India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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vstol Jockey said:
In fact If you read my posts just after 14th, you will see that I clearly stated that Indian Opposition marwayega Pakistan ko, By forcing Modi's hand to strike across. BTW what do you think might have been the sequence of events after Pulwama? How do think the 26th strike culminated in such a resolute action?
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Opposition was silent sir after 14th Feb attack as reprisal was promised directly from PM. Barring an idiot or two opposition kept quite and only after air strikes they went into suicidal mode after fearing that magnitude of strike will wipe them out. Only then they tried to change the narrative and it just went out of their hand, they still haven't understand how angry is public, general public, daily marches and unrest, social media and media forced the hand of government to strike and strike big.
 
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Falcon said:
Neither. At least directly. But you are right - Baluchistan is going to be very interesting.
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A repeat of URI or Pulwama cant/wont be responded by bombing a similar terrorist camp . Only a visible direct attack on GHQ /Gwadar which arnab can scream about will/should be the right response .
 
ANATOMY OF A STRIKE BY AIR.

Let me just think out of my head and also create an imaginary sequence of events of what happened between 14th till 27th Feb.
  • We loose over 40 troops in Pulwama strike on 14th.
  • The nation and its leadership is aghast and want revenge. CCS meets and a decision is taken to send a clear message across.
  • RAW and NTRO are asked to locate targets which can be hit as a message and they already have a detailed list of such targets.
  • IA is told to retaliate with force on LOC and cause maximum damage to PA at the same time.
  • HUMINT and assests on ground in Pakistan are activated for clear and precise information on 16th feb.
  • IA, IAF & IN are taken into confidence and asked to give the appriciation of what can be done and how to avenge Pulwama and what will happen after that and its fallouts and if they are capable of escalation and also de-escalating based on the situation. This happens on 17th.
  • The arty strikes by IA fail to acheive the kind of casualties which can satisfy the Indian people. Decision is taken to do something big and cause pain directly to Pak Army.
  • IA, IAF and IN give a go ahead to CCS on 18th.
  • Initially a military target in Sialkot is picked up and on 20th a go ahead is given to IAF to strike it.
  • The strike takes place on 21st and causes massive damage to PA. This was a clear strike by IAF on a Military target in Pakistan resulting in large number of deaths and blowing up of their ammo dump and also Brigade HQ.
  • Pakistan probably understands it as a likely ground thrust and full scale invasion and moves its formations forward.
  • At the same time a lull sets in in Pak Army that India having taken revenge will not escalate the situation. But Pak plans a counter strike on similar formations in India. The planning by PAF starts on 22nd.
  • The information that all JEM guys are meeting in Balakot to celebrate the 14th feb strike is received and the list of people likely to attend the meeting is recieved by RAW on 21st and also substantiated by NTRO.
  • This being a most juicy target, India decides to withhold the information about Sialkot strike as even Pakistan underplays it like they did in 2016 surgical strikes.
  • Friendly countries and their assets in air are now used to pin point the targets. Fresh targets are assigned to IAF and they give a go ahead and all clear.
  • IA and IN give go ahead along with IAF and give all clear to even full scale war. IN especially asks for permission to strike and demolish Karachi but are told to hold back and await further instructions based on how Pak behaves post strikes.
  • IAF selects its best guys to do the job and a full spectrum of deception and deciet is created by rapid thrusts towards LOC/IB by other aircraft.
  • The Pilots flying these deception strikes are not even aware of what exactly they are upto. Only the guys in Gwalior know it and start night low level strike practices.
  • IAF briefs the CCS that they are ALL GO on 24th.
  • CCS clears a strike on this target on 24th itself and the strike goes as planned on 25th-26th night.
  • Pilots assemble in their briefing rooms at 1am on 26th. Get their "Uppers" and man the cockpits. The launch takes place at 0315hrs.
  • One after the other 12 of them disappear in the black sky above them and they get refueled over Chandigarh for ingress.
  • The strike goes as planned. Aircraft capture the videos of the IIR head in final moments of the strike and return to base. They are again refueled over Punjab.
  • The deception works as per plan and the damage to the targets is also as per estimation and also confirmed thru SAR Images from a friendly country which had picked up the exact strike because the timing of the strike was decided based on the passage of the satellite over the target of this friendly country.
  • This friendly country wanted to see how its STUFF works in hilly terrain.
  • The BDA is made available to view to the CCS on 26th itself and so are the SAR pictures. CCS declares it as "Pre-emptive strike on non military targets"
  • The truth of 21st strike will remain buried as that will change our narrative and PA will never accept it.
  • On 27th, PAF strikes to take revenge for 21st Sialkot strike and targets those very formations which IAF had hit on 21st. Their pilots panic and release their bombs at sub optimal altitudes resulting in fuses not getting armed and large miss distances. The story that fuses were removed is a fabrication.
  • PAF got shit scared when they heard IAF controllers asking them to turn back. Their cover was blown and they were picked up the moment they took off from their bases by IAF.
  • PAF striking IA formations was viewed very seriously by CCS and a Go Ahead was given to IN to strike Karachi on 27th night. IN does not need to move its assets close to Karachi. IN Can strike Karachi and Mig-29Ks can strike as deep as Tashkant in Uzbekistan without crossing the lattitude of Mangalore.
  • That night, Pak leadership begged to the world to somehow stop India and agreed to do whatever India asked.
  • The number of dead PA guys is over 300 and a similar number died in Balakot.
This is a fictional account of what happened till date. Believe it at your own cost. BUT can't it be TRUE?
 
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vstol Jockey said:
IN Can strike Karachi and Mig-29Ks can strike as deep as Tashkant in Uzbekistan without crossing the lattitude of Mangalore.
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How can MiG 29k attack Tashkent in Uzbekistan without crossing the Latitude in Mangalore? The distance between Mangalore & Tashkent must be 4000 kms plus, at least. Can you elaborate on it?
 
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How can MiG 29k attack Tashkent in Uzbekistan without crossing the Latitude in Mangalore? The distance between Mangalore & Tashkent must be 4000 kms plus, at least. Can you elaborate on it?
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Our small birds have buddy refueling and the refuelers can operate from even Porbander. The Strike will be launched from Deck and will get refuelled over sea near Rann of Kutch and move on. In return the same will be done for them to get back to the Deck.

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I was wondering this same thing.
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We don't need big fat cows as refuellers like IAF. One Mig-29K acting as a refueler with Drop tanks can refuel two aircraft for additional strike range of over 500NM. I had stated else where that Mig-29Ks of IN can strike upto 1200NM which means 20* in terms of latitude. Ckeck out he latitude of Mangalore and that of Tashkant. You will get your answer. Mumbai is about 19.55*N and Mangalore is about 15*N. depending on where the refueling is done and what profile is chosen, we can do it.
 
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Sathya said:
Any idea what are all the PaK UAVs that we shot ?
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Just went and asked this question in Pdf and got thread banned.

I think seriously those guys don't even want to hear anything outside of their narrative.

Even for the expendable UAVs ..,

For all.we know , India might have lost costly missile to take them out , still ummhummm.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Our small birds have buddy refueling and the refuelers can operate from even Porbander. The Strike will be launched from Deck and will get refuelled over sea near Rann of Kutch and move on. In return the same will be done for them to get back to the Deck.


We don't need big fat cows as refuellers like IAF. One Mig-29K acting as a refueler with Drop tanks can refuel two aircraft for additional strike range of over 500NM. I had stated else where that Mig-29Ks of IN can strike upto 1200NM which means 20* in terms of latitude. Ckeck out he latitude of Mangalore and that of Tashkant. You will get your answer. Mumbai is about 19.55*N and Mangalore is about 15*N. depending on where the refueling is done and what profile is chosen, we can do it.
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Mumbai - Mangalore is approximately 295 NM. It's a further 1000 NM to Tashkent at least (?). Then they've to return the same route.
 
vstol Jockey said:
ANATOMY OF A STRIKE BY AIR.

Let me just think out of my head and also create an imaginary sequence of events of what happened between 14th till 27th Feb.
  • We loose over 40 troops in Pulwama strike on 14th.
  • The nation and its leadership is aghast and want revenge. CCS meets and a decision is taken to send a clear message across.
  • RAW and NTRO are asked to locate targets which can be hit as a message and they already have a detailed list of such targets.
  • IA is told to retaliate with force on LOC and cause maximum damage to PA at the same time.
  • HUMINT and assests on ground in Pakistan are activated for clear and precise information on 16th feb.
  • IA, IAF & IN are taken into confidence and asked to give the appriciation of what can be done and how to avenge Pulwama and what will happen after that and its fallouts and if they are capable of escalation and also de-escalating based on the situation. This happens on 17th.
  • The arty strikes by IA fail to acheive the kind of casualties which can satisfy the Indian people. Decision is taken to do something big and cause pain directly to Pak Army.
  • IA, IAF and IN give a go ahead to CCS on 18th.
  • Initially a military target in Sialkot is picked up and on 20th a go ahead is given to IAF to strike it.
  • The strike takes place on 21st and causes massive damage to PA. This was a clear strike by IAF on a Military target in Pakistan resulting in large number of deaths and blowing up of their ammo dump and also Brigade HQ.
  • Pakistan probably understands it as a likely ground thrust and full scale invasion and moves its formations forward.
  • At the same time a lull sets in in Pak Army that India having taken revenge will not escalate the situation. But Pak plans a counter strike on similar formations in India. The planning by PAF starts on 22nd.
  • The information that all JEM guys are meeting in Balakot to celebrate the 14th feb strike is received and the list of people likely to attend the meeting is recieved by RAW on 21st and also substantiated by NTRO.
  • This being a most juicy target, India decides to withhold the information about Sialkot strike as even Pakistan underplays it like they did in 2016 surgical strikes.
  • Friendly countries and their assets in air are now used to pin point the targets. Fresh targets are assigned to IAF and they give a go ahead and all clear.
  • IA and IN give go ahead along with IAF and give all clear to even full scale war. IN especially asks for permission to strike and demolish Karachi but are told to hold back and await further instructions based on how Pak behaves post strikes.
  • IAF selects its best guys to do the job and a full spectrum of deception and deciet is created by rapid thrusts towards LOC/IB by other aircraft.
  • The Pilots flying these deception strikes are not even aware of what exactly they are upto. Only the guys in Gwalior know it and start night low level strike practices.
  • IAF briefs the CCS that they are ALL GO on 24th.
  • CCS clears a strike on this target on 24th itself and the strike goes as planned on 25th-26th night.
  • Pilots assemble in their briefing rooms at 1pm on 26th. Get their "Uppers" and man the cockpits. The launch takes place at 0315hrs.
  • One after the other 12 of them disappear in the black sky above them and they get refueled over Chandigarh for ingress.
  • The strike goes as planned. Aircraft capture the videos of the IIR head in final moments of the strike and return to base. They are again refueled over Punjab.
  • The deception works as per plan and the damage to the targets is also as per estimation and also confirmed thru SAR Images from a friendly country which had picked up the exact strike because the timing of the strike was decided based on the passage of the satellite over the target of this friendly country.
  • This friendly country wanted to see how its STUFF works in hilly terrain.
  • The BDA is made available to view to the CCS on 26th itself and so are the SAR pictures. CCS declares it as "Pre-emptive strike on non military targets"
  • The truth of 21st strike will remain buried as that will change our narrative and PA will never accept it.
  • On 27th, PAF strikes to take revenge for 21st Sialkot strike and targets those very formations which IAF had hit on 21st. Their pilots panic and release their bombs at sub optimal altitudes resulting in fuses not getting armed and large miss distances. The story that fuses were removed is a fabrication.
  • PAF got shit scared when they heard IAF controllers asking them to turn back. Their cover was blown and they were picked up the moment they took off from their bases by IAF.
  • PAF striking IA formations was viewed very seriously by CCS and a Go Ahead was given to IN to strike Karachi on 27th night. IN does not need to move its assets close to Karachi. IN Can strike Karachi and Mig-29Ks can strike as deep as Tashkant in Uzbekistan without crossing the lattitude of Mangalore.
  • That night, Pak leadership begged to the world to somehow stop India and agreed to do whatever India asked.
  • The number of dead PA guys is over 300 and a similar number died in Balakot.
This is a fictional account of what happened till date. Believe it at your own cost. BUT can't it be TRUE?
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Millions of Thanks Sir

Now please update this sequence of events
After WC Abhinandan release

What I read is that since March 1
The Bofors guns have been pounding
The Shit out them

Even yesterday some Important target
Was hit at Chakoti

And what was that Third Surgical Strike
That Rajnath spoke
 
vstol Jockey said:
Our small birds have buddy refueling and the refuelers can operate from even Porbander. The Strike will be launched from Deck and will get refuelled over sea near Rann of Kutch and move on. In return the same will be done for them to get back to the Deck.


We don't need big fat cows as refuellers like IAF. One Mig-29K acting as a refueler with Drop tanks can refuel two aircraft for additional strike range of over 500NM. I had stated else where that Mig-29Ks of IN can strike upto 1200NM which means 20* in terms of latitude. Ckeck out he latitude of Mangalore and that of Tashkant. You will get your answer. Mumbai is about 19.55*N and Mangalore is about 15*N. depending on where the refueling is done and what profile is chosen, we can do it.
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We have 45 MiG 29 K

Why cant we permanently deploy
15 of them in Jamnagar
 
Sathya said:
Just went and asked this question in Pdf and got thread banned.

I think seriously those guys don't even want to hear anything outside of their narrative.

Even for the expendable UAVs ..,

For all.we know , India might have lost costly missile to take them out , still ummhummm.
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Serves you right for daring to challenge any narrative scripted by HH DG ISPR!!!
 
Sathya said:
Just went and asked this question in Pdf and got thread banned.

I think seriously those guys don't even want to hear anything outside of their narrative.

Even for the expendable UAVs ..,

For all.we know , India might have lost costly missile to take them out , still ummhummm.
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Did you read about that Award won by
Ghafoor of Ispr ONLY for LYING

And what do they call it

Successful Information warfare

All Pakistanis are bloody Liars

That is their only achievement in life
 
Sathya said:
Any idea what are all the PaK UAVs that we shot ?
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I looked and this is what I found. Hope it helps:



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I have 2 queries, Whats with the friendly PC3 Orine over our skies and why weren't Garud commandos deployed to SAR the Mig21 pilot downed just 7Km behind the enemy lines?
 
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