India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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safriz said:
Obviously the on ground intelligence.
India has been shooting down many Pakistani drones on the border areas, as Pakistan has been actively collecting intelligence on Indian troops .
Brahmos units are on the ready as per the intelligence, and so are Pakistani response.
Air India is taking 3 Caror Rupees per day losses , and so are other Indian airlines.
All for "Modi Jii" election victory via creating a war against Pakistan.
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The 'Strike' formations of the IA are still sleeping. What is giving you sleepless nights is the standard peace time status of the IA. Just that, they are increasing firecrackers rate. Good usage of old stock.

Air India total loss for the year will be 3*365=1095 crores. Bhai, it has an annual bailout package of 4600 crore.

If it was all for "Modi ji", then guess who ensured it will happen, IK Niazi and Khajoor and gang. Modi is indeed powerful, going by your logic.
 
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safriz said:
LOL.... Nice story bro.
Where's the wreckage?
Likewise we claimed to hit an Indian SU-30 but don't have wreckage.
So if your story is to be believed without proof, so ours must be credible too?
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The issue remains your current twitter ministry has long long history of BS'sing through it's nose.Remember Rashid Quereshi's ISPR days and his drama during Kargil days of washing Pakistan Hands off kargil and claiming Indian Army is fighting Kashmiri Mujhhideens , a bulk of which turned out to be commissioned PA officers and soldiers in shalwaar kameez.
 
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Gautam said:
Really Sir ? How come media, both foreign and domestic(yes, I consider them laypersons) never seem to take our side in trade disputes with US ?
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US and India trade dispute is small matter to begin with. I've seen plenty take "India's" side on it too. It just depends where you go for the news/perspective.

Gautam said:
Are there such countries at all ? That too in the P5 ? Which countries and what are their motivations ?
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Basically the P3 (US, UK, France) patience is wearing thin over time with the P2 (China and Russia). This should be recognised and worked upon relevantly by other aspiring powers that want better representation.
 
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Milspec said:
The issue remains your current twitter ministry has long long history of BS'sing through it's nose.Remember Rashid Quereshi's ISPR days and his drama during Kargil days of washing Pakistan Hands off kargil and claiming Indian Army is fighting Kashmiri Mujhhideens , a bulk of which turned out to be commissioned PA officers and soldiers in shalwaar kameez.
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Yes remember all that...
When they mess up we Pakistanis are the first to condemn them and we did it back then.
 
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Shajida Khan said:
And Pakistani airports are completely free to operate? They are losing ALL of their revenues. More than 300 Caror per day.

You do know India also has airports in souther parts... They never had one single day of non operation or redirection..

It hurts Pakistan way way more. Becuase of its poor economic condition.

Any economic conflict will destroy Pakistan.

And lets not even talk about the disruption of sea lanes...
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Most of our PIA routes are West bound, towards Middle east and Europe. So no PIA isnt losing that much. Yes losses are there but not as much as India's,as many Indians work and live in Muslim nations of Middle east and flights that way are now far more expensive.
 
safriz said:
LOL.... Nice story bro.
Where's the wreckage?
Likewise we claimed to hit an Indian SU-30 but don't have wreckage.
So if your story is to be believed without proof, so ours must be credible too?
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This only applies if both sides have history of official lieing or both have history of truth at official level when it comes to conflicts.

Unfortunately one side (noticeably Eastern Wing "victories" and NLI involvement suppression) has clear history of lieing at the official level.....while the other does not.

Therefore you do not register in "equal equal" when it comes to conflict PR credibility and that will never change.

You are a laughing stock.... I mean which country in the world loses half its country after loudly proclaiming massive victories all through those 2 weeks? The record speaks for itself.

BTW this matters, because reasonable, neutral people that actually matter can easily be shown this record. Their worth is a million times more than social media riffraff. Remember this is why in the end a tiny country ends up defeating your "ummah" handily as well. You lot simply chest thump, posture, brandish but fail miserably when it comes to anything of note....brains OR brawn.
 
Nilgiri said:
This only applies if both sides have history of official lieing or both have history of truth at official level when it comes to conflicts.

Unfortunately one side (noticeably Eastern Wing "victories" and NLI involvement suppression) has clear history of lieing at the official level.....while the other does not.

Therefore you do not register in "equal equal" when it comes to conflict PR credibility and that will never change.

You are a laughing stock.... I mean which country in the world loses half its country after loudly proclaiming massive victories all through those 2 weeks? The record speaks for itself.

BTW this matters, because reasonable, neutral people that actually matter can easily be shown this record. Their worth is a million times more than social media riffraff. Remember this is why in the end a tiny country ends up defeating your "ummah" handily as well. You lot simply chest thump, posture, brandish but fail miserably when it comes to anything of note....brains OR brawn.
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You missed the better part. they start a conflict with a superiority complex, end up getting their asses kicked and then celebrate a national day ever since.
 
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Paro said:
You missed the better part. they start a conflict with a superiority complex, end up getting their asses kicked and then celebrate a national day ever since.
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Sticking purely to the undeniable lies made at official level....since we are on topic of claims/counter-claims PR etc.

The complex of course is something much larger...stemming from having a military with a country rather than a country with a military.
 
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Paro said:
You missed the better part. they start a conflict with a superiority complex, end up getting their asses kicked and then celebrate a national day ever since.
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Oh you mean our 1965 Victory in which the guy who made the peace deal Shastri, was killed by you the very next day and our President Ayub Khan shouldered his dead body?
It was a murder of shame..
If you gona take the thread off topic then you will hear a lot from me ...
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safriz said:
Most of our PIA routes are West bound, towards Middle east and Europe. So no PIA isnt losing that much. Yes losses are there but not as much as India's,as many Indians work and live in Muslim nations of Middle east and flights that way are now far more expensive.
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The problem is that you have to close your ENTIRE airspace. So no, ALL your flights are being cancelled.

So relatively speaking, your air industry faces much higher losses because closure of airspace disrupts ALL your airports.
 
safriz said:
Oh you mean our 1965 Victory in which the guy who made the peace deal Shastri, was killed by you the very next day and our President Ayub Khan shouldered his dead body?
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May I ask how much territory you gained in '65?

If it is none or minimal, then what victory?

Now if we can say the same about '71 war... then....
 
safriz said:
Oh you mean our 1965 Victory in which the guy who made the peace deal Shastri, was killed by you the very next day and our President Ayub Khan shouldered his dead body?
It was a murder of shame..
If you gona take the thread off topic then you will hear a lot from me ...
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Your goal, through Op Gibraltar, was to infiltrate J&K with commandos and start a mass uprising with the end objective of wresting J&K. Ultimately all of them (save for a few who ran away) were killed or captured; many by local Kashmiris themselves. We retaliated to your misadventure by escalating far beyond anything you had expected. We took back Haji Pir Pass which you could only regain at the negotiating table, not through force or bravery; and we came and parked ourselves right outside of Lahore, choosing not to advance further.

What victory?
 
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Shajida Khan said:
The problem is that you have to close your ENTIRE airspace. So no, ALL your flights are being cancelled.

So relatively speaking, your air industry faces much higher losses because closure of airspace disrupts ALL your airports.
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This was Kishangarh Rajisthan with Pakistani Flag..
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RATHORE said:
Your goal, through Op Gibraltar, was to infiltrate J&K with commandos and start a mass uprising with the end objective of wresting J&K. Ultimately all of them (save for a few who ran away) were killed or captured; many by local Kashmiris themselves. We retaliated to your misadventure by escalating far beyond anything you had expected. We took back Haji Pir Pass which you could only regain at the negotiating table, not through force or bravery; and we came and parked ourselves right outside of Lahore, choosing not to advance further.

What victory?
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I dont know what you Indians were told, but we grew up with 1965 war veterans. The main reason was same as today. Indian attempts of blocking Pakistan's water. Thats why we went to war
 
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