IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi

[Shajida Khan]

Dear Screambowel.


My sincere apologies to you. I will certainly make haste and learn things and come back. You are right, have to learn as have not set foot in valley since 2014. Your definitions must be the latest revealations in Revolution in Military Affairs.

Its funny because your title says Military Veteran. You should make it bold and red . May be then civvies will not mistake you.

 

[randomradio]

@Aashish @nair @randomradio @lcafanboy

Gentlemen, see you all in a while, going to learn.

::: exits forum and opens a book

I will warn you now, your 20+ years of experience in warfare is useless.

You can never defeat the Internet.

 

[suny6611]

Don't you think nuke tipped Pinaka will be the right (economic and capable) answer to NASR...

hi
any nuke used between indo pak will have a minimum radius of 100 km of total destruction & another 200 km of total elimination of life due to fallout etc. further the radioactive clouds will cause deaths up to another 100 odd kms

so logically pak ends in say 4 to 6 nukes & Indian northern states also r devastated

now do draw circles with epicenters of nuke blasts & see the total devastation.

pak is not wrong that the nukes r the only way to keep us out of their country ..................... when ever they say that they have NUKEs means that they KNOW they will not survive any conventional war for a week !!!!

we need not arm any missile with nukes .............. pak will use their own nukes in their own country so as to stop Indian army from advancing ...

economic ?????

do define that as to what do u mean ..

cost of explosives per missile less than a lakh

cost of nuke per missile less than a crore

yr call ..................

 

[Shashank]

That has been made very apparent to me. This is just another instance this month

I am more and more convinced that I better withdraw from forums with my self respect intact, what with experts cropping up dime a dozen with second hand information and incomplete understanding, to teach me stuff with full authority that only comes out of ignorance and incomprehension of the complexities of the system as existing.

To a novice, how so ever well versed with affairs of the Indian army, it shall be a tremendous shock to know the mess we are in, at times, in certain sectors. Rest assured, the enemy is aware. But our delusions are - well, ours

I got @Falcon and he is already bruised. It is anyways difficult to have forces' background on forums like here, and after a few days, those who come, decide that they have done enough risking their lives for the nation, without having the pleasure of being shafted by arm chair generals and wannabe generals.

So, you may have noticed, a tremendous fall in quality and frequency of my posts.

Cheers.


::::: exits forum --> locks the door behind --> throws the key away & re-opens the books :::::

Ciao

Sir while serving the country pakistani bEb wouldn't have changed your will to serve the nation. Why are you letting few oxymorons challenge your will to educate and help commoners understand what's needed to protect the country.
You are serving his country By posting in this for. There ae thousands like me who get only chance to understand what it takes to defend this country and is willing to learn from someone like you.
Please don't let comment of 1-2 to discourage you.

 

[_Anonymous_]

That has been made very apparent to me. This is just another instance this month

I am more and more convinced that I better withdraw from forums with my self respect intact, what with experts cropping up dime a dozen with second hand information and incomplete understanding, to teach me stuff with full authority that only comes out of ignorance and incomprehension of the complexities of the system as existing.

To a novice, how so ever well versed with affairs of the Indian army, it shall be a tremendous shock to know the mess we are in, at times, in certain sectors. Rest assured, the enemy is aware. But our delusions are - well, ours

I got @Falcon and he is already bruised. It is anyways difficult to have forces' background on forums like here, and after a few days, those who come, decide that they have done enough risking their lives for the nation, without having the pleasure of being shafted by arm chair generals and wannabe generals.

So, you may have noticed, a tremendous fall in quality and frequency of my posts.

Cheers.


::::: exits forum --> locks the door behind --> throws the key away & re-opens the books :::::

Ciao

This forum isn't even a month old and we've already so many contenders for the best member award that'd in all likelihood happen at the end of a year in this forum's life .

11 more months to go . Such exciting times ahead . And there's still no sign of omya from Older Forum .

 

[dadeechi]

hi
any nuke used between indo pak will have a minimum radius of 100 km of total destruction & another 200 km of total elimination of life due to fallout etc. further the radioactive clouds will cause deaths up to another 100 odd kms

so logically pak ends in say 4 to 6 nukes & Indian northern states also r devastated

now do draw circles with epicenters of nuke blasts & see the total devastation.

pak is not wrong that the nukes r the only way to keep us out of their country ..................... when ever they say that they have NUKEs means that they KNOW they will not survive any conventional war for a week !!!!

we need not arm any missile with nukes .............. pak will use their own nukes in their own country so as to stop Indian army from advancing ...

economic ?????

do define that as to what do u mean ..

cost of explosives per missile less than a lakh

cost of nuke per missile less than a crore

yr call ..................

You are assuming that Pakistan will not be able to make inroads into India which is very naive.

 

[Dagger]

And the facts i am saying make sence.

Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Report anyone who gets personal. You can protect your own peace by maintaining decorum. Its a defence forum, not the parliament. Left only to the people here, Pakistan would have been roasted long ago. You should be waking up people, who don't come to a defence forum. This is about the last thing, in the minds of ordinary people.

 

[screambowl]

Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Report anyone who gets personal. You can protect your own peace by maintaining decorum. Its a defence forum, not the parliament. Left only to the people here, Pakistan would have been roasted long ago. You should be waking up people who don't come to a defence forum. This is about the last thing, in the minds of ordinary people.

Not only here, buddy I used to argue with people and convince them and when somethining is under my domain I do it.
The more good news you do to your citizens it helps them to remain motivated.
we have been hearing rafael past 1 decade. Such a boring topic it has become thanks to our so called beurocracy both in Military and Civil.
the News you hear from Kashmir is Pak again ambushed by coming 600m inside Ind territory or some terror hurled grenade.

Today only there is a. Assault on crpf base. Now even after SS if Pakistanis continue to bleed Ind then it is clear. Our policies dont seem to work with Pak. they get time to do all this because you have not kept them busy in POK.

 

[screambowl]

Leaving this forum as it has enough bunch of losers who wish to sip tea and talk technicalities but in actual have done nothing and promote peace stature with Pakistan. Who are not even ashamed that their territory, known as POK is with Pakistan. And show no motivations even to write for it.
Adios!

 

[randomradio]

BS
D0 you know why rawat was sworne in because he doesnt care about LC unlike his predecessors. Except VK singh.

its these officrs and then some in foreign service who tells and advices PM, oh we cannot cross the lc as the subsequent behaviour of Pak would be or India will not be good. INDIA cant afford such relations with pak and etc etc.. this is exacttly what they tell and PM

The main advisor to the PM is the NSA. Service chiefs and intelligence chiefs report to the NSA. A lot of people are involved in this.

 

[randomradio]

That has been made very apparent to me. This is just another instance this month

I am more and more convinced that I better withdraw from forums with my self respect intact, what with experts cropping up dime a dozen with second hand information and incomplete understanding, to teach me stuff with full authority that only comes out of ignorance and incomprehension of the complexities of the system as existing.

To a novice, how so ever well versed with affairs of the Indian army, it shall be a tremendous shock to know the mess we are in, at times, in certain sectors. Rest assured, the enemy is aware. But our delusions are - well, ours

I got @Falcon and he is already bruised. It is anyways difficult to have forces' background on forums like here, and after a few days, those who come, decide that they have done enough risking their lives for the nation, without having the pleasure of being shafted by arm chair generals and wannabe generals.

So, you may have noticed, a tremendous fall in quality and frequency of my posts.

Cheers.


::::: exits forum --> locks the door behind --> throws the key away & re-opens the books :::::

Ciao

Oh come on, everybody knows the Indian Army is held with spit and duct tape. We are still a third world country.

Forums are for news and killing time. You shouldn't take it seriously.

 

[randomradio]

Every one knows who got personal first when this ex officer lost argument he started personal atracks and making irrelevant Post please do read it.

And the facts i am saying make sence.


WE are not even ashamed to show POK as Ind territory. At least chinese have been intruding in AP . What Indians have been doing past so many years except for diplomacy which never works with Pak. then we also presume ourselves to be conventional superior when there is no decision making capability which is a part of conventional war. Come on man wake up guys. They have been fooling us. Without Pok India is not complete.
you need to accomodate 1.35 and. Lose to 1.5 billion people where are you going to put them? Territory is important.

and i know what I do. But some one must ask these ex veterans why why they do not convinve netas and babus rather trying to explain things to youth here that we have this complexity of that strategic analysis oh that complex foreign and military strategies. Nonsense

During Kargil War, the armed forces wanted to cross LoC and take it, the govt did not allow it.

 

[A Person]

We are still a third world country.

India is pretty much the original third world country, as one of the founding members of the non-aligned movement. First world was the Western Block; second world was the Eastern Block; third world were unaligned countries that didn't want to side with either blocks.

And since they were usually poor and undeveloped, the meaning of "third world" changed from a political one (unaligned country) to an economic one (undeveloped country). And then the Cold War ended anyway, making the original meaning obsolete.

 

[randomradio]

India is pretty much the original third world country, as one of the founding members of the non-aligned movement. First world was the Western Block; second world was the Eastern Block; third world were unaligned countries that didn't want to side with either blocks.

And since they were usually poor and undeveloped, the meaning of "third world" changed from a political one (unaligned country) to an economic one (undeveloped country). And then the Cold War ended anyway, making the original meaning obsolete.

I know, and I am referring to both the economic and political terms. We are still a poor country, courtesy of "poor" governance, and not under military threat from any developed country, courtesy of "good" governance.

The combination of having no money and the lack of urgency have kept the IA quite inefficient. And when the economy goes down, it becomes even more difficult to manage things. Even personnel rations have been cut.

Our main adversary is even more poor and inefficient, so that's the saving grace.

 

[Avi]

Thread has been seriously derailed by a single member.

Thread cleared of all the nonsense.

1. Thank all the members who have reported posts.
2. Thank all the guys who stood up against the nonsense and personal attacks.


@screambowl
Sir , kindly take your rants to members section threads not on this thread anymore, you are debarred from posting henceforth on this important thread.The problem is not with your view's but the way you decided to post it here.
Use of foul language cannot be tolerated against anybody. You are found guilty of the same here.
Personal attacks to justify your posts is not civil either.

Justifying the policymakers failures to meet your personal expectations by abusing a fellow member is in no way considered an alternative point of view rather a miserable state of mind which needs help.

If you have any objections to my decisions on this thread please report this post to another team member.


To all members :- Use of vernacular is not accepted outside the members section. Please use English and only English to communicate and post on this forum.

 

[Aashish]

Continuing after the last meeting details - IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi


Some Chatters Finally

• PMO hands have been tied by the stiff resistance from IAF and Rafale deal based MII and adjoining help for other programs
• DM NS had formally given a feedback that a political deal-making for F-16s with so much resistance and IAF insistence to go "public" might jeopardise LM F-16 deal completely.
• Finally, FM AJ has been asked for an advice and he politely said political fallout from this step will be beyond repair
• So Again with arresting numbers scenario, beginning January a quick talk is planned with prime dealmakers
• First is Dassault and later LM for this meeting to be attended by IAF and IN representatives
• The focus is on a deal for MII which is practical and possibly better from Indian perspective
• In a small twist, with the bailout of Anil Ambani RCom and a virtual merging with Reliance Jio, His debt issue is almost overall. This has finally made Anil Ambani and the team now go hard for DRAL and they will fight for this deal now more openly.
• Post this only, if there is still an F-16 follow up left then a technical quick round of evaluation is expected.
• DM NS was asked by both PM and FM about why she is in two minds and has talked about all these fallouts.
• To this DM NS said as part of 36 Rafale deal, a specific set of communication and data transfer technology and infrastructure had been provided to us by France at a heavily discounted price which IAF has latched on to at the very first opportunity.
• This infra is now further planned for next boost as well in the MII orders as the more sophisticated version is given access by France as part of the netwo9rk centric warfare capability.
• Such infra capabilities were not first allowed for India at all and with FMS deals, the associated cost is humongous when compared to deals under discussion
• To explain it DM NS said IAF has taken this new technology from France into account allowing a massive boost and allowing the most sophisticated drones like Avengers NG to be operated seamlessly.
• Frequency band and UL/DL speed is at par with USA infra itself under this plan and Cost is very very cheap.
• This had allowed IAF to ensure infrastructure is always in their hands without falling for any "blocking" issues by the country of origin and also at reduced prices it saves us a lot of costs.
• Hearing this PM NM and FM AJ endorsed DM NS view and requested her to go ahead and discuss this as she had planned.

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[Paro]

DM NS had formally given a feedback that a political deal-making for F-16s with so much resistance and IAF insistence to go "public" might jeopardise LM F-16 deal completely.

My choice from the beginning..

 

[_Anonymous_]

Post this only, if there is still an F-16 follow up left then a technical quick round of evaluation is expected.

I didn't understand this part . Could you clarify this @Aashish ?

Excellent piece of info .Love the eavesdropping and consequent sharing of info.

 

[Shashank]

Is deal for predators to compensate USA for loss in F16 deal ? Also if F16 is not coming to India whats the backup plan to augment IAF dwindling fighter aircraft numbers. I only see additional 36 Rafale and 83 LCA.

 

[Bali78]

Is deal for predators to compensate USA for loss in F16 deal ? Also if F16 is not coming to India whats the backup plan to augment IAF dwindling fighter aircraft numbers. I only see additional 36 Rafale and 83 LCA.

It seems Rafale will follow the same route as Su-30 MKI. It started with 50, followed by 140 and eventually 272. Once MII line is ready for Rafale, ordering new tranches at regular intervals, will not be an issue and that should take care of the squadron numbers. At this point of time F 16 looks like a pie in the sky.