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Now, interesting shall be if US makes an official statement on F-16 (not that they will as they have been given data already).
 
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What failure are we talking about here ? What makes you think the IAF is hiding a Failure ? What evidence do you have to suggest this and on What basis are you saying this. ? Lets not assume failures and then ask IAF questions which might hamper National security. Where exactly will this stop? Can I also raise questions on India's Nuclear weapons stockpiles and try to force the govt. to declassify state secrets?
In the end when no failures are found and all the state secrets are out, What then? If you have any proof and evidence, then this line of questioning matters. If you are throwing this out there blindly, then this is even more dangerous. Military has to now prove its innocence every time some mango man from the internet questions it ?
Take a breath and try to understand the difference between past operations, ongoing operations, nuclear secrets etc
We are not the Pakistani military establishment, we never will be. Please avoid giving me this line of reasoning.
It will be when so-called 'nationalists' say 'thou shall not question'. Their ultra-nationalists made that country that way. We should not go that path and its not an impossibility.
The Govt. made an incorrect decision and it paid the price. How about all the idiot peace niks who protested nonstop forcing govt. to make the stupid decision.
Only who made decision pay price. If they were stupid why make decision-based on their demand? Then who is the real stupid?

I trust the IAF to carry out an enquiry on the matter and take the right decisions. They don't need help from us, and they don't need us to question them. If the IAF said something, its true. IAF will carry out the inquiry, mistakes will be corrected, Feb 27th fight will be analysed and doctrines will be modified. IAF will do what is necessary. They don't need any Moral oversight from forum members. Systems are already in place to handle this.



The IAF is made of people much better than you and me, right now they need us to trust them. Not raise unnecessary doubts on their action every single time. I trust them to take the right action. This is not blind Faith, IAF till date has been honest about plane crashes, pilot losses and everything else. Don't even attempt to compare my trust with any *censored* and their military establishment.
Agree. But you have to remember they are also humans. Not everything can be fixed from inside. There should be checks and balances.

If forum members are so irrelevant then why is that other forum members getting outraged on their opinions/questions?
 
Take a breath and try to understand the difference between past operations, ongoing operations, nuclear secrets etc

That still does not answer my questions. Weather it is past or onging operation. Do you have any reason to believe the Force is hiding failures ?
Can we not wait until the entire fiasco is over before raising questions.

It will be when so-called 'nationalists' say 'thou shall not question'.?

So you can question people's Nationalism, with your "So called Nationalists" Jibe, and I cant question his intentions ?

Only who made decision pay price. If they were stupid why make decision-based on their demand? Then who is the real stupid?

Both ....The one who demanded and pressured and then one who folded.

Agree. But you have to remember they are also humans. Not everything can be fixed from inside. There should be checks and balances.

They are humans, but so are we, they are just the best of the lot of humans selected. I have not found any reason to question them. Hence I don't find it necessary to give them another headache.

If forum members are so irrelevant then why is that other forum members getting outraged on their opinions/questions?

Please quote me where I said forum members are "irrelevant". Exact quote please.

I said they don't need our Moral oversight from us. There is an information war going on against the IAF. There are attempts being made to discredit the IAF. Do you really think now is the right time to question them? Can we not at least wait until this is over? Can we not stand by them, at least for a few months ?
 
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Yes, he mentioned "National security" reason given was just an "excuse".
No I didnt and nor did I demanded any proof for myself, I was angry that India is letting the narrative slip. If IAF didnt conducted the briefing yesterday do you think HT would have asked and got quote from DoD officials?

Prime Minister of Pakistan tried to take advantage of that same story after Pakistani military why do you think it made no impact today? Why do you think Defence Journolists are defending and tweeting for India and was silent or non commital yesterday? Did IAF paid them? No, because they were taken into confidence and were used as a tool, the exact way they are designed to be used.

What failure are we talking about here ? What makes you think the IAF is hiding a Failure ? What evidence do you have to suggest this and on What basis are you saying this. ? Lets not assume failures and then ask IAF questions which might hamper National security. Where exactly will this stop? Can I also raise questions on India's Nuclear weapons stockpiles and try to force the govt. to declassify state secrets?
In the end when no failures are found and all the state secrets are out, What then? If you have any proof and evidence, then this line of questioning matters. If you are throwing this out there blindly, then this is even more dangerous. Military has to now prove its innocence every time some mango man from the internet questions it ?



We are not the Pakistani military establishment, we never will be. Please avoid giving me this line of reasoning.

"We are not like the Pakistan military. So show me all your secrets to prove that you are innocent."



The Govt. made an incorrect decision and it paid the price. How about all the idiot peace niks who protested nonstop forcing govt. to make the stupid decision.



I trust the IAF to carry out an enquiry on the matter and take the right decisions. They don't need help from us, and they don't need us to question them. If the IAF said something, its true. IAF will carry out the inquiry, mistakes will be corrected, Feb 27th fight will be analysed and doctrines will be modified. IAF will do what is necessary. They don't need any Moral oversight from forum members. Systems are already in place to handle this.



The IAF is made of people much better than you and me, right now they need us to trust them. Not raise unnecessary doubts on their action every single time. I trust them to take the right action. This is not blind Faith, IAF till date has been honest about plane crashes, pilot losses and everything else. Don't even attempt to compare my trust with any *censored* and their military establishment.

You seriously have some impulsive issues that you jump to typing without even reading a thing or understanding what is being said. Stop making up your mind and posting and putting others words out of context, read and if doubtful read again you will get the proper context and will spare us with these long posts of non issues.
 
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No I didnt and nor did I demanded any proof for myself, I was angry that India is letting the narrative slip. If IAF didnt conducted the briefing yesterday do you think HT would have asked and got quote from DoD officials?

Prime Minister of Pakistan tried to take advantage of that same story after Pakistani military why do you think it made no impact today? Why do you think Defence Journolists are defending and tweeting for India and was silent or non commital yesterday? Did IAF paid them? No, because they were taken into confidence and were used as a tool, the exact way they are designed to be used..

Both you and I know on what context you used that word "excuse". People are too much focused on narrative. I have said b4, we don't need to prove anything to anyone. Operations are on going. When it all ends. None of this propaganda is going to matter. The one doing the propaganda will be the one which will look like a fool.

Rest of your post is a personal comment and hence irrelevant.....
 
Both you and I know on what context you used that word "excuse". People are too much focused on narrative. I have said b4, we don't need to prove anything to anyone. Operations are on going. When it all ends. None of this propaganda is going to matter. The one doing the propaganda will be the one which will look like a fool.

Rest of your post is a personal comment and hence irrelevant.....
You know everything about what I said without even reading it, whatever, ignored.
 
That still does not answer my questions. Weather it is past or onging operation. Do you have any reason to believe the Force is hiding failures ?
Can we not wait until the entire fiasco is over before raising questions.



So you can question my Nationalism, with your "So called Nationalists" Jibe, and I cant question his intentions ?



Both ....The one who demanded and pressured and then one who folded.



They are humans, but so are we, they are just the best of the lot of humans selected. I have not found any reason to question them. Hence I don't find it necessary to give them another headache.



Please quote me where I said forum members are "irrelevant". Exact quote please.

I said they don't need our Moral oversight from us. There is an information war going on against the IAF. There are attempts being made to discredit the IAF. Do you really think now is the right time to question them? Can we not at least wait until this is over? Can we not stand by them, at least for a few months ?
Both you and I know on what context you used that word "excuse". People are too much focused on narrative. I have said b4, we don't need to prove anything to anyone. Operations are on going. When it all ends. None of this propaganda is going to matter. The one doing the propaganda will be the one which will look like a fool.

Rest of your post is a personal comment and hence irrelevant.....

Make up your mind. If propaganda is not going to matter and why not question now than later? How are you nationalist (according to apparent jibe) when you said the timing of the questioning is the only problem? Too impulsive to have a discussion.
 
Decoding Babaji's last tweet.
His last tweet starts with hash sign which are the first two letters of hajipir (HAsh). Just the way he tweeted about asat test. His last part of the clue is two equal signs with an arrow pointing to the left. The two equal signs are denoting a Pass. On maps, a pass or bridge is denoted in that manner. That equation is underlined with done written under it. meaning every thing needed to wrest this pass has been put in place.
he than has a dotted line with and arrow pointing towards the right. This indicates the infiltration route and this bulge is the biggest infiltration area for terrorists from Pakistan. Lastly we have a red dot. Indicating bloodshed. Crop is sown means all the formations are in place,
 
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1) General Raymond Thomas, the Commander of the US Special Operations Command, met Army Chief General Bipin Rawat
2) After 1 month and 20 days...On the advice of the doctor , I have decided to sleep for 7 hours today..

Looks like USA telling India to cool off, And India obliging under PRESSURE???

According to what we've read here, cooling down is not in Army Chiefs hand.
I don't think we can connect these two dots.
 
Both you and I know on what context you used that word "excuse". People are too much focused on narrative. I have said b4, we don't need to prove anything to anyone. Operations are on going. When it all ends. None of this propaganda is going to matter. The one doing the propaganda will be the one which will look like a fool.

Rest of your post is a personal comment and hence irrelevant.....

We do need to prove things at times
 
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My gut says we are going to hear about something in next 48 hrs.
If I understand what I think, what you mean, Then really!!! another set of same false promises by a habitual liar, usa must be pretty thick & foolish, if its taken in by same trickery for the (how many decades it is?) That be beyond Naïve
Its more like the mandatory slip & fall on same banana peel everyday going to office & expecting different result
 
@Reichsmarschall @safriz why doesn’t isi or paf do an unofficial confirmation that yes a count did take place. This will settle some arguments. God knows gaffoora spends most of his time talking bs. This might be among the rare useful things he does.
 
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