It depends on whether we put directed energy weapons on it or not. For the moment, we are at the stage of specifying the needs, and then we will see what the solutions are.
Future Combat Air System (FCAS) - France/Germany
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Yes that would be focusing on concepts from the past, I would avoid taking advice from the incompetent first.
So Radar is obsolete and the FCAS won't have one. Is this what you are saying? silly boy.
Before you get too excited. there was some political agreement. Show me where the actual demonstrator contract has been signed. Is the money paid yet? The last I heard is that Germany has conditions for funding the demonstrator. 2050 may still be a fantasy.
www.lemonde.fr
Before you get too excited. there was some political agreement. Show me where the actual demonstrator contract has been signed. Is the money paid yet? The last I heard is that Germany has conditions for funding the demonstrator. 2050 may still be a fantasy.
France and Germany find agreement on FCAS warplane development deal
Though the industrial contract has not yet been formally signed, the new political agreement on the 'future combat air system' (FCAS) will launch the development of the future European fighter aircraft.
www.lemonde.fr
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meanwhile, in the real world, with australia being the lead nation in hypersonics.
This will fly next year.
www.defensenews.com
The aircraft will support a Defense Innovation Unit program called Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT. The organization, which works to push technology from non-traditional companies to military users, is partnering with the Defense Department Test Resource Management Center and the director of hypersonics to help alleviate strain on government test infrastructure.
This will fly next year.
Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft, which will support efforts to increase the cadence of hypersonic flight testing, is scheduled to fly for the first time in early 2024.
www.defensenews.com
Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft will support a Defense Innovation Unit program called Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT. The organization, which works to push technology from non-traditional companies to military users, is partnering with the Defense Department Test Resource Management Center and the director of hypersonics to help alleviate strain on government test infrastructure.
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Radar is not a need. To detect stealth fighters or drones are needs. That's what @picdel wanted to say.
I don't see what's so extraordinary about it, all the countries are at this point and are developing tools to test technological bricks relating to hypersonic speeds.meanwhile, in the real world, with australia being the lead nation in hypersonics.
This will fly next year.
Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft, which will support efforts to increase the cadence of hypersonic flight testing, is scheduled to fly for the first time in early 2024.Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft will support a Defense Innovation Unit program called Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT. The organization, which works to push technology from non-traditional companies to military users, is partnering with the Defense Department Test Resource Management Center and the director of hypersonics to help alleviate strain on government test infrastructure.
Le premier vol du planeur hypersonique français V-MAX est (enfin) pour bientôt, promet M. Chiva
The first flight of the French hypersonic glider V-MAX is (finally) coming soon, promises Mr Chiva
In addition, a test of a mixed ramjet capable of reaching hypersonic speeds has just been conducted in the United States under the promethée PEA.
MBDA en dit un peu plus sur l'ASN4G, le futur missile de la composante aéroportée de la dissuasion française - Zone Militaire
Cela fait maintenait plus de neuf ans que l'on parle du successeur du misisle Air-Sol Moyenne Portée , sur lequel repose actuellement la composante
www.opex360.com
Congratulations pops. Oz must be the first country in the world if not the universe or mutiverse which has gone on to build a hypersonic vehicle without even building a biplane or the good old piston engine powered spitfire like plane or an indigenous automotive industry or a consumer electronics industry.meanwhile, in the real world, with australia being the lead nation in hypersonics.
This will fly next year.
Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft, which will support efforts to increase the cadence of hypersonic flight testing, is scheduled to fly for the first time in early 2024.Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
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The aircraft will support a Defense Innovation Unit program called Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT. The organization, which works to push technology from non-traditional companies to military users, is partnering with the Defense Department Test Resource Management Center and the director of hypersonics to help alleviate strain on government test infrastructure.
What happened to Oz all of a sudden? You seem to be churning out scientific papers & patents by the tons ? Got an influx of migrants from Europe 3 decades ago? Or the usual bloody Asians pulling a lead on how grown rednecks or is it all US expatriates working in US subsidiaries in Oz churning out all that wonderful stuff? What's it pops?
I was showing you what a contract looked like, It seems the FCAS doesn't have a signed contract yet. I did ask you but for some reason you took another path. I don't know why you dodged the question?
We can compare French/Australian hypersonics, or even both our, over the horizon radar. You know the thing that doesn't work any more, but I would google first. You are looking silly.
You might want to google the difference between RAMJET and SCRAMJET too
We can compare French/Australian hypersonics, or even both our, over the horizon radar. You know the thing that doesn't work any more, but I would google first. You are looking silly.
You might want to google the difference between RAMJET and SCRAMJET too
France and Germany find agreement on FCAS warplane development deal
Though the industrial contract has not yet been formally signed, the new political agreement on the 'future combat air system' (FCAS) will launch the development of the future European fighter aircraft.
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PS : It is very frogfanboy to compare a RAMJET missile Vs SCRAMJET aircraft. It's even worse than the deception of Rafale Vs F-35.
A quick look didn't show a contract to build the RAMJET missile, just bench development? was this another deception?
"the PEA Camosis placed particular emphasis on stealth" So a stealth missile? Doesn't MBDA read the frog forums? Stealth is dead. (until the frogs have it)
A quick look didn't show a contract to build the RAMJET missile, just bench development? was this another deception?
"the PEA Camosis placed particular emphasis on stealth" So a stealth missile? Doesn't MBDA read the frog forums? Stealth is dead. (until the frogs have it)
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You can search for it yourself: Scramjet is simply an acronym for 'supersonic combustion' ramjet.
While reading my posts more carefully before criticizing them:
Still no answer about the contract for the demonstrator? I'm starting to think you tell fairy tales.
Keeping it simple.
The team took a unique approach to the problem of accelerating the engine to the necessary speed by using a Terrier-Orion sounding rocket to take the aircraft up on a parabolic trajectory to an altitude of 314 km. As the craft re-entered the atmosphere, it dropped to a speed of Mach 7.6. The scramjet engine then started, and it flew at about Mach 7.6 for 6 seconds. [4]. This was achieved on a lean budget of just A$1.5 million (US$1.1 million), a tiny fraction of NASA's US$250 million to develop the X-43A. This involved many of the same researchers involved in the University of Queensland report in 1995 of the first development of a scramjet that achieved more thrust than drag2.
Keeping it simple.
HyShot[edit]
On July 30, 2002, the University of Queensland's HyShot team (and international partners) conducted the first-ever successful test flight of a scramjet.The team took a unique approach to the problem of accelerating the engine to the necessary speed by using a Terrier-Orion sounding rocket to take the aircraft up on a parabolic trajectory to an altitude of 314 km. As the craft re-entered the atmosphere, it dropped to a speed of Mach 7.6. The scramjet engine then started, and it flew at about Mach 7.6 for 6 seconds. [4]. This was achieved on a lean budget of just A$1.5 million (US$1.1 million), a tiny fraction of NASA's US$250 million to develop the X-43A. This involved many of the same researchers involved in the University of Queensland report in 1995 of the first development of a scramjet that achieved more thrust than drag2.
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AUKUS offsets?meanwhile, in the real world, with australia being the lead nation in hypersonics.
This will fly next year.
Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
The aircraft, which will support efforts to increase the cadence of hypersonic flight testing, is scheduled to fly for the first time in early 2024.Pentagon chooses Australian firm to build hypersonic test aircraft
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The aircraft will support a Defense Innovation Unit program called Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT. The organization, which works to push technology from non-traditional companies to military users, is partnering with the Defense Department Test Resource Management Center and the director of hypersonics to help alleviate strain on government test infrastructure.
I don't know if you really care? I will assume for the moment that you do.
France collaborates with Australia on SCRAMJET
Need for speed
UQ scientists are taking giant leaps in hypersonic flight research. And while travelling between Sydney and London in two hours may be off in the horizon, rumblings about UQ’s plans for small satellite launches using scramjet engines are being felt across the globe.
Australia is the lead nation in partnership with the US. We share our tech with them in the follow on program to our HYSHOT. Our tech, their money.
HIFiRE program[edit]
Badge of the HiFire 5b launch program.
The Hypersonic International Flight Research Experimentation (HIFiRE) program was created[when?] jointly by DSTO (now DSTG) and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL). HIFiRE was formed to investigate hypersonic flight technology, the fundamental science and technology required, and its potential for next generation aeronautical systems. Boeing is also a commercial partner in the project.[9] This will involve up to ten flights with The University of Queensland involved in at least the first three:[10]
- HyShot V — A free-flying hypersonic glider
- HyShot VI — A free-flying Mach 8 scramjet
- HyShot VII - Sustained Mach 8 scramjet-powered flight
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The news talk about a contract from the Pentagon... Nothing french in the Pentagon.I don't know if you really care? I will assume for the moment that you do.
France collaborates with Australia on SCRAMJET
It has become widely recognised as the leading university-based research group in the field of hypersonics and has active collaborations with international universities and research groups, including those in France, Germany, Belgium, the United Kingdom, the United States, Japan, and India.Need for speed
UQ scientists are taking giant leaps in hypersonic flight research. And while travelling between Sydney and London in two hours may be off in the horizon, rumblings about UQ’s plans for small satellite launches using scramjet engines are being felt across the globe.uq.edu.au
Australia is the lead nation in partnership with the US. We share our tech with them in the follow on program to our HYSHOT. Our tech, their money.
HIFiRE program[edit]
Badge of the HiFire 5b launch program.
The Hypersonic International Flight Research Experimentation (HIFiRE) program was created[when?] jointly by DSTO (now DSTG) and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL). HIFiRE was formed to investigate hypersonic flight technology, the fundamental science and technology required, and its potential for next generation aeronautical systems. Boeing is also a commercial partner in the project.[9] This will involve up to ten flights with The University of Queensland involved in at least the first three:[10]
- HyShot V — A free-flying hypersonic glider
- HyShot VI — A free-flying Mach 8 scramjet
- HyShot VII - Sustained Mach 8 scramjet-powered flight
?? this is a quote from the link
"It has become widely recognised as the leading university-based research group in the field of hypersonics and has active collaborations with international universities and research groups, including those in France, Germany, Belgium, the United Kingdom, the United States, Japan, and India."
Need for speed
UQ scientists are taking giant leaps in hypersonic flight research. And while travelling between Sydney and London in two hours may be off in the horizon, rumblings about UQ’s plans for small satellite launches using scramjet engines are being felt across the globe.
Then a HIFIRE offshoot was SCIFIRE
SCIFIRE or the Southern Cross Integrated Flight Research Experiment is an American-Australian military technology partnership that is developing a solid-rocket boosted, air-breathing, hypersonic conventional cruise missile that can be launched by existing fighter or bomber aircraft.
The project is led by the United States Department of Defense and the Australian Department of Defence. The United States Air Force, United States Navy, the Royal Australian Air Force Headquarters and the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group are working with contractors Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon Technologies.
The project is an "outgrowth" of the 2007-initiated HIFiRE project, which involved the same partners and explored scramjet engine technology and tested the flight dynamics of a Mach 8 hypersonic glide vehicle. SCIFiRE officially commenced in November 2020. The missile will be capable of Mach 5 speed and will be suitable for launching from an F/A-18F Super Hornet, EA-18G Growler, F-35A Lightning II or a P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft. Flight testing is expected to occur in the RAAF Woomera Range Complex in South Australia.[1][2]
As of 2021, the missile is expected to enter service within 5 to 10 years.[3] The Australian Government considers the missile to be a potential deterrent to would-be aggressors in the Pacific region.[4]
The follow-on tactical-range Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile (HACM) will be built by Raytheon Technologies and will use a Northrop Grumman scramjet.[5]
SCIFIRE or the Southern Cross Integrated Flight Research Experiment is an American-Australian military technology partnership that is developing a solid-rocket boosted, air-breathing, hypersonic conventional cruise missile that can be launched by existing fighter or bomber aircraft.
The project is led by the United States Department of Defense and the Australian Department of Defence. The United States Air Force, United States Navy, the Royal Australian Air Force Headquarters and the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group are working with contractors Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon Technologies.
The project is an "outgrowth" of the 2007-initiated HIFiRE project, which involved the same partners and explored scramjet engine technology and tested the flight dynamics of a Mach 8 hypersonic glide vehicle. SCIFiRE officially commenced in November 2020. The missile will be capable of Mach 5 speed and will be suitable for launching from an F/A-18F Super Hornet, EA-18G Growler, F-35A Lightning II or a P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft. Flight testing is expected to occur in the RAAF Woomera Range Complex in South Australia.[1][2]
As of 2021, the missile is expected to enter service within 5 to 10 years.[3] The Australian Government considers the missile to be a potential deterrent to would-be aggressors in the Pacific region.[4]
The follow-on tactical-range Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile (HACM) will be built by Raytheon Technologies and will use a Northrop Grumman scramjet.[5]
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(bfm (fr), mar.20) SCAF, THE EUROPEAN FIGHTER OF THE FUTURE, ENTERS THE OPERATIONAL PHASE
This Monday 20 March, the contract for the launch of phase 1B comes into force. Engineers from Dassault, Airbus, Indra and Eumet have 36 months to develop the NGF demonstrator, the fighter aircraft at the heart of the programme.
20 March 2023 could become a historic date in the European aeronautics industry. That is the day the first stage, phase 1B, of the air combat system of the future enters its operational phase.
In its Saint-Cloud (92) premises, Dassault Aviation, the prime contractor and architect of this phase of the programme, is hosting teams from Airbus, Indra and Eumet (a joint venture between Safran Aircraft Engines and MTU Aero Engines). Together, they will work on the NGF (New Generation Fighter), the fighter aircraft at the heart of the combat system. They now have 36 months and a budget of €3.6 billion to prepare the NGF demonstrator, which they must present in 2029.
For this design phase, a "digital platform" has been created using Dassault Systèmes' Catia software. This digital design tool is the most widely used in the world in aeronautics and shipbuilding. Among its users are Boeing, Bombardier, Airbus and even the US Navy for the Virginia class submarine that will soon equip Australia.
The era of collaborative combat
The NGF is intended to replace the French Rafale and the German and Spanish Eurofighter, the three partner countries, from 2040. This aircraft will not only be more powerful, but also designed for new forms of combat. It will have new weapons such as hypersonic missiles and laser cannons. The fighter will be connected to drones as well as to air, naval, land and space capabilities via a 100% European combat cloud.
"Using cutting-edge technologies, the Scaf will therefore enable our armed forces to benefit fully from the era of collaborative combat," explained Sébastien Lecornu, Minister of the Armed Forces, in December when the agreement signed between the manufacturers was announced.
At the next Paris Air Show (19 to 25 June 2023), we will certainly not see a model or even a sketch of the NGF. At the previous edition, in 2019, a scale model was exhibited for the symbol.
"That would be science fiction. We are entering an industrial study phase and the design will depend on many technical factors that will not be finalised at that time," explains a manager at Dassault Aviation.
The challenges of Phase 2
Is the future of the Scaf secure? Everything seems to say so, but nothing is said. At the end of this 36-month period, an additional 5 billion euros will be needed to launch phase 2, which should lead 36 months later to a flying prototype, the famous demonstrator. And for this optional tranche.
This new budget will have to pass through a vote in the three partner countries, each of which will set its own conditions for continuing the programme. France and Germany have already announced their willingness to closely monitor their industrial interests. The phase 1B negotiations ensure that Dassault does not share its technologies and know-how.
An important issue is to allow France to freely export the NGF to supply Rafale customers without risking a German veto. For Dassault, export is a central issue.
"Our industrial model cannot function without exports. However, this is a matter for the State. Our long-standing or more recent partners, who have bought the Rafale, are counting on us to continue their strategic relationship with France," noted Eric Trappier in an interview with Le Figaro.
In the meantime, the Rafale will not remain grounded with the arrival of the NGF. It will remain "on line until 2060". The Air Force and Naval Aviation fleets are currently being upgraded to the F4.1 version. Dassault's teams have also begun work on the F5 standard, which will be launched between 2026 and 2027. This future Rafale will be Scaf compatible and also ready for collaborative combat. /DeepL.
"They now have 36 months and a budget of 3.6 billion euros to prepare the NGF demonstrator that they must present in 2029."
That's good news. Even though it isn't for the demonstrator. It's a funded start to the program.
Cross this bridge when you come to it.
"Is the future of the Scaf secure? Everything seems to say so, but nothing is said. At the end of this 36-month period, an additional 5 billion euros will be needed to launch phase 2, which should lead 36 months later to a flying prototype, the famous demonstrator. And for this optional tranche."
That's good news. Even though it isn't for the demonstrator. It's a funded start to the program.
Cross this bridge when you come to it.
"Is the future of the Scaf secure? Everything seems to say so, but nothing is said. At the end of this 36-month period, an additional 5 billion euros will be needed to launch phase 2, which should lead 36 months later to a flying prototype, the famous demonstrator. And for this optional tranche."
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I am completely ignoring the SCAF contracts, because my greatest wish is that this programme fails so that we can do it alone. That will save us 10 years and will not cost us any more.