India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[randomradio]

Entertainment is Completely the Wrong word
To use , because our concern is two fold

1 Minimum harm coming to our troops
2 Maximum damage to the enemy

For both, all you can can do is pray, or fight on the front/HQ yourself. Even Modi cannot control this.

Whereas people like us without operational clearance live in a complete information black hole. Look at the Pakistanis yourself, they are completely oblivious to the facts themselves. And on PDF, even the professionals are doing their best to keep it that way. All some of them are literally doing is insulting anybody who has a different opinion. Similarly, you can expect Twitter to be jam-packed with all sorts of lies and half truths.

Everybody here is curious, but don't try to sate that with incomplete information. Just read and discard, read and discard...

 

[_Anonymous_]

Both of you are just describing entertainment here. None of you are doing it for academic, political or monetary gain. You are both just curious.

But then, I'd be very careful what you consume on the internet, 'cause most of it's going to be wrong, and even the IA will want it that way for quite sometime, until everything blows over.

If we are lucky, we will know the truth eventually. If not, tough luck.

Let me ask you this -

Have you lived thru the Punjab insurgency!? The inexorable rise of Bhindranwale? The slaughter of Hindus and Sikhs by him, his agents and his masters - PA & the deep state , precisely in this order?
i have.
(I'm not even getting into the area samaj roots and the Akali reform movement since the late 19th century and the early 20 th century. Please read up in it, if you're interested.)

When newspapers in Bombay & Delhi would scream in their headlines 25 killed by terrorists or less or more.!

I have.

Have you lived thru the "Rubaiya Sayeed crisis, " when JKLF under dead man walking Yasin Malik kidnapped the Daughter of Mufti Mohmmed Saeed in lieu of a ransom & freedom of arrested terrorists? "

I have.

Have you lived thru the Mumbai riots of 1992-93 when in a distant town like Ayodhya, a nondescripit mosque was demolished & Muslims here & the rest of India were outraged & went on the rampage only to be countered by the January riots in Jan 1993 in Mumbai, to which they countered with Pak help in the March 1993 Bombay bomb blasts?

I have.

I can go on...

Can you ?

Then there's the 2006 train bombings on 6/11 or 11/6 followed by the 26/11 attacks on 26 /11 in 2008

It's bad enough to hear barkha dutt, rajdeep saradesai etc on why bombay deserves its fate. Then we have you & this forum.

 

[Shajida Khan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113840496017793025

@vstol Jockey
Looks like dagger is broken.

Or was the dagger elsewhere?

 

[Shajida Khan]

Gaphoora follows his own private acc only...

Have you seen this behaviour elsewhere?

 

[randomradio]

Let me ask you this -

Have you lived thru the Punjab insurgency!? The inexorable rise of Bhindranwale? The slaughter of Hindus and Sikhs by him, his agents and his masters - PA & the deep state , precisely in this order?
i have.
(I'm not even getting into the area samaj roots and the Akali reform movement since the late 19th century and the early 20 th century. Please read up in it, if you're interested.)

When newspapers in Bombay & Delhi would scream in their headlines 25 killed by terrorists or less or more.!

I have.

Have you lived thru the "Rubaiya Sayeed crisis, " when JKLF under dead man walking Yasin Malik kidnapped the Daughter of Mufti Mohmmed Saeed in lieu of a ransom & freedom of arrested terrorists? "

I have.

Have you lived thru the Mumbai riots of 1992-93 when in a distant town like Ayodhya, a nondescripit mosque was demolished & Muslims here & the rest of India were outraged & went on the rampage only to be countered by the January riots in Jan 1993 in Mumbai, to which they countered with Pak help in the March 1993 Bombay bomb blasts?

I have.

I can go on...

Can you ?

Then there's the 2006 train bombings on 6/11 or 11/6 followed by the 26/11 attacks on 26 /11 in 2008

It's bad enough to hear barkha dutt, rajdeep saradesai etc on why bombay deserves its fate. Then we have you & this forum.

You have something confused. All this stuff you named was quite public. But military operations are a whole different story.

Do you know we do not know even a small percentage of even the 1947-48 wars? The military has kept everything relating to Pakistan and China since independence classified even today. For example, only a few years ago we came to know that multiple US/UK and Russian naval fleets were involved in the IOR during the 1971 war, all because Russia declassified some details. Whereas our military had told us only about the US 71st fleet and a Soviet submarine. This is something that happened 47 years ago. We have very little idea in the civilian circle about all our wars.

Do you know KFC's chicken recipe? I don't either. So why speculate? It goes nowhere. You can't fill in the blanks with your own stories.

As I said, read Twitter, get news from Facebook and Whatsapp, just don't make a big deal about it. The goal behind this forum is to keep things professional, meaning our news here shouldn't be coming from the media, it should be coming from actual sources. But it's now headed in the direction of the former.

The idea behind this forum is CIA, ISI, RAW etc should say "We got this piece of information from Strategic Front", and not "We got this piece of information from Strategic Front's retweet of Babaji". We are not here to retweet other people's tweets, we are here to become a one-stop source for all things relating to the Indian military. But we are not going to go anywhere when it comes to attracting actual military sources when members end up seriously discussing unsubstantiated fiction.

 

[Jaymax]

Who else thinks there is a relation between the Army's move to tighten up infiltration routes and Taliban's resurrection in Afghanistan?
Army is preparing for the possibility that the Taliban in power in Kabul will mean battle hardened fighters will again look to move towards Kashmir.

I can only wonder (not even guess) what the long term plan is but this seems like a very plausible short term scenario from where I see it

 

[LoneWolfSandeep]

--Babaji tweeted first of incident with some details

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113824994457350145

--Later corrected to the killed as not ordinary soldiers, but instead as BAT/special forces

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113833117020590080

--Lets see is it in isolation, we see of our own @STEPHEN COHEN quoting DM that 16 SSG were indeed killed

In today's Attack 16 SSG were killed

DM message

--Then we see one Sarfraz tweeted the same, before disappearing

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113858254340124672

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113857233534836736

--Coincidence probably.
But wait then we have this

Seems a very consistent info of attack which took place & similar casualties suffered by numerous sources.
But with even this much circumstantial evidence of different sources pointing to an incident & similar casualties suffered reported across border, I understand that in high probability my post may be deleted again & I again getting banned in protest(I don't care), when history repeats itself, coz protest I will... (I don't approve of any dictatorship), if you have different views then pls debate/discuss but don't Censor if your view differ, or coz you don't have anything much to say in civilized fashion, restoring to censorship.

 

[Paro]

only a few years ago we came to know that multiple US/UK and Russian naval fleets were involved in the IOR during the 1971 war, all because Russia declassified some details. Whereas our military had told us only about the US 71st fleet and a Soviet submarine. This is something that happened 47 years ago. We have very little idea in the civilian circle about all our wars.

Hey do you have any link to this?

 

[LoneWolfSandeep]

--Babaji tweeted first of incident with some details

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113824994457350145

--Later corrected to the killed as not ordinary soldiers, but instead as BAT/special forces

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113833117020590080

--Lets see is it in isolation, we see of our own @STEPHEN COHEN quoting DM that 16 SSG were indeed killed

--Then we see one Sarfraz tweeted the same, before disappearing


--Coincidence probably.
But wait then we have this
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Seems a very consistent info of attack which took place & similar casualties suffered by numerous sources.
But with even this much circumstantial evidence of different sources pointing to an incident & similar casualties suffered reported across border, I understand that in high probability my post may be deleted again & I again getting banned in protest(I don't care), when history repeats itself, coz protest I will... (I don't approve of any dictatorship), if you have different views then pls debate/discuss but don't Censor if your view differ, or coz you don't have anything much to say in civilized fashion, restoring to censorship.

Moreover this article India tells Pakistan won't stop retaliation on LoC until covert raids & infiltration stop
highlighting Covert Raiders, why now today been talked about by India? its surely points to be related to above incident

 

[Sathya]

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.

How authentic is this news..

@Falcon

 

[Shajida Khan]

How authentic is this news..

As much authentic as the writer and the un-named source she is quoting.
Its like a birdie told me that India blew up the moon.

There is a bigger question : Will anyone in Pentagon admit that a Mig-21 shot down a F-16?

 

[Gautam]

How authentic is this news..

Go by her previous articles. Seems like an arms lobbyist to me.
The Pentagon releases official press releases for everything, was there a press release for this ? If not, then the timing of this report is in itself a suspect.
Oh and most importantly did they count the F-16 Pak brought from Jordan or only the American supplied ones ?

 

[Shajida Khan]

India and Pakistan ON BRINK OF WAR after ceasefire BROKEN by ‘deplorable war crimes'

India and Pakistan ON BRINK OF WAR after ceasefire BROKEN by ‘deplorable war crimes'
THE INDIAN Army has killed “two dozen” Pakistani soldiers and civilians as the two nuclear nations teeter on the brink of a devastating war - despite a ceasefire being called weeks ago.


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As much as I hate British media, the news is now trickling out. @Falcon was right. DGISPR will not be able to contain this for too long.

 

[Gautam]

As much as I hate British media, the news is now trickling out.

I often feel that the British media has a lot in common with the Indian media.
So much hype. They type headlines with some normal letters and some bold all uppercase letters. Its almost like a teenager texting

 

[Golden_Rule]

In today's Attack 16 SSG were killed

DM message

Wow, that is a massive hit

 

[Paro]

India and Pakistan ON BRINK OF WAR after ceasefire BROKEN by ‘deplorable war crimes'

India and Pakistan ON BRINK OF WAR after ceasefire BROKEN by ‘deplorable war crimes'
THE INDIAN Army has killed “two dozen” Pakistani soldiers and civilians as the two nuclear nations teeter on the brink of a devastating war - despite a ceasefire being called weeks ago.


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As much as I hate British media, the news is now trickling out. @Falcon was right. DGISPR will not be able to contain this for too long.

2 dozen? That's an understatement.

 

[Golden_Rule]

yes, but it is when I get retirement from my farming profession will take time....

Babaji has versatile talent .... from psyops to composing songs

He seems to have great sense of humor ....

meri akhiyon ke noor, mujhse rehana no door
teri khabar main loonga, dagger se jaroor

lo bhai, hamne bhi Baba ki thodi madad kar di

 

[Nilgiri]

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.

How authentic is this news..

@Falcon

Likely just another land mine for ISPR to step on....after committing to taking a step fully.

They need to talk officially again....so might as well bait them a few ways.

 

[Ashwathama]

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.

How authentic is this news..

@Falcon

Didn't she write an article about how the mig 21 incident shows the need for F-16 for India? I would hold my judgement on that.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.

How authentic is this news..

@Falcon

maybe he locked and let loose the R 73 and it didn't bring it down?