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Yes you are. First you said single engined tender, then when i asked you again, you changed it to MRCA RFI, when i pointed out that wasn't the case you went to light fighter!

My entire point of contention was your argument that IAF issued a tender for a SE jet other than LCA, which never happened.

The MRCA RFI was for a light-weight multi-role aircraft (not SE).



There was no MRCA RFP. The competition changed to MMRCA during the RFP stage in 2007 and MiG had no problems replying to it with their Mig-35.

Go through the whole MRCA/MMRCA timeline once more.



Rigged or not, that's a separate fact. Again, IAF didn't go for the M'2000 because it was a SE jet.



Sending RFI is one thing. Getting actual replies is another. An aircraft becomes part of the competition only when an offer has been received in response.

The Russians replied to both the MRCA RFI and MMRCA RFP.



On one hand you have Parikkar saying that he himself asked the IAF to consider SE jet instead of Rafales for the time being.

On the other hand, there's you saying you dont believe any other report except that of Dhanoa who says IAF is considering SE jets (where he never mentions that the whole SE thing was IAFs idea)

I dont know what else to say to convince you.

Dude, now all you're doing is playing with semantics. Are you saying IAF never sent out an RFI for F-16, M-2000 and Gripen?

Parrikar never made IAF to do anything.
 
Rafale has been ducking such a competition with the F-35 ever since the program reoriented in 2010.
In the Dutch eval, The paper F35 (ie supercruising able, affordable, F16 like agile) won by 0,02/10. Now everybody knows that F35 will never be affordable (dutch reduced theit order. LOL), is not supercruising, is less agile than F16 and is not FOC yet. In the same moment, Rafale offered an AESA radar and a deep road map for the futur...
 
Does France have any development plans for GaN AESA radar?
In the Dutch eval, The paper F35 (ie supercruising able, affordable, F16 like agile) won by 0,02/10. Now everybody knows that F35 will never be affordable (dutch reduced theit order. LOL), is not supercruising, is less agile than F16 and is not FOC yet. In the same moment, Rafale offered an AESA radar and a deep road map for the futur...
 
The IAF has a request for only 3 more squadrons after the 123. Those 3 could be the Mk2 if necessary.
Again, don't put your assumptions as a fact. All HAL/ADA officials state a minimum requirement of 100. Buying a light Indian fighter only 3 sqd doesn't make any sense. They need minimum numbers to reach the scale. LCA Mk1+2 numbers should touch ~240.

What happened to your 55+ sqd theory? Buy all medium/heavy fighters but not light?

The only thing stopping FGFA is money
FGFA will come in time. PAK FA Phase 2 maturity will reduce FGFA development time hopefully.

On side note: MoD requested around $5 billion additional funds from MoF last FY. But got rejected. God knows for what. :unsure:

Don't try to squirm away when cornered.

I asked you for the proof of a SE tender before MRCA/MMRCA which is what you claimed
Yeah, he does that. There is no proof but his theory.

SE program was a stopgap measure after the collapse of MMRCA and LCA delays. More Rafales and LCA will make it obsolete.
 
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Again, don't put your assumptions as a fact. All HAL/ADA officials state a minimum requirement of 100. Buying a light Indian fighter only 3 sqd doesn't make any sense. They need minimum numbers to reach the scale. LCA Mk1+2 numbers should touch ~240.

I am talking about what is feasible now when it comes to numbers. The current order requirement is for a total of 9 squadrons. For more to be ordered, something major should happen that will allow the IAF to order a lot more. The Mk1A to Mk2 jump is too minor.

Even these 9 squadrons will take 15 years to deliver. That's all the way up to 2032. Are you really expecting the IAF to buy LCAs for so long? The LCA has to be opened up for exports also.

What happened to your 55+ sqd theory? Buy all medium/heavy fighters but not light?

55 squad isn't simply a conjecture. There is no such thing as light, medium and heavy.

AM Matheswaran:
So the light-weight, medium and heavy aircraft consideration again needs to be looked at in the context – they are irrelevant today. And that’s the argument I put on the file and that was accepted at that point of time. You cannot categorize aircraft anymore as light – categorization can only be differentiated in terms of cost considerations and in terms of usage and quick rotation capabilities.

Yeah, he does that. There is no proof but his theory.

SE program was a stopgap measure after the collapse of MMRCA and LCA delays. More Rafales and LCA will make it obsolete.

Incorrect. My so called "theories" are simply an assertion due to your inadequacies in this subject.

I have been following IAF's procurement programs since before LCA's first flight. But for individuals like you and Nick, you have been following military news since the last few years only. So I don't expect you to know what happened in 2001, but I would appreciate it if you stop pinning your lack of knowledge on me.

Far too many people know about IAF's 2001 MRCA program except you two.
 
Does France have any development plans for GaN AESA radar?
The GaN antenna already exist in Thales lab and is working very well, but GaN T/R are too costy (For all companies) to be inducted at large scale. When T/R cost will be affordable the GaN antenna will be plug and play with the GaS one and we will see conformal antenna added to Rafale airframe to have 360° detection. We hope the GaN antenna for F4.1 in 2023 and the conformal antenna for F4.2 in 2025.

It is easier to make an GaN AESA radar than a GaS AESA radar because the performance of GaN T/R are better and then T/R Modules emit less heat and more electromagnetic radiation, and heat extraction is very hard in a radar.
 
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I am talking about what is feasible now when it comes to numbers. The current order requirement is for a total of 9 squadrons. For more to be ordered, something major should happen that will allow the IAF to order a lot more. The Mk1A to Mk2 jump is too minor.

Even these 9 squadrons will take 15 years to deliver. That's all the way up to 2032. Are you really expecting the IAF to buy LCAs for so long? The LCA has to be opened up for exports also.
HAL can always ramp up the production numbers. ~240 LCAs by 2030-31 is a feasible proposition (before AMCA takeover). Air chief even said there will be mk2 after 2025. Also, Mk2 + Kaveri is a huge jump for the nations aero industry and they should get enough order.

There is no such thing as light, medium and heavy.
It doesn't take away the fact of direct correlation with weight - cost - capability.

AM Matheswaran
Sold out, anti-industry retiree. Will say anything to import more.
 
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HAL can always ramp up the production numbers. ~240 LCAs by 2030-31 is a feasible proposition (before AMCA takeover). Air chief even said there will be mk2 after 2025. Also, Mk2 + Kaveri is a huge jump for the nations aero industry and they should get enough order.

For all that to happen, Mk2 should be really magical. If HAL delivers Mk1A at a lower cost and within time, then why will IAF ever go for Mk2?

Mk2 is so far away that even the IAF has publicly said they don't want it anymore if the Mk1A lives up to its name.

It doesn't take away the fact of direct correlation with weight - cost - capability.

Although I believe Gripen is cheaper than a Rafale in LCC, @Picdelamirand-oil has spent a lot of time debating with me that it's not so.

So the answer is not so simple. It's all about the capability you get in relation to the price.

Sold out, anti-industry retiree. Will say anything to import more.

Lol. What he said there actually helps the LCA.
 
Well things are now looking either completely out of track or IAF/MoD has found a new way i.e. going for MK1A & MK2 and Extra Rafale.

More delay means IAF is now being maneuvered by MoD/PMO to buy more MK1A and commitment for MK2 while they get 36 extra Rafale in bonus.(Just my view)
 
In the Dutch eval, The paper F35 (ie supercruising able, affordable, F16 like agile) won by 0,02/10. Now everybody knows that F35 will never be affordable (dutch reduced theit order. LOL), is not supercruising, is less agile than F16 and is not FOC yet. In the same moment, Rafale offered an AESA radar and a deep road map for the futur...

2004, is not relevant anymore. This was before the F-35 even had a flying prototype. Program is radically different.
 
2004, is not relevant anymore. This was before the F-35 even had a flying prototype. Program is radically different.
That's what we mean, in 2004 the F-35 did not really exist what the Danish judged it's a Dream F-35, the one that Lockheed Martin promised, a magical F-35 and who was cheap, who was as agile as an F-16, who had a data fusion that worked, who was not overweight, no vibrations in the weapon bays, no excessive heat that required opening the weapon bays every 10 minutes ... and yet he had only 0.2 point more against a low level Rafale F2 compare to the current Rafale F3R not to mention the Rafale F4 that will be offered to the Belgians. So we are confident in the success of the Rafale.
 
That's what we mean, in 2004 the F-35 did not really exist what the Danish judged it's a Dream F-35, the one that Lockheed Martin promised, a magical F-35 and who was cheap, who was as agile as an F-16, who had a data fusion that worked, who was not overweight, no vibrations in the weapon bays, no excessive heat that required opening the weapon bays every 10 minutes ... and yet he had only 0.2 point more against a low level Rafale F2 compare to the current Rafale F3R not to mention the Rafale F4 that will be offered to the Belgians. So we are confident in the success of the Rafale.

If France was confident they would have stuck to the tender rules. They ain't confident and as a result have to resort to official bribes.

It sucks too because now that it's off the books we probably won't get an evaluation like the Danish competition.

Also I think you meant Dutch judge. This is what the Danish competition resulted in.

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If France was confident they would have stuck to the tender rules. They ain't confident and as a result have to resort to official bribes.
The most important corruption occurs before the competition is open by having the rules written to favor the F-35. For example, cost only accounts for 10% of the selection criteria.

If France was confident they would have stuck to the tender rules.
Even Boeing and Saab abandoned the competition because it was not fair. But France did not give up, she just decided to play according to her own rules.

It sucks too because now that it's off the books we probably won't get an evaluation like the Danish competition.
No problems, such a competition will takes place for the Canadiens....
 
The most important corruption occurs before the competition is open by having the rules written to favor the F-35. For example, cost only accounts for 10% of the selection criteria.


Even Boeing and Saab abandoned the competition because it was not fair. But France did not give up, she just decided to play according to her own rules.


No problems, such a competition will takes place for the Canadiens....

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more like 33%
 
Significantly, Livefist learns that the Indian Air Force has launched an all-out internal opposition to the Indian Navy’s separate quest for 57 carrier fighters. This makes things even more delicate, considering that the navy’s prospective contest is a highly constrained two-horse race between Boeing’s F/A-18 and Dassault’s Rafale. Sources say the IAF believes the navy’s contest could be used to constrain the former’s own choices on what aircraft it should choose from, since it stands to reason that type commonality will be a priority.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...curement-saga-zooms-into-familiar-jumble.html

Why the opposition by IAF? (if the reports are true which I doubt) The only reason I can think of is that the US is pressuring India to choose the F/A-18+EMALS+AAG combo for the Navy.
 
Significantly, Livefist learns that the Indian Air Force has launched an all-out internal opposition to the Indian Navy’s separate quest for 57 carrier fighters. This makes things even more delicate, considering that the navy’s prospective contest is a highly constrained two-horse race between Boeing’s F/A-18 and Dassault’s Rafale. Sources say the IAF believes the navy’s contest could be used to constrain the former’s own choices on what aircraft it should choose from, since it stands to reason that type commonality will be a priority.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...curement-saga-zooms-into-familiar-jumble.html

Why the opposition by IAF? (if the reports are true which I doubt) The only reason I can think of is that the US is pressuring India to choose the F/A-18+EMALS+AAG combo for the Navy.

The navy's program is eating into their fighter funds. 57 aircraft is a very expensive purchase after all. This conflict of interest is why I pointed out the navy deal should be delayed by as much as 3 years so that the IAF can get their aircraft first.
 
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