which can be translated as cheetah)

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Indian Cheetah
France has the same approach with helicopters as with the Rafale: the Rafale replaced 7 types of aircrafts, the Guépard will replace 5 types of helicopters.
 
Mission SHIKRA: force projection to Djibouti for the Rafale, Mirage 2000 and A330 MRTT

Called Shikra, this mission includes several distant operations, mainly focused on denial of access (A2/AD) and force projection several thousand kilometres away. Exercises involving a wide variety of aircraft, such as the Mirage 2000, Rafale, A400M or A330 MRTT.


Operation Marathon: first phase towards Reunion Island
On 5 January, two Rafale B F3-R of the French Strategic Air Force (FAS) took off from the 113 Saint-Dizier-Robinson air base (Haute-Marne, France) to join an A330 MRTT tanker. The three aircraft then headed for La Réunion (DROM-COM, Indian Ocean). The 8,800 km were flown without a technical break, thanks to refuelling by the A330 MRTT.


Operation Minotaur: A second phase towards Djibouti
On 10 January, two Rafale B (two-seater version of the omnirole fighter), two Mirage 2000-5 (single-seater fighter), three Mirage 2000D (two-seater fighter-bomber) and an A330 MRTT took off from France to Djibouti Air Base 188 (East Africa), a direct flight of more than 5,000 km.


As they approached Djibouti, a high-intensity warfare exercise began: the Rafale B, Mirage 2000-5 and Mirage 2000D aircraft practised a "go first" mission (destruction of enemy air defences), while an opposing air force was also represented by the Djibouti-based Mirage 2000-5s and the two FAS Rafale that had arrived from Reunion (Operation Khamsin). This exercise, focused on denial of access (A2/AD) and power projection, will notably test the Rafales during "entry first" operations, a mission successfully carried out in theatres of operation.


Once the exercise is over, some of the aircraft will make a stopover in Cairo (Egypt) to train with the Egyptian Air Force, which also uses the Dassault Rafale. The Shikra mission is scheduled to end on 3 February 2022.

A global objective: a rapid long-range projection capability
After proving its ability to deploy three Rafales, two A330 MRTTs and two A400Ms to Tahiti in 39 hours (see our detailed article on this event), the French Air Force is continuing to increase its force projection capability, with a goal of being able to project 20 Rafales and 10 A330 MRTTs over 20,000 km in less than 48 hours by 2025.
 
Theoretically you can. It's very rare that problems erupt overnight. Besides French interests are restricted to its overseas territories. In other cases , it's going to be a multilateral effort if it comes to that .
20 Rafale is just to wait for more forces: 2 days for 20 Aircrafts with initial support (MRTT) (which can be renewed), 3 days for A 400 M carrying supports, 5 to 15 days for Carrier aircraft, 5 to 15 days for BPC with Helos and support like in Mali and one year for allied support... :cool:
 

The French Ministry of Armed Forces published a report about the French Armed Forces and their equipment for the year 2021, in accordance with the commitments of the military programming law (LPM) 2019-2025.

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List of the French Air and Space Force current equipment in 2021 01
Rafale fighter jet (Picture source: Dassault)


In 2021, in accordance with the French Military Planning Law, the defence budget reaches up to 39.2 billion euros, which represents 1.7 billion euros more than a year ago and 7 billion euros more than back in 2017. These 39.2 billion euros are dedicated to preparing the French armed forces to address tomorrow’s challenges and to fulfill their primary duty, which is protecting the French people and territory.



Combat aircraft:

- 98 Rafale (omnirole)
- 66 Mirage 2000 D (conventional assault)
- 40 Mirage 2000-5 and 2000 C (air defence)
- 7 Mirage 2000 B (These seven Mirage 2000 B are used for the conversion mission of Mirage 2000 D and Mirage 2000-5)

Transport aircraft:

- 6 C160R Transall (tactical transport)
- 14 C130 Hercules (tactical transport)
- 2 C130-J-30 Super Hercules (tactical transport)
- 2 KC130-J (tactical transport and tanker)
- 27 CN235 (tactical transport light)
- 18 A400M Atlas (tactical transport with strategic range)


List of the French Air and Space Force current equipment in 2021 02
A400M (Picture source: Airbus)


Support aircraft:

- 11 C135FR and KC135 (tanker)
- 4 A330 Phénix (strategic tanker and transport)
- 4 E-3F SDCA (airborne detection command and control)
- 2 C160G (electromagnetic intelligence gathering)
- 2 ALSR (light surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft)

Liaison aircraft:

- 7 A330, Falcon 7X, Falcon 900 and Falcon 2000 (for governmental use)
- 20 TBM 700 and DHC6 (liaison)

Training aircraft

- 17 Pilatus PC-21
- 53 Alphajet (fighter pilots' training)
- 22 Xingu (transport pilots' training)

Presentation teams:

- 18 Alphajet Patrouille de France
- 3 Extra 300/330

Helicopters:

- 40 Fennec (Air defence - air security active measures)
- 10 Caracal (Combat, Search and Rescue)
- 23 Super Puma and Puma (Transport, Search and Rescue)

UAVs:

- 12 Reaper


List of the French Air and Space Force current equipment in 2021 03
Reaper block 5 MALE drone operated by the French Air and Space Force (Picture source: French Armed Forces)


Ground-to-air weapon systems:

- 12 Crotale NG 12
- 8 SAMP “Mamba”

SCCOA 4 Radars:

- 7 GM 200, GM 403, GM 406 and TRS 2215 radars
 
So is that just the ASMP-A itself, or a modernised version of the ASMP-A?
 
So is that just the ASMP-A itself, or a modernised version of the ASMP-A?
A modernised version of the ASMP-A.
The ASMP-A is operational:
The transition scenario from ASMP to ASMPA was initial entry into service on the K3 standard of the Mirage 2000N and subsequently on the F3 standard Rafale. The Mirage 2000 N is now retired and the F3R standard replace F3.
 
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A modernised version of the ASMP-A.
The ASMP-A is operational:
The transition scenario from ASMP to ASMPA was initial entry into service on the K3 standard of the Mirage 2000N and subsequently on the F3 standard Rafale. The Mirage 2000 N is now retired and the F3R standard replace F3.
So next question, what are the improvements? Or are they all classified?
 

In 2021, in accordance with the French Military Planning Law, the defence budget reaches up to 39.2 billion euros, which represents 1.7 billion euros more than a year ago and 7 billion euros more than back in 2017. These 39.2 billion euros are dedicated to preparing the French armed forces to address tomorrow’s challenges and to fulfill their primary duty, which is protecting the French people and territory.



Combat aircraft:

- 98 Rafale (omnirole)
- 66 Mirage 2000 D (conventional assault)
- 40 Mirage 2000-5 and 2000 C (air defence)
- 7 Mirage 2000 B (These seven Mirage 2000 B are used for the conversion mission of Mirage 2000 D and Mirage 2000-5)
They forgot the 40+ Rafale M, Atlantic 2 and other marine birds.