Case specific point, I tend to agree with him, just this once. That he writes Fiction is a separate issue.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Case specific point, I tend to agree with him, just this once. That he writes Fiction is a separate issue.
Praveen Sawhney is only showing concerns.
To me this whole skirmish was nothing but a war which ended like a joke on social media. Please watch how IAF raided Dhaka, there are videos availible og Mig21s on he bombing run. That was bl**dy real war. Now we only hear some diplomats going to UN for meetings on Masood Azhar and China. At least military should tell it's success stories if they did something.
Pakistanis escalated when they wanted to, and they brought India to talk to them when they wanted to. Masood Azhar still roams without any verdict by courts. It's a lock situation now. If we call this victory then I am bit afraid that something somewhere is not doing his job in armed forces and civil sincerely. Or Indian government is busy with elections and don't want people to panic.
To me this whole skirmish was nothing but a war which ended like a joke on social media. Please watch how IAF raided Dhaka, there are videos availible og Mig21s on he bombing run. That was bl**dy real war. Now we only hear some diplomats going to UN for meetings on Masood Azhar and China. At least military should tell it's success stories if they did something.
Pakistanis escalated when they wanted to, and they brought India to talk to them when they wanted to. Masood Azhar still roams without any verdict by courts. It's a lock situation now. If we call this victory then I am bit afraid that something somewhere is not doing his job in armed forces and civil sincerely. Or Indian government is busy with elections and don't want people to panic.
I am pissed at the article, but having said that... A breach is a breach. We gave a statement that they had purpose to attack an Army bde HQ (ofcouse they couldn't). Our RoE could have been better.
Sir, the payload did fall inside the military compound. It would be foolish to say that retaliation was due only when it had to fall on the quarters and barracks with hundred of casualties.
Providing proofs to the world and letting the Pak cry of forgery is far better than providing proofs to none.
What kind of classified capability are we referring? Radar painting whats happening in front of it and recording the flight paths?
Proofs are never for Pakistan at first place.
And we are not living in dark ages anymore. Institutions have their accountability. In this whole fiasco one of the institute - either Pak or India is lying. In Pakistan, post likes your from Pakistanis are convincing people to trust their forces blindly.
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Too Close to elections and This was not a "victory" by any standards, what we did was to establish that there is a space between nuclear threshold.. to do punitive and punishment strikes. BUT, it didn't establish any deterrence wrt Pakistan, (Fcuk I sound like Shawney
).Shawney wants India to have the same effect on Pakistan that China has on us. Long term vision I'd agree with Him, then again it will take us time to build that kind of capacity. Even if we do I don't think Pakistan will back down even then, it sub conventional warafre will continue. Conventional Warfare didn't end Taliban in Afghnistan, It won't stop Pakistan either.
Modi can Escalate , it is very easy
But then Inflation will Rise
Before elections
What is the Hurry to kill them
Let us wait for a few more months
Problem is the plan was spoilt by the wing Cmdr Abhinandan and IAF for bad publicity. Otherwise things were planned.
Carry out air raid on Pakistan to satisfy the anger of Indians before elections, thwart Pakistani retaliation. Boast about it. Now we have nothing to boast about. Modi also has said that very clearly that he can't wait much. This means that military and civil botched up something.
Either they should limited to artillery and only deployed IAF after elections or escalated only at LC level. like in 2016.
The civil military has botched things up and I am sure many would be dismissed from services.
You are talking about an Ideal Situation
Which does not exist
If Abhinandan had not brought down
The F 16 , we would have had only Balakot
To show for
We now know that PAF will fire AAM from within their territory at planes inside our
Territory
Now this game can be played both ways
PAF carries out readiness exercises from motorways | The Express Tribune
It's good that he shot down F16 but that was his duty and that's what he is trained for.
Balakot strike was to expose Pakistan. Now they say the Mazjid remains and did not come down, where as earlier these fellas were denying that that there is any such place. You see!
But this does not solve problem as in the case of Hafeez Syed too.
The only thing troubled is other nations intervened and called for de-escalation due to POW scenario.
But then the question is when PAF was firing their AMRAAM's at will why did we held ourselves?
Probably abinandan's crash would have changed the real plan behind the RoE initially put in place...
Too Close to elections and This was not a "victory" by any standards, what we did was to establish that there is a space between nuclear threshold.. to do punitive and punishment strikes. BUT, it didn't establish any deterrence wrt Pakistan, (Fcuk I sound like Shawney
Shawney wants India to have the same effect on Pakistan that China has on us. Long term vision I'd agree with Him, then again it will take us time to build that kind of capacity. Even if we do I don't think Pakistan will back down even then, it sub conventional warafre will continue. Conventional Warfare didn't end Taliban in Afghnistan, It won't stop Pakistan either.
Even the the Bangladesh creation did not stop them so most of the people in Government are aware of it. Point is India should be able to beat them and not give space to lie and do PR stunts at international level.
The Humiliation is the only solution for Pakistanis. Humiliate them on every platform. Chinese's can't do this to us.
Yup, I realised later.Wrong, one of them is an r-77.Pakistan thought it could fool the layman,but embarassed and exposed itself.Now where is the 2nd r-73?(not even taking into account 4 hardpoints)
One was R-77.
So the MIG-21 was flying with four Air to air missiles and no jamming pod.
Ok So you u think India Don't have capacity To hit Beyond the LoC like that bufoon claimed
So It Should be Cake walk For Pakistan army mard e momins To take IOK by force Why Didn't they ??
They Took there chances 4 times Why didn't they try 5 times If there larger than life friend PRC on there Side ???
The second R-73 was also found. Its still attached to the pilon of right wing which broke away and was found burnt and mangled.They displayed this the PAF.Too bad couldnt display the 2nd r73.
I will post pics later
Its a Edited Piece of a video by Pakistani. I only asked its relevance and its Contribution in Discussion in hand
The relevance and it's contribution is in that edited piece. You can agree with it or refute it. Don't shoot the messenger for the message. Praveen Sawhney may have his idiosyncrasies but the points he raises in this case are valid. Our responses were tepid and projection of military power found lacking - all the brave pronouncements of Operation Gagan Shakti & the heoics of Wing Co Abhinandan notwithstanding.
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