French Navy upgrade and discussion

@halloweene, @Bon Plan, @Picdelamirand-oil is this the correct procedure for dealing with an ASW helicopter attack for French submarines?


Overall it was a decent film but this has to be one of the dumbest scenes in movie history, and those helicopter bullets, air rifle pellets presumably.
Yes. Most stupid way of dealing with ASW choppers. Plus see the amount of shouting going on inside the sub. Best part is the halo is supposed to have a dunking sonar but it has anti tank missiles attached and not torpedo.
 
@halloweene, @Bon Plan, @Picdelamirand-oil is this the correct procedure for dealing with an ASW helicopter attack for French submarines?


Overall it was a decent film but this has to be one of the dumbest scenes in movie history, and those helicopter bullets, air rifle pellets presumably.

Was the attack helicopter pilot shooting with a 9mm? Like, sticking his hand out and everything? That's some kick*ss aim.

Since it's an Iranian helicopter, it's obvious its weapons don't work, hence the handgun.
 
Was the attack helicopter pilot shooting with a 9mm? Like, sticking his hand out and everything? That's some kick*ss aim.

Since it's an Iranian helicopter, it's obvious its weapons don't work, hence the handgun.
In the scenario of the film, the Iranians want the French to reactivate the acoustic signature of an old Russian submarine that the Iranians bought and with which they later want to simulate the launch of a nuclear ballistic missile in order to start a nuclear war. So the helicopter should not destroy the submarine, but only scare it. After that it goes wrong for the helicopter, but it's a movie.
 
In the scenario of the film, the Iranians want the French to reactivate the acoustic signature of an old Russian submarine that the Iranians bought and with which they later want to simulate the launch of a nuclear ballistic missile in order to start a nuclear war. So the helicopter should not destroy the submarine, but only scare it. After that it goes wrong for the helicopter, but it's a movie.
For me the funniest part was when they couldn't cancel the launch. And the guy with the rocket launcher was called 'Grandchamp'.
Was the attack helicopter pilot shooting with a 9mm? Like, sticking his hand out and everything? That's some kick*ss aim.

Since it's an Iranian helicopter, it's obvious its weapons don't work, hence the handgun.
They couldn't afford the usual 23mm autocannon, so they replaced it with a Tokarev and a wire. Kind of funny they targeted France with the mock missile though.

Also of amusement was the part where they tried shoot down the SLBM with a Crotale missile, that launched and went along the sea and was represented on the computer by an Exocet. Even Airwolf was more accurate than this.

It was a good film nonetheless, but they could have made it far more accurate with a little research.
 
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For me the funniest part was when they couldn't cancel the launch. And the guy with the rocket launcher was called 'Grandchamp'.

They couldn't afford the usual 23mm autocannon, so they replaced it with a Tokarev and a wire. Kind of funny they targeted France with the mock missile though.

Also of amusement was the part where they tried shoot down the SLBM with a Crotale missile, that launched and went along the sea and was represented on the computer by an Exocet. Even Airwolf was more accurate than this.

It was a good film nonetheless, but they could have made it far more accurate with a little research.

It's good to know that even the French make Bollywood films.
 
If it was a Bollywood film Grandchamp would have stood on top of the Eiffel Tower with a rocket launcher and shot down the SLBM.
If you asked the French, they would have the same to say about you in the film Dunkirk.

@Ashwin

I've a good mind to make up a scenario based on The Hunt for The Red October in the Russian Navy thread & provoke a discussion going into multiple pages. Hope you won't relegate it to the Off Topic section.
 
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If it was a Bollywood film Grandchamp would have stood on top of the Eiffel Tower with a rocket launcher and shot down the SLBM.

Nope.

Instead... This is a very famous meme in India.

The film starts with the kidnapping of three nuclear scientists by Pralayanath Gendaswami (Deepak Shirke) as he plans to build nuclear missiles for an invasion of India.

Suryadev foils Pralayanath's missiles by taking out the fuse conductors and guns him down.



We won't shoot down the missile. That requires financial expenditure on the CGI after firing the missile. We'll simply remove the "fuse conductor" before the missile is fired.

But nothing's gonna beat this, ever.
 
If you asked the French, they would have the same to say about you in the film Dunkirk.

@Ashwin

I've a good mind to make up a scenario based on The Hunt for The Red October in the Russian Navy thread & provoke a discussion going into multiple pages. Hope you won't relegate it to the Off Topic section.
You should make your own naval warfare film to show us how it's done - Le Chant du Poubelle.
 

Turkey wants French apology over Mediterranean warships incident

ReutersJuly 2, 2020, 11:21 AM GMT+1

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow
BERLIN (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday Turkey expects France to apologise after an incident between Turkish and French warships in the Mediterranean prompted Paris to request a NATO investigation.

Relations between the NATO members have soured over the Libya conflict, where Turkey supports the internationally recognised government and accuses Paris of backing the eastern-based forces of Khalifa Haftar who tried to capture Tripoli.

France denies backing Haftar's offensive on the capital, and accused Turkish warships of aggressive behaviour after its own warship tried to inspect a vessel in June that it suspected was violating a UN arms embargo on Libya.

"France should apologize to us instead of confronting Turkey with wrong information. France supported the wrong side in Libya," Cavusoglu said during a news conference in Berlin.

Libya has been split since 2014 between rival factions in Tripoli, home to the internationally recognised Government of National Accord (GNA), and in the east, where Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA) holds sway.

Cavusoglu was speaking in Berlin alongside Germany's Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who called for "constructive dialogue" to resolve the differences between France and Turkey, and appealed for a return to ceasefire talks in Libya.

"At the moment we would like those (countries) that have a large amount of influence on one of two conflict players to encourage them to return to the table," he said.



You could roshambo them for it. @Picdelamirand-oil, @Bon Plan, @halloweene, @randomradio, @vstol Jockey, NOT @ _Anonymous_
 

Turkey wants French apology over Mediterranean warships incident

ReutersJuly 2, 2020, 11:21 AM GMT+1

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow
BERLIN (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday Turkey expects France to apologise after an incident between Turkish and French warships in the Mediterranean prompted Paris to request a NATO investigation.

Relations between the NATO members have soured over the Libya conflict, where Turkey supports the internationally recognised government and accuses Paris of backing the eastern-based forces of Khalifa Haftar who tried to capture Tripoli.

France denies backing Haftar's offensive on the capital, and accused Turkish warships of aggressive behaviour after its own warship tried to inspect a vessel in June that it suspected was violating a UN arms embargo on Libya.

"France should apologize to us instead of confronting Turkey with wrong information. France supported the wrong side in Libya," Cavusoglu said during a news conference in Berlin.

Libya has been split since 2014 between rival factions in Tripoli, home to the internationally recognised Government of National Accord (GNA), and in the east, where Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA) holds sway.

Cavusoglu was speaking in Berlin alongside Germany's Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who called for "constructive dialogue" to resolve the differences between France and Turkey, and appealed for a return to ceasefire talks in Libya.

"At the moment we would like those (countries) that have a large amount of influence on one of two conflict players to encourage them to return to the table," he said.



You could roshambo them for it. @Picdelamirand-oil, @Bon Plan, @halloweene, @randomradio, @vstol Jockey, NOT @ _Anonymous_
Nuts !
 
PANG: What We Know About France’s Future Aircraft Carrier

By Bastille day (July 14), the French President is expected to green light the PANG (Porte Avion Nouvelle Generation or new generation aircraft carrier) program. A positive decision on the program (its formal launch) makes little doubt now, given the many statements made by French officials in recent weeks inferring that the program will effectively go ahead. Euronaval 2018, the Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, kicked off the study phase for the French Navy’s future aircraft carrier, which would succeed to the Charles de Gaulle in the 2030ies / early 2040ies time frame. The announcement by Macron would effectively start the program with detailed design followed by the construction.


Several carrier configurations (conventional or nuclear-powered among other things) have been submitted to Emmanuel Macron for review. The French President will have the final word, based on recommendations by experts in the field. Of course the choice will not be limited to technical capabilities. Total cost of ownership and impact on the French shipbuilding industry (and jobs) are expected to be major decision factors as well, especially in these times of uncertainty due to the pandemic. President Macron will also have to decide whether the PANG program is limited to a single replacement of the sole Charles de Gaulle nuclear-powered aircraft carrier or if the program calls for the construction of two flat-tops from the get go.


Before sharing some details on what the “PANG” will likely look like (keeping in mind several caveats, starting with the fact that nothing is certain until Macron makes his official announcement), let’s look at some of the statements made in the past few weeks by key official
 
PANG: What We Know About France’s Future Aircraft Carrier

By Bastille day (July 14), the French President is expected to green light the PANG (Porte Avion Nouvelle Generation or new generation aircraft carrier) program. A positive decision on the program (its formal launch) makes little doubt now, given the many statements made by French officials in recent weeks inferring that the program will effectively go ahead. Euronaval 2018, the Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, kicked off the study phase for the French Navy’s future aircraft carrier, which would succeed to the Charles de Gaulle in the 2030ies / early 2040ies time frame. The announcement by Macron would effectively start the program with detailed design followed by the construction.


Several carrier configurations (conventional or nuclear-powered among other things) have been submitted to Emmanuel Macron for review. The French President will have the final word, based on recommendations by experts in the field. Of course the choice will not be limited to technical capabilities. Total cost of ownership and impact on the French shipbuilding industry (and jobs) are expected to be major decision factors as well, especially in these times of uncertainty due to the pandemic. President Macron will also have to decide whether the PANG program is limited to a single replacement of the sole Charles de Gaulle nuclear-powered aircraft carrier or if the program calls for the construction of two flat-tops from the get go.


Before sharing some details on what the “PANG” will likely look like (keeping in mind several caveats, starting with the fact that nothing is certain until Macron makes his official announcement), let’s look at some of the statements made in the past few weeks by key official

One would think they will build 2 large flat-tops and also expand CdG's remaining life by 15 more years.
 
Any chances of us joining the project?? Of all countries IMO French are best for strategic partnership.

Unlikely.

With COVID, I'm sure our carrier and fighter jet plans will be delayed for a bit. Especially given more funds are needed for the IA and IAF for the next few years. The CDS is also against the carrier plan as of now.

Even if we do, we have our own plans, although the French will definitely be consulted along with the Americans.
 

Turkey wants French apology over Mediterranean warships incident

ReutersJuly 2, 2020, 11:21 AM GMT+1

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu speaks during a joint news conference following talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Moscow
BERLIN (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday Turkey expects France to apologise after an incident between Turkish and French warships in the Mediterranean prompted Paris to request a NATO investigation.

Relations between the NATO members have soured over the Libya conflict, where Turkey supports the internationally recognised government and accuses Paris of backing the eastern-based forces of Khalifa Haftar who tried to capture Tripoli.

France denies backing Haftar's offensive on the capital, and accused Turkish warships of aggressive behaviour after its own warship tried to inspect a vessel in June that it suspected was violating a UN arms embargo on Libya.

"France should apologize to us instead of confronting Turkey with wrong information. France supported the wrong side in Libya," Cavusoglu said during a news conference in Berlin.

Libya has been split since 2014 between rival factions in Tripoli, home to the internationally recognised Government of National Accord (GNA), and in the east, where Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA) holds sway.

Cavusoglu was speaking in Berlin alongside Germany's Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, who called for "constructive dialogue" to resolve the differences between France and Turkey, and appealed for a return to ceasefire talks in Libya.

"At the moment we would like those (countries) that have a large amount of influence on one of two conflict players to encourage them to return to the table," he said.



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Maybe we apologized like this: French Rafale destroyed Turkish air defense system in Al-Watiya airbase.

 
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