HAL LUH / Ka-226: News and Discussions

Will 2 More Deaths Jolt The Lumbering Indo-Russian JV For New Light Copters?

By Shiv Aroor, Sep 27 2019, 4:46 pm
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Two pilots were killed today when an Indian Army HAL Cheetah helicopter crashed in Bhutan. The Indian and Bhutanese pilots on board were on a routine sortie as part of the Indian Military Training Team (IMTRAT) in Bhutan. This is the second crash of light helicopter this year — in April, an Indian Navy Chetak operating off a frigate crashed into the sea. Last year an Indian Coast Guard Chetak crashlanded, killing its pilot. The accidents top off what has been a particularly rough decade for the Cheetah/Alouette II and Chetak/Alouette III helicopter types that HAL has license built for years, and continues to do so, despite a joint venture for new generation helicopters hanging in the balance.

Today’s fatal accident once again throws harsh light on the latter — the inexplicably slow-moving joint venture established between India and Russia to manufacture 200 Ka-226T light utility helicopters for the Indian Army and Indian Air Force. In a choice that was made in 2015, precious little has happened in four years apart from paperwork, despite the Indian Military’s repeatedly stated urgency in replacing its old Chetak and Cheetah helicopter fleets.

In July, the Indian MoD told the country’s Parliament, “The creation of Joint Venture with HAL, M/s Russian Helicopters & M/s Rosoboronexport for supply of 200 nos. Ka-226T helicopter for which Request for Proposal has been issued and responded by HAL.

The Request for Proposal (RFP) to the joint venture was issued in May 2018 and was responded to a few months later. In other words, nothing has moved for about a year. The joint venture manufacturing facility is at an advanced stage of construction at Tumakuru near Bengaluru, but the facility won’t kick into action until further down the supply of 200 Ka-226T helicopters. According to the contract, the first 60 helicopters will be supplied fully built from Russia. The next 40 will be assembled on the Tumakuru line in India, and the final 100 manufactured fully in India. If things had moved at faster pace, the supply of the first 60 Ka-226T helicopters could have begun by now to begun augmenting and replacing the oldest Chetaks in service.

Sensing the inertia building, earlier this month Russian President Vladimir Putin even escorted visiting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to personally inspect a Ka-226T at the MAKS 2019 defence show in Zhukovsky on Moscow’s outskirts.

Russia has apparently bided its time shoring up a raft of Indian suppliers who will support the manufacture of the Ka-226T outside Bengaluru. In February this year, HAL’s joint venture partner in the project, Russian Helicopter announced that it had signed MoUs India’s Elcom, Valdel Advanced Technologies, Dynamatic Technologies, Integrated Helicopter Services and Bharat Forge for the supply of blades, radio stations, landing gear and elements of the Ka-226T fuselage.

“We are facing an ambitious task because the world has so far not seen such projects of transferring leading-edge rotorcraft production. To set up the production of Ka-226T helicopter, its assemblies and components, is not possible without the reliable Indian partners and future suppliers having a sufficient number of technological competences and work experience in the aviation sphere. The objective of current interaction between Russian and Indian industrial enterprises is to present the background information on the project, a joint discussion of technical issues and finding further ways of cooperation”, said Andrey Boginskiy, Director General of JSC Russian Helicopters.

Efforts to replace the Indian military’s old Chetak helicopters have meandered without result for over a decade now, including two contest aborts at the last minute. It was in 2015 that the Indian government took the political decision to finalise the Ka-226T as a Make-in-India helicopter project, ejecting the Eurocopter/Airbus AS550 C3 Fennec from contention. But since then, Russia’s consternation over what it perceives as a stalled initiative has been fully apparent.

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As reported first here on Livefist, a naval version of the Ka-226 was pitched to the Indian Navy last year for the 111 Naval Utility helicopter contest that will see the Russian helicopter tentatively face off against two offerings from Airbus Helicopter (the Panther and H135M) and the Sikorsky S-76D. Justifiably, Russia is pitching the existing JV production line as a compelling reason for the Indian Navy to save itself the trouble and simply choose a helicopter that will be built in India anyway. Technical bids were submitted for the program recently, with the Indian Navy desperate for new generation helicopters off its new generation warships.

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While HAL has responded to the Indian MoD’s RFP for the 200 Ka-226T helicopters and will be hoping for quick movement on that front, the company’s own Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) has made significant strides in development flight test, recently scoring a landing at the world’s highest military airfield in Ladakh. The LUH is being developed to meet an additional requirement of 187 helicopters.

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Why're we still going with the Ka-226 when LUH is in it's final stages of testing despite Ka-226's modularity?

Also, any updates on HAL's MLH?
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India for higher indigenous content in Ka-226 choppers

Updated: Nov 16, 2019 02:54 IST
By Rahul Singh

India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.
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The Chetaks and Cheetahs will be replaced by a mix of LUH and the Kamov-226T choppers. (Photo: Wikipedia)

India wants higher indigenous content in the Kamov-226T light utility choppers which are to be jointly built in the country with Russia, two officials familiar with the move said on condition of anonymity. The Kamovs will serve as a replacement for the military’s ageing Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.

The Indo-Russian Helicopters Limited (IRHL), a joint venture between HAL and Russian Helicopters and Rosoborobexport, was incorporated in May 2017 for the production and supply of around 200 Kamov helicopters. Of these 60 are expected to come from Russia in flyaway condition and the remaining are to be built at HAL.

“We are waiting to hear from them as to how a higher level of indigenisation can be facilitated. That has caused some delay. The final number of helicopters could also be reworked based on the response from the Russian side,” said the second official. HAL owns 50.5% of the venture, Russian Helicopters, 42.5% and Rosoboronexport, 7%.

Experts said India should seek higher indigenisation in weapons and systems being jointly manufactured with original equipment manufacturers in the country in line with the Make in India initiative.

“The Ka-226 has been awaited for long as the Chetak-Cheetah fleet has been overworked and is showing signs of age, witnessed by the large number of incidents that are happening. A high indigenous content should be insisted upon as part of our drive to get manufacturing in India,”
said Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), additional director general, Centre for Air Power Studies.

HAL is also working on a light utility helicopter (LUH) of its own. The locally designed and developed LUH has completed rigourous trials in high altitude and hot weather and is inching towards getting operational clearance.

The LUH is expected to meet a combined army and air force requirement for 187 choppers. It is being developed as a replacement for the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters, which are a lifeline for troops in high-altitude areas. The Chetaks and Cheetahs will be replaced by a mix of LUH and the Kamov-226T choppers. The three-tonne LUH is capable of flying at a speed of 220 kmph with a service ceiling of 6.5 km.

India for higher indigenous content in Ka-226 choppers
 
India for higher indigenous content in Ka-226 choppers

Updated: Nov 16, 2019 02:54 IST
By Rahul Singh

India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.
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The Chetaks and Cheetahs will be replaced by a mix of LUH and the Kamov-226T choppers. (Photo: Wikipedia)

India wants higher indigenous content in the Kamov-226T light utility choppers which are to be jointly built in the country with Russia, two officials familiar with the move said on condition of anonymity. The Kamovs will serve as a replacement for the military’s ageing Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

India has told the Russians to review the level of indigenisation to take the local content of the Ka-226Ts to be manufactured at Bengaluru-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to beyond the existing figure that stands at around 60%, the first official said.

The Indo-Russian Helicopters Limited (IRHL), a joint venture between HAL and Russian Helicopters and Rosoborobexport, was incorporated in May 2017 for the production and supply of around 200 Kamov helicopters. Of these 60 are expected to come from Russia in flyaway condition and the remaining are to be built at HAL.

“We are waiting to hear from them as to how a higher level of indigenisation can be facilitated. That has caused some delay. The final number of helicopters could also be reworked based on the response from the Russian side,” said the second official. HAL owns 50.5% of the venture, Russian Helicopters, 42.5% and Rosoboronexport, 7%.

Experts said India should seek higher indigenisation in weapons and systems being jointly manufactured with original equipment manufacturers in the country in line with the Make in India initiative.

“The Ka-226 has been awaited for long as the Chetak-Cheetah fleet has been overworked and is showing signs of age, witnessed by the large number of incidents that are happening. A high indigenous content should be insisted upon as part of our drive to get manufacturing in India,” said Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), additional director general, Centre for Air Power Studies.

HAL is also working on a light utility helicopter (LUH) of its own. The locally designed and developed LUH has completed rigourous trials in high altitude and hot weather and is inching towards getting operational clearance.

The LUH is expected to meet a combined army and air force requirement for 187 choppers. It is being developed as a replacement for the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters, which are a lifeline for troops in high-altitude areas. The Chetaks and Cheetahs will be replaced by a mix of LUH and the Kamov-226T choppers. The three-tonne LUH is capable of flying at a speed of 220 kmph with a service ceiling of 6.5 km.

India for higher indigenous content in Ka-226 choppers

They are hiding the real reason. .

Simply asking for more than 60 ℅ doesn't make sense when we can already make entire LUH but for engines.

Remember Milspec told us Kamov doesn't benefit us in tot.. Better to buy entire fleet from Russia itself at accelerated pace.

But NO we ll do the opposite in everything.
 
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They are hiding the real reason. .

Simply asking for more than 60 ℅ doesn't make sense when we can already make entire LUH but for engines.

Remember Milspec told us Kamov doesn't benefit us in tot.. Better to buy entire fleet from Russia itself at accelerated pace.

But NO we ll do the opposite in everything.
To me the acquisition plan of the Ka-226 is increasingly a suspect. Do we actually intend to buy the helo ? Or was it just a stop gap meant to be introduced as the HAL LUH was expected to be delayed/not on schedule. But with the speeding up of LUH project and recent clearing of a few vital tests, the need for the Ka-226 seems to have died down. MoD's negotiating tactics seems like a stalling game to me.

From the logistics POV I do hope whatever we do doesn't create another logistical nightmare. I hope the LUH can take the whole order.
 
To me the acquisition plan of the Ka-226 is increasingly a suspect. Do we actually intend to buy the helo ? Or was it just a stop gap meant to be introduced as the HAL LUH was expected to be delayed/not on schedule. But with the speeding up of LUH project and recent clearing of a few vital tests, the need for the Ka-226 seems to have died down. MoD's negotiating tactics seems like a stalling game to me.

From the logistics POV I do hope whatever we do doesn't create another logistical nightmare. I hope the LUH can take the whole order.
Can the HAL LUH be modified for ASW role like the MH-60 Romeo we are buying from USA and also for AEW role of Kamov of the Indian Navy??
 
Can the HAL LUH be modified for ASW role like the MH-60 Romeo we are buying from USA and also for AEW role of Kamov of the Indian Navy??
Too small for any of that. We need a helo with enough lifting and lotering capabilities. IMRH might do the job, but by the time it shows up it will be too late. Hence the acquisition of the Romeo.
 
To me the acquisition plan of the Ka-226 is increasingly a suspect. Do we actually intend to buy the helo ? Or was it just a stop gap meant to be introduced as the HAL LUH was expected to be delayed/not on schedule. But with the speeding up of LUH project and recent clearing of a few vital tests, the need for the Ka-226 seems to have died down. MoD's negotiating tactics seems like a stalling game to me.

From the logistics POV I do hope whatever we do doesn't create another logistical nightmare. I hope the LUH can take the whole order.

Russia says India delaying signing helicopters deal: executive

Stanley Carvalho
WORLD NEWS
NOVEMBER 17, 2019

DUBAI (Reuters) - The head of Russian Helicopters said on Sunday that India was delaying the signing of a firm agreement for purchasing 200 helicopters despite providing all information.

Chief Executive Andrey Boginsky also said it would benefit India if the planned order for over 100 rotorcraft for the Indian Navy could be combined with the 200 India is looking to buy for the Army.

Russian Helicopters is owned by state-owned Russian conglomerate Rostec.

India and Russia signed a deal in 2015 under Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ program for the supply of 200 Russian KA 226T helicopters, with Russia to deliver 60 and the remaining to be assembled and manufactured in India.

The two countries also have held preliminary talks for the supply of over 100 of the KA 226-T helicopters for the Indian Navy, Boginsky said.

“We have done significant successful work and provided all information to India’s ministry of defense, unfortunately there is no efficient and quick way from the Indian side,” he told Reuters at the Dubai Air Show.

“We can’t understand the reasons for the delay.”

On the order for the Indian Navy, Boginsky said India would benefit from combining both orders to gain more value in enhancing its capabilities.

“The main winner will be India if both orders are joined,” he said, adding Russian Helicopters was awaiting a formal request of an order from the Indian Navy.

Civilian helicopters account for about 30-35% of Russian Helicopters’ total sales while the remaining 65-70% are military choppers. The civilian-military sales ratio is expected to remain the same in the next three years but total sales volumes could increase as Russian Helicopters brings to the market its expanded range of choppers, said Boginsky.

The company is in talks with international customers including some in the Middle East for sale of its new Mi-38 helicopters, he said, declining to elaborate.

The new VRT-500 helicopters, with the first flight scheduled for 2021, has seen strong interest from India and some Middle East countries, he said, adding a deal for the VRT-500 will be signed at the ongoing Dubai expo.

“There is strong interest from Indian companies to assemble (VRT 500) in India,” he said.

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