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As much as I have seen, this entire information war is overrated, overhyped, worthless and stupid to boot. Just ask yourself, who is this information war is targeting? Indians? Only 10% of Indians can read/write and speak English. Foreigners? They don't give a damn.

So who are these mythical people against whom Pakistan is fighting this war?

I was going through the reddit thread on India-Pak war. Majority of the comments are like .

"These two countries at it again :cautious:"
 
As much as I have seen, this entire information war is overrated, overhyped, worthless and stupid to boot. Just ask yourself, who is this information war is targeting? Indians? Only 10% of Indians can read/write and speak English. Foreigners? They don't give a damn.

So who are these mythical people against whom Pakistan is fighting this war?
It's for raising awareness among our populace and the international community for when the day of final reckoning comes, we must be able to throw tomes & tomes at the Pakistanis along with the kitchen sink.

You ought to read up on the diplomatic assault launched by IG and her advisors in tandem with the MEA in Western capitals, media, the UN , among friends and foes within the intelligentsia, the Academia, the media, etc while FM Manekshaw was busy preparing for the military assault on East Pakistan to know the salience of winning the information war.

She bested the likes of Kissinger / Nixon in the diplomatic game. No mean feat considering the legacy the duo left behind as far as Foreign policy & diplomacy goes.

That the very same China they engaged, brought out of isolation and propped up to down the former USSR has now come to bite them in their backsides is something none of them would admit and is a story for another day.
 
Guys if you are waiting for Pakistan to get it notarized that we shot down their F-16 it will not happen. Can we just dump this already?

Enough proofs have been given. ACM Dhanoa has quoted Bob Dylan, IAF has released radar screenshots. Why are we still busting our heads on it.

you never know. I believe if we ask gaffoora politely it will work.
 
He is a big fool, muted that clown weeks ago. There were two aircrafts that went down that morning, two different videos with completely different characteristics are available with one of them showing two ejection. That was uploaded within few minutes by normal people, corroborate it with every possible statment of India or facts or videos from Pakistan and nowhere it shows even a slightest of doubt, I have tried real hard to find a single doubtful thing in those videos but there isn't any. This is corroborated further by AWACS data and ISPR own blunders and even people on ground.

Let that fool live in his own world.



This is the video of Mig21 sir I suppose and another F16 turning after getting a shot.
Exactly. This is the video of the actual engagement and it very clearly matches with the data released by IAF today. You can see very clearly that Abhi took a shot at the F-16 and when he tried to get back to Indian territory, he got hit. This also matches perfectly with the impact point on ground of the two fighters as depicted by IAF.
@BlackOpsIndia this was the video I was talking about.
 
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The same all knowing Chiefs of Staff and their political masters have yet to make public the Henderson Brooks Report of the Sino Indian War of 1962. The same all knowing grandees have yet to release a report on the IPKF operations in Sri Lanka. The same people have yet to answer for how in spite of repeated intelligence reports and assessments that Pakistan was planning to take over the peaks in Kargil & Drass sector, why did we pull out our troops during the winter especially when we had the example of Siachen a decade ago where we pre empted the Pakistanis from occupying that glacier.
By the way didn't we lose the 1962 war because of bad logistics? I remember reading somewhere that the IAF couldn't keep up.
 
North Korea is an international Pariah, North does not send terrorists and suicide bombers to South Korea. North Korea was not backed by the United states despite them supporting terrorism. Huge difference there. There is no parallel, what so ever. I would much prefer North Korea as a neighbour other than Pakistan.

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Go to the Cold War section in the attached article.

I really can't tell what's more appalling. Your smugness or your lack of information about the subject you're commenting on or your Smugness over your lack of information.

Frankly if I realized earlier whom was I engaging, I wouldn't make the effort. No matter. One lives & learns



I have said this earlier, once you win a decisive war, perception becomes irrelevant. Yes, temporarily you might be able to convince otherwise. But once the war is lost, there is no way to spin this as won war. 65, 71 , 99. Pakistanis still believe they won those wars. What does the world believe ? Even in 1971 they tried to pull the same stunt with their Mirages to claim they did not loose any. None of it helped. Pakistanis tried their best to spin themselves as being the victim of terror. IT did not help then as well.

Narrative is only useful when you are trying to handle much more complex issues, like Kashmir, Indus water treaty, Pakistan based terrorism. To influence the world opinion. 1 year down the line, nobody is going to care who shot down the F-16 or the Mig-21. They will only care on how the war ended and what its result was.



When Copy pasting that sentence, I am hoping you at least took the time to read and understand it.

No. I didn't. I've a fetish for copying blindly and pasting. Do indulge me.
 
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It's for raising awareness among our populace and the international community for when the day of final reckoning comes, we must be able to throw tomes & tomes at the Pakistanis along with the kitchen sink.

You ought to read up on the diplomatic assault launched by IG and her advisors in tandem with the MEA in Western capitals, media, the UN , among friends and foes within the intelligentsia, the Academia, the media, etc while FM Manekshaw was busy preparing for the military assault on East Pakistan to know the salience of winning the information war.

She bested the likes of Kissinger / Nixon in the diplomatic game. No mean feat considering the legacy the duo left behind as far as Foreign policy & diplomacy goes.

That the very same China they engaged, brought out of isolation and propped up to down the former USSR has now come to bite them in their backsides is something none of them would admit and is a story for another day.
Narratives are built. Have you read the de-classified conversation between Kissinger and Nixon? They wanted to build a narrative of loot and killing by Indian Army in B.Desh. They overlooked the extreme genocide by PA.

Its all interests.
By the way didn't we lose the 1962 war because of bad logistics? I remember reading somewhere that the IAF couldn't keep up.
IAF was not even god damned engaged.
Its was short sightedness of Nehru and his acolytes.
 
By the way didn't we lose the 1962 war because of bad logistics? I remember reading somewhere that the IAF couldn't keep up.
Lots of issues including lack of preparation, intelligence, aims & objectives, lack of training, arms and armaments, etc.

It's a subject for a whole thread. If you're really interested, get your hands on The Himalayan Blunder by Brig John Dalvi. It pretty much gives you an overview of everything we did wrong on that campaign.
 
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North Korea–South Korea relations - Wikipedia
Go to the Cold War section in the attached article.
I really can't tell what's more appalling. Your smugness or your lack of information about the subject you're commenting on or your Smugness over your lack of information..

Really? all you could do was link me a Wikipedia article and ask me to read it. If that is the case, why don't you read that Wikipedia article and then read another Wikipedia article on India-Pakistan? ANd few more articles on JeM, LeT and Kashmir. :p
We can keep linking articles, much easier than actually writing a post.

Other than that, Rest of your post is just personal attacks and quiet irrelevant in this thread.
 
Narratives are built. Have you read the de-classified conversation between Kissinger and Nixon? They wanted to build a narrative of loot and killing by Indian Army in B.Desh. They overlooked the extreme genocide by PA.

Its all interests.

True. It's taken us more than 2 decades to get here. From Kargil to 9/11.From the Parliament attack to Osama's being hunted down. From 26/11 to Pulwama. From being dissed by the US & it's allies, to their preferring Pakistan's narrative over India to what we've seen post Pulwama. This wasn't achieved in a day. Back in 1971 too, IG knew how to leverage public opinion by equating the exodus of Bangladeshis to India due to a genocide being wrought there to Nazi Germany's genocide on the Jews. Something which resonated with the Jewish American press barons there. She also deftly exploited the fault lines between the State Department and the Nixon administration. What's all this but information warfare and building up your narrative?
 
Really? all you could do was link me a Wikipedia article and ask me to read it. If that is the case, why don't you read that Wikipedia article and then read another Wikipedia article on India-Pakistan? ANd few more articles on JeM, LeT and Kashmir. :p
We can keep linking articles, much easier than actually writing a post.

Other than that, Rest of your post is just personal attacks and quiet irrelevant in this thread.
You're right as always. You must have the last word. I leave the floor to you.
 
True. It's taken us more than 2 decades to get here. From Kargil to 9/11.From the Parliament attack to Osama's being hunted down. From 26/11 to Pulwama. From being dissed by the US & it's allies, to their preferring Pakistan's narrative over India to what we've seen post Pulwama. This wasn't achieved in a day. Back in 1971 too, IG knew how to leverage public opinion by equating the exodus of Bangladeshis to India due to a genocide being wrought there to Nazi Germany's genocide on the Jews. Something which resonated with the Jewish American press barons there. She also deftly exploited the fault lines between the State Department and the Nixon administration. What's all this but information warfare and building up your narrative?
May I ask if you have worked with few Jewish bosses? If you had, you won't think in this way. IMHO, closest to them are our Parsees. But Jews are very very focused when it comes to business.
 
May I ask if you have worked with few Jewish bosses? If you had, you won't think in this way. IMHO, closest to them are our Parsees. But Jews are very very focused when it comes to business.
In London. Long ago. They may be focused & mercenary in their attitude. Canny & shrewd businessmen too. Doesn't take away from the fact that they're human and have a history, which they brood over.

You must know how to tug at their heart strings. My boss then was a Palanpuri Jain 🙂- the same guys who've nicely & neatly displaced the Jews in the diamond business from many locations the world over. Pretty unusual for a man of his pedigree to be employed, when I think of it.
 
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IAF made a fool of themselves again.
The engagement area they show in the so called radar scam image is above the city of Mirpur AJK.
That place is good 30 km west from LOC. The area is super rich with far more DSLR, Super Zoom cameras per capita than anywhere else in Pakistan.
Yet not a single person recorded Pakistani F-16 or any air combat in the whole city of Mirpur.
All videos which were uploaded by public were from areas east of Bhimber AJK which is about 25-30 km south east of Mirpur. That's where Abhinandan jet crashed.
There is no chance in the world that a Mig-21 intruded 30 km inside Pakistan, shot down a Pakistani F-16 and went back all the way to Bhimber and then got shot.
Never before in their previous statements the IAF even mentioned Mirpur.
Now showing air combat above Mirpur. Funny.

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IAF made a fool of themselves again.
The engagement area they show in the so called radar scam image is above the city of Mirpur AJK.
That place is good 30 km west from LOC. The area is super rich with far more DSLR, Super Zoom cameras per capita than anywhere else in Pakistan.
Yet not a single person recorded Pakistani F-16 or any air combat in the whole city of Mirpur.
All videos which were uploaded by public were from areas east of Bhimber AJK which is about 25-30 km south east of Mirpur. That's where Abhinandan jet crashed.
There is no chance in the world that a Mig-21 intruded 30 km inside Pakistan, shot down a Pakistani F-16 and went back all the way to Bhimber and then got shot.
Never before in their previous statements the IAF even mentioned Mirpur.
Now showing air combat above Mirpur. Funny.

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Now the only thing left for Gafoor Maamu , Reham Khan's ex, Sheikhchilli, Qamar Maamu and the rest to do is come up with similar evidence on why you didn't lose an F-16 that day. Of course this is easier than inviting USAF personnel to take an inventory.

Or you'd definitely invite the USAF, once you have an " accident" involving a F-16 in a few months from now. Preferably when the PKR Touches 200 to an USD. People will have much more important things to worry about then.
 
IAF made a fool of themselves again.
The engagement area they show in the so called radar scam image is above the city of Mirpur AJK.
Phir chilam chada lee?

Area aur point mein anter hota hei maamu. There is an engagement area not one single city.

The area is super rich with far more DSLR, Super Zoom cameras per capita than anywhere else in Pakistan
Maamu, mere paas 5 DSLR hein par mein unko lekar naheen baithtee hoon chat par aeroplane ki photo lene ko. Janaab, aam aadmi ko time naheen hota hei in sab kaamo ke liye.
 
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IAF made a fool of themselves again.
The engagement area they show in the so called radar scam image is above the city of Mirpur AJK.
That place is good 30 km west from LOC. The area is super rich with far more DSLR, Super Zoom cameras per capita than anywhere else in Pakistan.
Yet not a single person recorded Pakistani F-16 or any air combat in the whole city of Mirpur.
All videos which were uploaded by public were from areas east of Bhimber AJK which is about 25-30 km south east of Mirpur. That's where Abhinandan jet crashed.
There is no chance in the world that a Mig-21 intruded 30 km inside Pakistan, shot down a Pakistani F-16 and went back all the way to Bhimber and then got shot.
Never before in their previous statements the IAF even mentioned Mirpur.
Now showing air combat above Mirpur. Funny.

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I did expect a lot of Pakistanis to suddenly be experts in Radar tracking both here and on twitter.
 
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