India - France relations.
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Seriously we need to stop this cultural bro sentiments being brought into conversations/relations.
A Big Order for Rafales must be announced soon
Or else this Bromance is meaningless
Or else this Bromance is meaningless
Nuclear powered SSN of 6 numbers with TOT will be a good deal
SSN will also be given by Russia
But Rafales are a must
Pakistan will soon get J 10 and PLAAF is creating additional infrastructure all along LAC to launch attacks from different airbases Simultaneously
PS : Phone Battery finished , Rant over
(ToI, dec.17)
India foremost strategic ally of France in Indo-Pacific region
Florence Parly, France MoD itvd by Rajat Pandit
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-foremost-strategic-ally-of-france-in-indo-pacific-region/articleshow/88329463.cms
(sorry, can’t copy, but interesting. Tags: space security, AI, cyber,…)
India foremost strategic ally of France in Indo-Pacific region
Florence Parly, France MoD itvd by Rajat Pandit
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/india-foremost-strategic-ally-of-france-in-indo-pacific-region/articleshow/88329463.cms
(sorry, can’t copy, but interesting. Tags: space security, AI, cyber,…)
France in the Indo-Pacific: French, Indian Defense Ministers Meet for 3rd Annual Dialogue
French Defense Minister Florence Parly was in New Delhi last week for the third annual defense dialogue between India and France. Parly and Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh discussed a range of bilateral, regional, and defense issues, including bilateral defense industry collaboration and co-production of defense platforms. The two ministers also reviewed the continuing military-to-military cooperation, which has seen a spike despite the pandemic challenges. In addition, the two ministers agreed to strengthen cooperation at multiple levels, especially at regional and multilateral forums. This is significant given that France is currently the chair of the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium and will take over the European Union Presidency from January 2022.The French Embassy in India, in a statement, said that “the visit highlights France’s engagement in the Indo-Pacific and the centrality of India in the French strategy.” The statement also highlighted the number of India-France military engagements even in the midst of the pandemic – Desert Knight 21 in January, Varuna in April, and Shakti in November. Interestingly, the statement mentioned a commitment to uphold rule of law while “rejecting all forms of hegemony,” which could be seen as aimed at China.
Signifying the level of trust, confidence and comradery, the French minister also met with the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the National Security Adviser Ajit Doval. Modi tweeted to say that the two sides had a wide-ranging conversation including bilateral defense cooperation, developments in the Indo-Pacific and the French presidency of the EU. Traditionally, India and France have cooperated on a number of strategic areas including defense, space and civil nuclear sectors but the two have expanded their engagement in a number of other critical areas such as the evolving strategic dynamics in the Indo-Pacific, artificial intelligence, supercomputing, cyber security and space security.
France became the latest of the three countries with which India has a space security dialogue, after the United States and Japan. While India and France have had civil space cooperation for several decades, they also share concerns about the changing space security dynamics. As the minister explained, the “goal is to share threat assessments, coordinate our response strategies, and jointly promote international norms to ensure a free and secure space. We build satellites together, it’s only natural to also work together on protecting them.”
The India-France commitment to and convergence on areas like promoting multilateralism and ensuring a rules-based international order are also important in the bilateral relationship between India and France. In an interview, Parly emphasized that new arrangements like AUKUS do not change geography, and that France is an Indo-Pacific nation. She went on to reiterate the importance of India in France’s Indo-Pacific strategy, adding that “our armed forces have reached new levels of interoperability, with major air, navy, and army exercises this year.”
The minister also acknowledged concerns about China but added that “it’s a delicate balance that must be found. China is a major country, there are areas where cooperation can be envisaged and developed.” The minister suggested the useful and important role that China could play in addressing the climate change challenge and in implementing its commitments made at the Paris climate change meet, as well as trade and commerce. Nevertheless, Parly was quick to characterize China’s actions in the South China Sea as becoming “more and more aggressive.”
On defense industrial collaboration, which was the main agenda for the French minister’s visit, Singh reportedly told his counterpart that either the French companies should “collaborate with Indian companies or simply produce in India.” Parly said that France is ready to assist India on its requirement for additional Rafale fighter jets while working with India to strengthen the “Make in India” initiative by incorporating Indian manufacturers into the broader global supply chains.
Meanwhile, France has already been participating in India’s “Make in India” initiative in the defense sector such as in submarines. Speaking at a security forum in India, Parly further stated that “We are ready to answer any additional needs or requests that could be made by India. We know that an aircraft carrier will soon be delivered. Aircraft are needed.” India’s newest aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, an indigenously built one, is to be operational in August 2022. India has already purchased 36 Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force in flyaway condition, of which 33 have been delivered to India and the remaining three are to be delivered in early 2022.
The European Union’s approach to the Indo-Pacific under French presidency is also of interest to India. Parly promised that the EU would remain India’s “natural partner” given the Indian and French affection for concepts like strategic autonomy. She went on to say that EU will augment its engagement with the Indo-Pacific, and engage in “enhanced naval presence to tangible solutions for connectivity, environment protection, and health.” India is meant to play a key role in actualizing this action-oriented agenda and will be part of an Indo-Pacific Ministerial Forum to be held in February 2022.
France has continued to remain one of India’s trusted strategic partners, with cooperation extending across many issues. France’s role in India’s capacity development in addressing the emerging threats from China is real given its material stake in the region. Following the Galwan clash and the continuing adversarial India-China ties, India and France can be expected to bolster their security and strategic engagements in the coming years with a greater sense of purpose. Unlike the U.S., France has no negative historical baggage in India’s strategic history and hence, New Delhi’s ability to push forward closer strategic engagements will only bring it more political benefits.
France in the Indo-Pacific: French, Indian Defense Ministers Meet for 3rd Annual Dialogue
France has continued to remain one of India’s trusted strategic partners, with cooperation extending across many issues.
thediplomat.com
Americans are a long time Pakistan and China allies and used to undermine Indian interests at every opportunity. It’s only after 72 defeat, that Indian leaders started to look beyond traditional allies like USSR and duplicitous NAM alliance and approached US for military and financial support.
Even then US kept funding ISI and Pak Military apparatus in fear of falling it completely in Chinese laps, which eventually happened in recent years, not before Pakiees sucking Tens of Billions of dollars every year covertly and in form of CSF and Civilian Infrastructure support and some of that fund was diverted by later to arm and train Talibs who killed hundreds of US soldiers every year until US got frustrated and run away from the Afghanistan leaving their ANA allies high and dry just like Vietnam.
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Whadaya want? Why did you summon mein ghost here?
Are you saying that you frenchies and India are so chummy with each other that if India and chicoms got into a conflict you frenchies would come to their aid? Well good for you. IAF will need all the french help it can get since 36 4th gen fighters with a 50-55% MCR will not even be enough to deter the
chicoms air force that already fly 5th gen fighters and has the largest modern 4th gen fleet of that region.
No I'm saying that we Frenchies have such a good relationship with India that we will sell them Rafales for their aircraft carrier and that the Yankees have such a bad relationship with them that they can't do anything about it.
Well good for you... so what's your point?
Actually you have to bribe them to take your plane and once they got it they discovered the horror and capped it at 36 instead of buying the 120+.
And yeah our relations is so bad that they are buying C17's, Apaches, P8s, Chappaz and other systems, huh? It's the "jewel" that they really want and that is the F-35 which the US is not there yet when it comes to selling India the most advanced fighter ever. You french have no issue selling them your advanced fighter because it's not really advanced when compared to the F-35.
US is actually willing to sell them our advanced 4th gen fighters that are equal to the french plane but in a way to them it is an insult since we have the F-35 and are selling and offering to many nations except them.
Hope all those weapons you've created especially "the jewel" stands you in good stead when the Chinese initiate their plans to invade Taiwan , which they will just as sure as day follows night & you don't get up & scram & leave your allies in the lurch as you've always done just as sure as day follows night .Well good for you... so what's your point?
Actually you have to bribe them to take your plane and once they got it they discovered the horror and capped it at 36 instead of buying the 120+.
And yeah our relations is so bad that they are buying C17's, Apaches, P8s, Chappaz and other systems, huh? It's the "jewel" that they really want and that is the F-35 which the US is not there yet when it comes to selling India the most advanced fighter ever. You french have no issue selling them your advanced fighter because it's not really advanced when compared to the F-35.
US is actually willing to sell them our advanced 4th gen fighters that are equal to the french plane but in a way to them it is an insult since we have the F-35 and are selling and offering to many nations except them.
yeah , India wants to be in a position like that of turkey with their f35 and pakistanis their f16's.Well good for you... so what's your point?
Actually you have to bribe them to take your plane and once they got it they discovered the horror and capped it at 36 instead of buying the 120+.
And yeah our relations is so bad that they are buying C17's, Apaches, P8s, Chappaz and other systems, huh? It's the "jewel" that they really want and that is the F-35 which the US is not there yet when it comes to selling India the most advanced fighter ever. You french have no issue selling them your advanced fighter because it's not really advanced when compared to the F-35.
US is actually willing to sell them our advanced 4th gen fighters that are equal to the french plane but in a way to them it is an insult since we have the F-35 and are selling and offering to many nations except them.
Ever heard the saying that with frenemies like US there is no need for Enemies?All those weapon systems you are bragging off are non critical and one off purchases to fill existing gaps, they are not the mainstay. Probably you should ask yourself the question why India gave boot to US wrt to S400 despite the CAATSA circus.
yeah , India wants to be in a position like that of turkey with their f35 and pakistanis their f16's.
Turkey is NATO and knew the rules the US had when it came to the F-35 and broke it. It's that simple.
Apaches and P8s gap fillers you say? What indigenous gunship is India working on? What indigenous maritime patrol aircraft with ASW, ASUW and shipping interdiction is India working on? Just because P8 can't shoot down incoming chicom fighters or launch strikes against chicom assets doesn't mean it isn't critical. Lets see how well India does against chicom subs without P8's. Seems IN and India deemed it very critical to have such weapon system to keep their waters infested with advanced enemy subs.
Because US wasn't offering the F-35. India has been interested in F-35 it's the US that hasn't offered it. You can bet your butt if the US decided to offer India the F-35 India would start making a lot of changes to make it possible. IAF wants stealth fighters in its fleet and it wants them bad they know they are outclassed by the PLAAF no matter how much they hype their 36 4th gen french planes. IAF knows F-35s are nuke capable and the only fighters that will survive penetrating heavily defended modern airspace.
Sorry, but you have a short memory. Hillary Clinton , while secretary, DID offer F-35 to India. The answer was a simple no thanks.
Hilarious post when you consider the vastly documented history of LM bribes... (e.g. F-104 "widowmaker" in Germany). On the other hand, LM do not need anymore to bribe anyone as USA is twisting arms for them...Well good for you... so what's your point?
Actually you have to bribe them to take your plane and once they got it they discovered the horror and capped it at 36 instead of buying the 120+.
And yeah our relations is so bad that they are buying C17's, Apaches, P8s, Chappaz and other systems, huh? It's the "jewel" that they really want and that is the F-35 which the US is not there yet when it comes to selling India the most advanced fighter ever. You french have no issue selling them your advanced fighter because it's not really advanced when compared to the F-35.
US is actually willing to sell them our advanced 4th gen fighters that are equal to the french plane but in a way to them it is an insult since we have the F-35 and are selling and offering to many nations except them.