you have a reading comprehension problem. It is clear what he is saying. IOC 2050
Future Combat Air System (FCAS) - France/Germany
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Sorry friend but its clear FOC, read it carefully “definitive standard and the armed forces take it into account, you will have operational planes in 2050”. Until FOC its not definitive standard by account of armed forces. However, i dnt have any problem whatever way you like to comprehend it.
only in a parallel universe.“For the NGF, we said, roughly speaking: 'first aircraft in 2040'. In reality, as we are falling far behind, it will be after 2040 for an initial standard. And by the time there is a definitive standard and the armed forces take it into account, you will have operational planes in 2050”, warned the CEO of Dassault Aviation, who said he was waiting for the signature of Airbus.
U mean first production aircraft to FOC cannot be attained in 10 years??
“For the NGF, we said, roughly speaking: 'first aircraft in 2040'. In reality, as we are falling far behind, it will be after 2040 for an initial standard. And by the time there is a definitive standard and the armed forces take it into account, you will have operational planes in 2050”, warned the CEO of Dassault Aviation, who said he was waiting for the signature of Airbus.
Tell him what they are saying on the frog media. I was being generous with IOC in 2050. That's if it goes ahead at all.
By the standard of the F-35, FOC is like Zeno's Paradox. It takes so much time to reach that when the goal posts have moved in the meantime to avoid obsolescence ("tech refresh" is the word they use).
The FCAS will be the same, though that will be mostly due to having to wait on the Germans to agree; which they never do because they will always complain that they want to pay less and receive more. They'd pay 0% and receive 100%, they'd still complain that they want to pay -100% and receive 200%.
The FCAS will be the same, though that will be mostly due to having to wait on the Germans to agree; which they never do because they will always complain that they want to pay less and receive more. They'd pay 0% and receive 100%, they'd still complain that they want to pay -100% and receive 200%.
An unworkable deal will not go through.
In any case, Richard Aboulafia attempts to make a case for you:
Why a Franco-German Fighter Jet Is a Bad Idea
Paris would be rewarded with greater profits and fewer headaches by going it alone.
foreignpolicy.com
Weirdly, any mention of Spanish participation is nothing but a footnote.
Our mirage can't use the hammer. While the tejas can employ basically every Israeli pgm and hammer and jdam as well as the russian fab series. We haven't even integrated the scalp-eg' on the mirage which the Greek have already done. What's the point when we can't even use the best the French have to offer and wasting our money upgrading them.
Just get the UAE and the retired french mirages we can scale it up to around 100 Mirages. Also we are already establishing an MRO facility for the Mirages so the maintenance issue is solved if I'm not wrong. That automatically solves half our problem.
We can do with the Mirages similar to what pakistan did with its mirage 3 and 5's under project R.O.S.E.
We get around 100 multirole fighters easy. While side by side inducting tejas mk 1 and mk 2. We need atleast 1000 combat aircrafts to tackle a two front war. And getting second hand Mirages which basically outperform everything in the PAF barring the j-10's should be good enough. They can even take out Chinese flankers and early model j-10's along with j-8 and j7
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The IAF is not interested in doing that. Plus they are either too old or unavailable. MRFA is the road forward.
The huge gap is technological maturity of west and us. AMCA is a catch up game to a fifth generation level. While we catch up they won't stand still. We can only close gap in next few decades.
Among west only US has matured 5th gen program and they have been working on it since 40 years. Rest of west i.e. Europe is far behind US. So its same catch up for them as well as us. Yes today europe have a more experienced and matured industry than us but after LCA mk2 & TEDBF we will be at par i.e. this decade only. JV for jet engine will also make us equal to them in terms of jet engine tech. After that SCAF, Tempest & AMCA mk2 will have same capabilities. At the most AMCA mk2 may lag 4-5 yrs behind them if some major hurdles are encountered or we show some inefficiency.
That's because you equate 5th gen with stealthy looks. These are marketing terms made up to sell these to politicians.
France is not going to share with us SCAF level of engine tech 
. Its just a 10% increase in the performance of GE4014 with the same physical dimensions. latest iteration of the GE404 family is at least 15 years old. Which is good enough for us.
If you want a generational jump we have to invest in ourselves for decades.
AMCA is yet to get CCS clearance. So don't sweat on timeless and compare it with others.
. Its just a 10% increase in the performance of GE4014 with the same physical dimensions. latest iteration of the GE404 family is at least 15 years old. Which is good enough for us.If you want a generational jump we have to invest in ourselves for decades.
AMCA is yet to get CCS clearance. So don't sweat on timeless and compare it with others.
if you think stealthy looks are just for marketing than why F22 was designed that way which was never meant to be exported. 5th gen is not just about looks but it also includes 5th gen systems like computing power, sensors, networking, EW etc.
