India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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NO. When the aircraft is coming towards you, the speed of the missile and the ingressing aircraft add up. So if the missile has a range of engagement of say 100 kms, you will be able to fire the missile when the aircraft is 120kms away. The aircraft will now fly towards the missile and the impact point will move closer to the missile and come within 100kms. Reverse of this happens when the aircraft is egressing. The impact point will move closer to the aircraft and away from the missile.
but depends on the distance between the aircraft. Kinetic energy keeps falling and target aircraft might zoom out of missile NEZ.
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The NEZ is a function of kinetic energy of the missile and its seeker capability. In egress, the relative speed of the missile and the aircraft reduces. So while the distance travelled by the missile is same, the aircraft has moved farther away from it. Finally reaching a point where the missile is unable to have sufficient speed advantage and kinetic energy to carry out a successful intercept.
Although I can get your logic, I still don't buy it. After all the Pulwama attack & the Pakistani retaliation on 27th Feb was conducted in broad daylight with the Wing Co Abhi as bonus. All our retaliatory measures were covert with the caveat by GoI - Believe me for we say so.
Since when & why are we too bothered about PA sensibilities & sensitivities? If the contention is that they can unleash further mayhem in Kashmir & beyond extracting costs on our economy, can't we reciprocate and further jeopardize their precious CPEC and Fauji Foundation?
It's this pussilanimity which gets my goat, time & again. Here is an enemy which has sworn to destroy you one way or another and we're still reading up on Prithviraj Chauhan, deriving dharmic lessons from his playbook on the rules of engagement in a war. What next? No engagements post sunset. No engaging soldiers who are asleep or unarmed?
Or do we hark back to as recent as the Shimla Agreement where in Bhutto pleaded inability to settle the kashmir dispute & IG's advisors went on to justify our not imposing terms as we didn't want a treaty of Versailles. Well, someone ought to tell them, if any of those worthies are alive , that the costs since 1980 in Pak sponsored terrorist activities in India easily outnumber by a factor of 10 all the casualties we suffered in the 4 wars we've fought with them. If this is what peace begat, how different is this from war?
When we we get a true measure of what we are truly up against in spite of it facing us squarely in our face and spitting on it constantly.
The road to hell is indeed paved with noble intentions.
I agree.
No single person should decide. At the same time correct perspective should also not be compromised in our quest to seek an 'inclusiveness' of opinion. Even Kanhaiya Kumar et al have an opinion as does a Kashmiri separatist.
While respect of individual perspective is an inherent strength of the democracy, the same is also the biggest weakness that an enemy of the State employs against the very same democracy.
Worldover, an effort to make India and present dispensation look like those spoiling for war, is being undertaken. Whether externally or internally, efforts to paint Indian society as one at perpetual war mongering, is being undertaken. It remained an effort on my part to counter the deliberate attempts at InfoWar, both knowingly or unknowingly being participated in by unsuspecting citizens.
Over the past few weeks this forum has gained credibility. Not with jingoism, not with abuses, but with making an effort to address every news item out there, as objectively as possible. The gravitation of members from Pakistan, who had a differring perspective, was indicative of change in perception among closed groups who quit active posting in PDF & BRF.
But I guess the 'fun' in being the normal run of the mill bombastic & jingoistic forum sans rationale and sense, is more lucrative than an attempt to be informed.
Even our disagreements have exhibited the tendency to look at aspects of varying inputs and laying them out. People are forming opinions reading us. Data and analysis of timelines indicates as such.
I do not get a single paise for wasting my time ascertaining facts to post here. Probably will get paid to put out my thoughts by media if I had that intent.
Don't have to be out. I anyways log in to correct perceptions, now won't.
Chill.
Cheers & out.
It's not pusillanimity but clever maneuver, a domestic brawl and tug of war serves as a good distraction. India did announce what they have done so where is it covert? And we are exacting a good cost that too making sure nobody inferring with us. You may have taken it in different context.
Great, now we are losing informed posters to accommodate unreliable Twitter accounts otherwise forum is autocratic!
Clever Manouvres can be appreciated once we go thru the entire cycle of responses. Not as an opening gambit. It's this pussilanimity which feeds PA's theory of India avoiding confrontation and encourages them to further up the ante.
The actions and the outcome were covert. Do you have the figures of casualties of our retaliation on 26th Feb vis a vis what they've extracted from us since 40 years culminating in Pulwama? You only have the GoI's word. What else do you have? Now, I'm not doubting for a moment that we have struck.
We are extracting a cost. Whether this is going to be a continuous process or a one off one is something time will tell. But if precedents are anything to go by, they aren't encouraging.
I have just one single question for all members. Are we firing all the ammo in air? If it is being fired at the enemy, then how come we have inflicted zero casualties? Every single tweet of that so called baba was tweeted by ANI later but we have had no tweet or official statement from IA. Earlier they did post the casualties suffered by PA but now this job seems to have been given to this so called Baba Banaras. I do not think that he is a troll.
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I had asked @nair to delete that post myself, which means i meant to take back what I posted. You don't need to quit the forum. I have nothing against you or anyone else. I would prefer if you stayed. Have no intention of causing problems to this forum or anyone else. Apologies if I have hurt you in any way.
Sir, the day a professional army like the IA and unlike the PA, outsources it's responsibilities to unknown and anonymous entities, is the day we are headed for trouble. For its one thing to indulge in psy ops against the enemy and quite another to do so against one's own people. Besides the services are one of the few institutions left in our benighted nation which is still regarded as credible and commands respect unlike our judiciary which demands it.For obvious reasons, I haven't even brought up political parties or legislatures here nor academia nor the media.
There is a chart known as Jeppessen Air route charts. Ask any commercial pilot about them. Have a look at them and after that make a statement.
Denial is a river in Egypt. It doesn't belong to us nor do we claim it. Unlike the Pakistanis.
Except it is not an enemy sworn to destroy you one way or another.
a) It is a govt that is trying to survive one way or another despite the elephant called PA
b) the PA is an animal with many heads that wants money, good life style, power over civilian government
c) within this mix is a group of people trying to do gazwa - e -hind with different levels of commitments- one that wants to do it, one that wants the money that comes with it and so on
Only navigating this minefield of different playres will give us what we want
Sirji, chauthi mein chaar baar fail ko kitna gyaan doge aur kitna woh iski samajh lega? Krupaya gadho ke saamne granth na padiye.
Reports of some accident in Awantipora saying 2 IAF personnel died in some kind of accident. Nature of accident not clear.
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