Future Combat Air System (FCAS) - France/Germany

I have received a reply to my new letter:

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The President of the Republic has received the new letter that you wished to send him.

Mr Emmanuel MACRON, attentive to the concerns that you express, has entrusted me with the task of ensuring that you are aware of them.

I have also informed the Minister of Europe and Foreign Affairs of your request and he will keep you directly informed of any follow-up action that may be taken.

Yours sincerely

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It's good to know you've an attentive leadership . In most countries such suggestions are often ignored.
 
What was the letter you sent to him?
Mr. President,

I took the liberty of writing to you in 2017 to suggest that you offer India assistance for the development of its AMCA. Your office kindly replied to me by a letter dated 27 July referenced below.

I would like to write to you again to submit the idea of extending this approach by proposing to India a development similar to that of the Franco-Hispano-German SCAF, in the event that the latter does not lead to conditions acceptable to all parties.

Although I am sure that your services could justify this approach, I have attached to this letter the starting conditions which seem to me to allow for negotiation and an argumentation in favour of this cooperation.

Please accept, Mr. President, the expression of my most respectful sentiments.
 
What has changed?

The F-35 buy is now a certainty. The Bundestag is asking for more P-8. If anything, Germany is even more pro-American MIC than before. They know their own industry cannot provide what they need to rebuild their army; and they also know that they cannot admit the French industry is better than theirs, so their only recourse is to choose the American industry.
They may choose F35 as a stop gap.
One thing is interestng to see : where are the americans to day? Except a 10 minutes speach of Biden yesterday, uncle Sam is quiet (it is probably better like that).
The europeans are seeing they are too weak, and that they need to rely on themselves. I hope so.
I have received a reply to my new letter:

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The President of the Republic has received the new letter that you wished to send him.

Mr Emmanuel MACRON, attentive to the concerns that you express, has entrusted me with the task of ensuring that you are aware of them.

I have also informed the Minister of Europe and Foreign Affairs of your request and he will keep you directly informed of any follow-up action that may be taken.

Yours sincerely

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Is it possible to have the original letter? Your letter? maybe not publicly...
 
They may choose F35 as a stop gap.
One thing is interestng to see : where are the americans to day? Except a 10 minutes speach of Biden yesterday, uncle Sam is quiet (it is probably better like that).
The europeans are seeing they are too weak, and that they need to rely on themselves. I hope so.

Is it possible to have the original letter? Your letter? maybe not publicly...
Why?
 
Thales réalise la meilleure année commerciale de son histoire
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Thales achieves best ever trading year


The aerospace and security company has seen a spectacular rebound in business from 2020, with order intake up 18% to €19.9 billion last year. Its profitability is such that, for the first time in its history, the group is buying back shares. In the absence of immediate opportunities for external growth.

By Anne Bauer Published on March 3, 2022 at 5:21 PM

Thales reported on Thursday a 125% increase in consolidated net profit to €1.09 billion from €483 million in 2020 and a 185% increase in free cash flow to more than €2.5 billion from €1 billion. The year 2020, marked by the covid pandemic and containment periods, had been marked by the aviation crisis. However, this spectacular rebound goes far beyond the mere recovery of air traffic, and therefore the recovery of the avionics business linked to Airbus deliveries.

Last year, the company achieved a turnover of 16.2 billion euros, up by 5.3% over one year. Above all, it recorded an 18% increase in its order intake, all sectors combined, to €19.9 billion, an all-time record.
 
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They may choose F35 as a stop gap.
One thing is interestng to see : where are the americans to day? Except a 10 minutes speach of Biden yesterday, uncle Sam is quiet (it is probably better like that).
The europeans are seeing they are too weak, and that they need to rely on themselves. I hope so.

Is it possible to have the original letter? Your letter? maybe not publicly...

I don't think it's weakness. Biden wants Europe to step into the limelight.
 
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Getting the European security budget up to speed was always the American agenda since the end of Bush Jr. Trump was very vocal about it.

Ok Trump was vocal about it, but also was an isolationist jackass, that suggested USA wouldn't defend the Baltics or Japan or would pull out of NATO.

Basically the sum of all the dumbest decisions America has ever made, and it's not over yet !

We're getting off topic here.

Germany will buy the F-35, but no doubt give France the cart blache on FCAS. We might see a plane by the 2030's instead of the 2050's.
 
Ok Trump was vocal about it, but also was an isolationist jackass, that suggested USA wouldn't defend the Baltics or Japan or would pull out of NATO.

Basically the sum of all the dumbest decisions America has ever made, and it's not over yet !

We're getting off topic here.

Trump was pretty decent at foreign policy, tried using the anti-Japan tactic on China as well. Yeah, his opposition to NATO was a bit on the dumb side, but I don't think he would break security treaties. Taiwan otoh, different game. He was just pro-business, anti-war, not really suitable for the US. The Democrats are rabidly anti-Putin.

Germany will buy the F-35, but no doubt give France the cart blache on FCAS. We might see a plane by the 2030's instead of the 2050's.

Yeah, I agree with that, although @A Person has a different opinion.

The F-35s are definitely the better option over the SH, they actually need warfighting capability, not an ornament to get fat off of. And I believe France will convince them of the urgency of finishing the development of FCAS quickly and as cheaply as possible.
 
The US have been ambivalent about European military strength for a long while. On the one hand, they want Europe to pick up the slack and take care of Russia so that America can complete its Pivot to Asia and focus on China. On the other hand, they're afraid of relinquishing the control that Europe's weakness has given them through NATO. There's been a lot of talks that sway in the former direction but the acts that followed remained firmly in the latter.
Germany will buy the F-35, but no doubt give France the cart blache on FCAS. We might see a plane by the 2030's instead of the 2050's.
A leopard can't change his spots. Can a German? I'll believe it when I see it.
 
The US have been ambivalent about European military strength for a long while. On the one hand, they want Europe to pick up the slack and take care of Russia so that America can complete its Pivot to Asia and focus on China. On the other hand, they're afraid of relinquishing the control that Europe's weakness has given them through NATO. There's been a lot of talks that sway in the former direction but the acts that followed remained firmly in the latter.

A leopard can't change his spots. Can a German? I'll believe it when I see it.
Not much clued into EU or European politics but I'm guessing Russia's move on Ukraine has woken up a lot of people sleeping under the US security blanket including ze Germans.

If France & Germany can achieve unity of purpose in driving NATO's policies & take upon them European security while de emphasising US role in it , I think both NATO & EU would go a long way . I don't see a better time to do it than now with the Trojan Horse out of the equation in at least as far as the EU goes .

Both France & Germany can leverage this strength in driving NATO as well assuming UK tries it's usual tactics. But this is surely going to end up in friction with the US . How that will be reconciled remains to be seen as the US would be loathe to giving up the driver's seat in NATO or European politics but more than the US , UK will be sick to it's miserable core to see France & Germany designing & setting up the new security architecture in Europe.
 
USA wants to deemphasize NATO. In 2014, EU leaders were asking for more NATO engagement. Obama was basically like meh. And that let to Ukraine invasion.

4 presidents in a row pivot to Asia. Biden is finally the one to make it last.

How soon do those forget, that the EU was an American project with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy all pushing for an EU army.

Anyways, we want to pull out of Europe in the medium term. Short term looks like more commitment. But the Germans and Russian underperformance means USA is actually free to focus on the Pacific even more.


Putin 'Overestimated' Russia's Military in Ukraine, But He's Still a Threat, Air Force Secretary Says​


Ah yes, when you overestimate your military against Ukraine.

Russian military propaganda was indeed strong. Too bad the fear is forever gone from the ruskies.


Build the EU army and build it Grande!

Indians are crazy if we they think we don't want this. Hell I trust EU more than I trust USA rn with all the orange rednecks
 
The US have been ambivalent about European military strength for a long while. On the one hand, they want Europe to pick up the slack and take care of Russia so that America can complete its Pivot to Asia and focus on China. On the other hand, they're afraid of relinquishing the control that Europe's weakness has given them through NATO. There's been a lot of talks that sway in the former direction but the acts that followed remained firmly in the latter.

The decision is likely focused on the former, whereas actions demonstrate the latter because Europe is yet to wake up and prepare. The US can divert a lot more funds to the Pacific, so I believe they are aiming for self-preservation.
 
Indians are crazy if we they think we don't want this. Hell I trust EU more than I trust USA rn with all the orange rednecks

I actually support it, I'd prefer the US reorient even more while the EU builds its own new force. I even want the main Euro powers to double the size of their navy. It would allow the US to bring more of their navy into the Pacific.

What Europe needs is a pan-European army, supported by the USAF. This way, Europe contributes and the US still keeps quite a bit of its influence due to air presence.
 
I actually support it, I'd prefer the US reorient even more while the EU builds its own new force. I even want the main Euro powers to double the size of their navy. It would allow the US to bring more of their navy into the Pacific.

What Europe needs is a pan-European army, supported by the USAF. This way, Europe contributes and the US still keeps quite a bit of its influence due to air presence.
If all the European nations just form a join Navy and Airforce, their combined power will be more than enough to take on Russia multiple times.

Doubling is not required. They just need to ensure that their existing plans are implemented and manpower issues are resolved.
 
The Russian armed forces have revealed to have been hobbled by mismanagement and corruption. So their impressive numbers on papers get a lot less impressive when the supply trucks' tires explode because they've been left parked outside without moving for over a full year. Also the morale of their troops is low because they've been kept in the dark about this "military intervention that's not a war, you go to jail if you say it's a war" right to the point where they were sent to cross the border. They don't understand what they're doing and why they're doing it.

However, despite all that, yes, Russia is absolutely still a threat. Can you take the gamble that their strategic forces (i.e. nuclear-tipped ICBMs) are at the same level of mismanagement and disarray? Maybe they are, but maybe they aren't. Dirty Vlady is asking us if we're feelink lucky.

What Europe needs is a pan-European army, supported by the USAF. This way, Europe contributes and the US still keeps quite a bit of its influence due to air presence.
A pan-European army would not be in any way practical. You've got to keep in mind that the European Union is not a nation-state. It's a sui generis union of independent nation-states. It's not a federation like the USA or India. So something where you need the agreement of all 27 member states to deploy a unit would just be a nightmare. By the time all the red tape is gone through, the enemy has already won the war.

Something that could work instead is having some sort of European defense headquarters that coordinates the troops that have been deployed by their respective countries. However, such a thing has always been blocked under the pretext that it'd be redundant with NATO. Even though there are EU countries not in NATO, and NATO countries not in the EU.

Honestly, the only functional way I can see of having troops from all EU countries operating effectively is to just have them join the French Foreign Legion. But this puts the financial burden squarely on France.

Dassault aviation's CEO is losing patience
I think this is the end of the Franco-German SCAF and the beginning of the 100% french made SCAF.
Yes, of course he's fed up. Who wouldn't be?

I wish I could just swap up the German negotiation team for the SCAF with the German negociation team for the F-35. It'd be nice to see the Lockheed guys having to listen to the insane prattle about how Germany wants to be in charge of manufacturing and maintenance and to have full intellectual property over every system and subsystem and to be able to veto any export contract and and and and and; while the Dassault guys get interlocutors who just say "jawohl" to everything sight unseen.