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We have no way of knowing whether the images that Kapoor presented at the press briefing were taken directly from the radar outputs on AWACS, from a ground radar station or other integrated air defense network node, or were created from data from one or more of those sources specifically for the presentation.

When Varthaman purportedly shot down the F-16, there were supposedly separate reports from Indian Army outposts along the so-called Line of Control (LOC), which separate the areas of Kashmir under Indian and Pakistan control, that troops had seen multiple parachutes falling on the Pakistani side in different, distinct locations. The MiG-21 is a single-seat aircraft, but it also has a drogue chute, which could have deployed inadvertently before it crashed, leading to the sightings of an additional parachute.

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An Indian Air Force MiG-21 Bison.

Pakistan's existing official claims about the shootdowns are already confusing and conflicting. At first, Pakistani authorities said that, in addition to Varthaman, there were as many as two additional Indian pilots on the ground who it was searching for. Subsequent statements from the Pakistani Military's main public affairs office, known as Inter-Services Public Relations, said that a second, unnamed individual was in custody with no mention of a third pilot. There is no evidence to support any variation of these claims.

India now says these reports of additional Indian aviators in Pakistani detention were, in fact, the crew of the Pakistani F-16. The PAF has two-seat F-16Bs, BMs, and Ds, which would account for one plane crashing, but two pilots ejecting.

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A Pakistani F-16BM dropping GBU-10/B laser-guided bombs during a training exercise

“This is corroborated by radio communications intercepts of Pakistan Army formations in the area,” the IAF’s written statement added. These “categorically state the capture of atleast [sic] two pilots, one of them being Wg Cdr Abhinandan and a second one being admitted to CMH [a Pakistani Combined Military Hospital].”

However, the IAF has similarly declined to share the intercepted radio communications themselves or a transcript thereof, making it impossible to independently verify the claims. "Due to security and confidentiality concerns, we are restricting the information being shared in public domain,” IAF Air Vice Marshal Kapoor said during the briefing.

India and Pakistan are in agreement now that Abhinandan Varthaman was the only Indian aviator ever in Pakistani custody following the skirmish. There are also confirmed photographs of the crash site of his MiG-21. It is worth noting that Varthaman landed, got attacked by a mob of Pakistani civilians before authorities arrived and detained him. They provided first aid and questioned the Indian pilot before moving him to a military hospital. It is very possible that there was some confusion and that the "second" individual admitted to the CMH was actually the Indian Wing Commander.

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Part of the wreckage of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman's MiG-21 Bison.

It's also worth pointing out that India has not provided any evidence of the F-16 shootdown beyond the radar track "vanishing." Kapoor only showed two still radar images, as well. Without having more data and context, we have no way of knowing conclusively that the contact disappeared and never reappeared or that it was an F-16, to begin with. Electronic warfare and the limitations of the airborne early warning and control system could have been factors, as well. The mountainous terrain and other ground clutter may have masked the Viper's radar signatures temporarily and the fighter could have dropped into the "doppler notch" of the airborne radar system. There are so many possible explanations that cannot be ruled out without more information and at the very least, full motion video of the tactical picture, not just a few hand-picked screenshots.

There is no indication that Pakistan launched any combat search and rescue effort to recover the crew of the purportedly downed F-16, which one might have expected to see, either. There is an unsubstantiated report that a group of civilians on the ground lynched a Pakistani pilot after his plane got shot down, mistaking him for an Indian aviator, but this is incredibly hard to believe.

Pakistan has also released images of portions of Russian-made R-73 Archer and R-77 Adder missiles it recovered from the MiG-21 crash site as evidence that Varthaman never got off a shot. The remains of one of the close-range R-73s, which numerous reports say was the weapon that brought down the F-16, consists of just elements of the rocket motor and seeker head, raising questions about this claim.

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The remains of two R-73 and two R-77 missiles from the crash site of Wing Commander Varthaman's MiG-21 Bison.

“The infrared seeker right in front is completely destroyed when it detonates. No part is left intact,” an unnamed senior IAF official declared to Asia Times. But the R-73's warhead section is relatively small and is supposed to detonate outward as the missile flies in close proximity to the target, showering it with shrapnel, not exploding straight forward as the weapon physically slams into a plane.

With this in mind, an R-73 missile missing its middle section is what one might expect to see if it had passed near its target and functioned as intended. Of course, the extensive damage may also have been a result of missiles hitting Varthaman’s MiG-21 or the fighter jet then crashing into the ground.

Not surprisingly, Pakistan has denied India's latest claims, while also reiterating their own unsubstantiated claim that Pakistani aircraft shot down a second Indian combat jet during the skirmish. There is no photographic or video evidence, even unconfirmed imagery from bystanders, of any other crash sites on either side of the LOC, beyond that of the MiG-21, in the aftermath of the battle. Pakistan does not claim to be responsible for bringing down an Indian Mi-17V5 transport helicopter, a separate incident that India has officially said was an accident, but which some posit may have been the result of friendly fire.

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Repetitions don’t make truth of a lie. Despite claiming possession of evidence on shooting F16, IAF still short of presenting it. Don’t overlook Pakistan’s silence for not drum beating losses on Indian side. Fact is that PAF shot down two IAF jets, wreckage seen on ground by all.
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The Indian government under Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is facing an election at the end of this month, has been under increasing pressure to prove its claims about both the aerial skirmish on Feb. 27, 2019, and unprecedented air strikesnear the Pakistani town of Balakot the day before, which precipitated the air battle. There has been mounting evidence that also calls into questionIndia’s claims that its jets successfully destroyed their targets in the Feb. 26, 2019 aerial raid.

This latest IAF press briefing also follows the aforementioned report from Foreign Policy on Apr. 4, 2019, citing two unnamed U.S. defense officials, that the United States counted Pakistan’s F-16s and found that none of them were missing. Pakistan’s F-16s, including jets obtained second-hand from Jordan, are under heavy U.S. export controls, which could allow for American inspections of the jets at the U.S. government’s request.

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One of the Pakistani Air Force's Block 52 F-16Ds taxies at PAF Base Shahbaz near Jacobabad, Pakistan.

There are reports that the export agreement also limited the functionality of key systems and the PAF’s ability to service major components independently. There have also been rumors of tracking devices or additional systems that would allow American authorities to remotely disable the aircraft or certain systems, if necessary.

Asia Times subsequently reported that Pakistani officials, also speaking on the condition of anonymity, had also said an American audit had taken place and involved sending all of the Vipers to PAF Base Mushaf in Sargodha, which is home of the PAF’s Central Air Command. After that report came out, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan had taken to Twitter to slam India's claims of having shot down an F-16.

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The truth always prevails and is always the best policy. BJP's attempt to win elections through whipping up war hysteria and false claims of downing a Pak F 16 has backfired with US Defence officials also confirming that no F16 was missing from Pakistan's fleet.
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"BJP's attempt to win elections through whipping up war hysteria and false claims of downing a Pak F 16 has backfired with US Defence officials also confirming that no F16 was missing from Pakistan's fleet," Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan Tweeted out on Apr. 6, 2019, referring to Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) political party. "The truth always prevails and is always the best policy."

But sending all the F-16s to Mushaf would have been a major logistical undertaking. The PAF has around 76 Vipers total, including A/B, AM/BM, and C/D models. Even if they are all technically in service, it is, at best, statistically improbable that all of them are flyable at any one time. Some should have been undergoing major maintenance that would have made it even more difficult to return them to any sort of mission capable state or otherwise move them to the base in Sargodha.

In addition, the U.S. government has, so far, declined to officially confirm or deny that the F-16 count occurred or that it directly substantiated Pakistan’s claims. At the time of writing, the Pentagon had not yet responded to queries on the matter from The War Zone. The U.S. Department of Defense was not “aware of any investigation like that,” a spokesperson reportedly told India’s Hindustan Times on Apr. 6, 2019.

“As a matter of policy, the Department does not publicly comment on details of government-to-government agreements on end-use monitoring of U.S.-origin defense articles,” the U.S. State Department public affairs office wrote in a statement to The War Zone by Email. “It is important to note that since January 2018, the United States government has suspended security assistance to Pakistan.”

The Hindustan Times also received this same exact same statement from the State Department.

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A member of the US Air Force, at left, gives senior Pakistani Air Force officers an overview of the Daniels Kit, a tool kit used to repair complex wiring systems on F-16s, during a visit to Sheppard Air Force Base in Texas in 2006.

The comment about the suspension of military aid to Pakistan is notable. U.S.-Pakistani relations are at a recent low, with U.S. President Donald Trump’s Administration cutting military aid to the country after accusing Pakistan of not doing enough to combat terrorists within its territory who also operate in neighboring Afghanistan. The Trump Administration has also pushed for greater ties with India, which is Pakistan’s chief rival, including military-to-military cooperation.

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The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!
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In addition, there has been significant political opposition to selling F-16s to Pakistan at all from members of Congress over the years for various reasons, chiefly allegations that its state security apparatus is at least complicit in various terrorist activities if it is not supporting them outright. With this in mind, there have been suggestions that Pakistan has a sufficiently large number of political enemies in Washington, D.C. at present who would have leaked details about a lost Pakistani F-16 if the U.S. government was aware of it.

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Some people say the US knows it lost an F-16 but can’t admit it for commercial/pride reasons. Let me just say that Pakistan has many enemies in the US bureaucracy and even more on the Hill, and I think if Pakistan lost an F-16 they would gleefully leak it.
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There is similarly nothing to back up conspiratorial rumors that the U.S. government is looking to conceal a Pakistani F-16 loss, especially to a heavily modernized MiG-21, for fear that it could impact future Viper or other American fighter jet sales abroad. F-16 manufacturer Lockheed Martin is presently trying to sell an advanced F-16 variant to India itself, rebranded the F-21. Such an outlandish conspiracy is preposterous, to begin with.

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An artist's conception of the F-21, an advanced F-16 variant that Lockheed Martin is pitching to the Indian Air Force.

India’s Prime Minister Modi has used the Varthaman shoot down to publicly argue for speeding up purchases of French-made Rafales, a deal that opposition parties in India have accused of being rife with corruption and graft. Separately, Russia’s state media has used the incident to argue that the IAF should buy more Russian jets.

Regardless, the exact details of the aerial engagement that led to the Pakistanis shooting down the MiG-21 remain unclear. The truth is that air combat is a multi-faceted and extremely complex affair where the exact capabilities of two individual planes account for just a fraction of the many factors at play. You can read more about this in The War Zone’s previous deep analysis of the aerial skirmish on Feb. 27, 2019.

Furthermore, it's unclear why India waited more than a month to release this latest information, which still does not conclusively prove that the IAF shot down an F-16 in any tangible way. On Feb. 28, 2019, just a day after the aerial brawl, Indian authorities publicly showed the AIM-120C-5 fragment, which did offer compelling evidence that Pakistani Vipers had, at least, taken part in the operation overall.

India’s latest release of information is interesting, but it remains too circumstantial and limited to put the issue of whether or not the IAF shot down an F-16 to rest for good. The Indian government’s repeated claims, and the counter-claims of an audit of Pakistani Vipers, only seem to raise new questions about exactly what happened in the skies over Kashmir more than a month ago.
Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable"
 
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No offense, Wont we need a million Neutron bombs to do above said??
I studied Neutron Bomb quite extensively - when I went through numerous videos of it supposedly Neutron bomb been used in Yemen. YouTube can provide plenty of videos, if anyone care to search. Which I compared them with known testing videos for similarity. The sparkles in mid segment of mushroom are telling.


A neutron Bomb is a low yield weapon intended to kill primarily not by blast but by a massive pulse of neutron radiation. It was designed to kill tank crews and personnel protected within armored vehicles, while causing minimum destruction to buildings and infrastructure. A Neutron Bomb, is mostly called a Tactical Nuclear Weapon (TNW) in military terms - now who in our neighbor in west claim to have a TNW.

Hope we can catchup, we are behind the curve in terms of TNW

A tactical nuke is not necessarily a neutron bomb.Infact pretty much all existing tac nukes are fission warheads with subkiloton yields.
The neutron bomb is a highly advanced concept ,but no such warhead is in current use by anyone,USA proposed to field it in the 1970s but was eventually abandoned.A neutron bomb is a thermonuclear fusion device not an atomic fission device.Pakistan doesnt have technological capability to build fusion devices.
 
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No offense, Wont we need a million Neutron bombs to do above said??
I studied Neutron Bomb quite extensively - when I went through numerous videos of it supposedly Neutron bomb been used in Yemen. YouTube can provide plenty of videos, if anyone care to search. Which I compared them with known testing videos for similarity. The sparkles in mid segment of mushroom are telling.


A neutron Bomb is a low yield weapon intended to kill primarily not by blast but by a massive pulse of neutron radiation. It was designed to kill tank crews and personnel protected within armored vehicles, while causing minimum destruction to buildings and infrastructure. A Neutron Bomb, is mostly called a Tactical Nuclear Weapon (TNW) in military terms - now who in our neighbor in west claim to have a TNW.

Hope we can catchup, we are behind the curve in terms of TNW
Not quite...

Maximum deaths in Neutron bombs happen by exposure of lethal amount of ionizing radiations (Gamma radiation mostly) and neutrons causing neutron activation. Basically it makes armour of the tank radioactive. That said... even before that death for about a week the person still lives. Its called living ghost stage. They are sure to die but will still live for few days. This makes neutron bomb worthless as a tactical weapon. It can't be used to stop an advancing tank column for example.
 
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A tactical nuke is not necessarily a neutron bomb.Infact pretty much all existing tac nukes are fission warheads with subkiloton yields.
The neutron bomb is a highly advanced concept ,but no such warhead is in current use by anyone,USA proposed to field it in the 1970s but was eventually abandoned.A neutron bomb is a thermonuclear fusion device not an atomic fission device.Pakistan doesnt have technological capability to build fusion devices.
Just FYI - A Neutron Bomb can be classified as a TNW
Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia
"Some tactical nuclear weapons have specific features meant to enhance their battlefield characteristics, such as variable yield which allow their explosive power to be varied over a wide range for different situations, or enhanced radiation weapons (the so-called "neutron bombs") which are meant to maximize ionizing radiation exposure while minimizing blast effects. "
 
Just FYI - A Neutron Bomb can be classified as a TNW
Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia
"Some tactical nuclear weapons have specific features meant to enhance their battlefield characteristics, such as variable yield which allow their explosive power to be varied over a wide range for different situations, or enhanced radiation weapons (the so-called "neutron bombs") which are meant to maximize ionizing radiation exposure while minimizing blast effects. "

As i posted 'Not necessarily'. Means a tac nuke doesnt mean a neutron bomb,but a neutron bomb is a tac nuke.
 
Not quite...

Maximum deaths in Neutron bombs happen by exposure of lethal amount of ionizing radiations (Gamma radiation mostly) and neutrons causing neutron activation. Basically it makes armour of the tank radioactive. That said... even before that death for about a week the person still lives. Its called living ghost stage. They are sure to die but will still live for few days. This makes neutron bomb worthless as a tactical weapon. It can't be used to stop an advancing tank column for example.
Yes Indeed...
Neutron bomb - Wikipedia
"At the conventional effective combat range against modern main battle tanks and armored personnel carriers (< 690–900 m), the blast from a 1 kt neutron bomb would destroy or damage to the point of nonusability almost all un-reinforced civilian buildings. " " incapacitating crews with a dose of 8000+ rads of radiation"
Unless tanks are for NBC role, hence protected
 
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Yep, PAF can simply walk through in and out of our airspace, dropping bombs is just the salute they gave to us.
Did they? Think again and apply your mind. One aircraft intruded 3-5lms and other two about 3kms and one of them shot down. Do you still maintain what you posted.
 
Did they? Think again and apply your mind. One aircraft intruded 3-5lms and other two about 3kms and one of them shot down. Do you still maintain what you posted.

Yes, I still maintain.

They intruded with an offense of targeting military installation, dropped bomb on Indian soil, performed an act of war.

They got a confirmed kill, we are still trying to convince the world of a dubious claim.

Somehow its India who end up being questioned of their claim.
 
Yes, I still maintain.

They intruded with an offense of targeting military installation, dropped bomb on Indian soil, performed an act of war.

They got a confirmed kill, we are still trying to convince the world of a dubious claim.

Somehow its India who end up being questioned of their claim.
God has given you eyes and brain. You have seen videos here of two aircraft being downed and three parachutes drifting down. Forget about what India is saying or what Pakistan is saying. use your brain and tell us what do you make out of these evidences.
 
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Yes, I still maintain.

They intruded with an offense of targeting military installation, dropped bomb on Indian soil, performed an act of war.

They got a confirmed kill, we are still trying to convince the world of a dubious claim.

Somehow its India who end up being questioned of their claim.

We shouldn't give two hoots about what the world thinks of the attack. On the ground, Bajwa knows exactly what happened, so that's more than enough. Whether a Bob from the US or an Abdul from Pakistan believes it or not is irrelevant.

As far as Bajwa is concerned, he lost 300+ proxy soldiers, their best jet and pilots and a hell lot of troops.
 
God has given you eyes and brain.

Perhaps thats why I do not trust anybody without conclusive evidence. Least by claims made by baba and online experts.

You have seen videos here of two aircraft being downed and three parachutes drifting down. Forget about what India is saying or what Pakistan is saying. use your brain and tell us what do you make out of these evidences.

Not the kind of outcome expected out of an armed force having 10 times defence budget of Pakistan.

Just hear those sorry souls cribbing about not having Rafales and undermining the existing assets in hand.

You must thank Abhinandon who did not followed the RoE set by our bravest of all, else you would be hanging your head in shame as well. That poor chap, despite riding a vintage craft atleast gave something to you to cheer about, no matter what exact truth is.
 
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We shouldn't give two hoots about what the world thinks of the attack. On the ground, Bajwa knows exactly what happened, so that's more than enough. Whether a Bob from the US or an Abdul from Pakistan believes it or not is irrelevant.

As far as Bajwa is concerned, he lost 300+ proxy soldiers, their best jet and pilots and a hell lot of troops.

Yep, why should we worried of people who don't have any incentive to blindly trust what is being fed to them by Indian gov and its forces, bloody neutrals. Faith, surely is powerful.
 
Just hear those sorry souls cribbing about not having Rafales and undermining the existing assets in hand.

That's a clever exploitation of situation to push for Rafale by scoring few points, though very avoidable as they already have much more capable platform compared to enemy.

It definitely looks like whining and should be left for politicians instead of armed forces. The only thing that suits security forces is "we are ready", doesn't matter how under equipped, something standard across the world. If Su30 is not enough to fight Pakistan, nothing ever will be.
 
That's a clever exploitation of situation to push for Rafale by scoring few points, though very avoidable as they already have much more capable platform compared to enemy.

It definitely looks like whining and should be left for politicians instead of armed forces. The only thing that suits security forces is "we are ready", doesn't matter how under equipped, something standard across the world. If Su30 is not enough to fight Pakistan, nothing ever will be.

I agree to overall gist of your post with a slight diversion of it being more shameful than being clever. Did IAF statements inducting any confidence in current state of readiness in a common men? Leave alone becoming a laughing stock.

Is it a ploy to coerce supreme court in Rafale case?
 
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The Pakistani people who are Gloating are
Only the PDF fanboys

The Real damage done is known to Pak Army

More than Balakot it is the Undeclared Attacks , that have hurt the Pak Army

Now people will say that Undeclared attacks and Assaults Count for nothing

But if you look carefully , Pakistan has Shown No Inclination for a Fight
In the present stand off

In Comparision to the present stand off
The Skirmishes fron 1999 Kargil to 2002 were more intense

We also lost many soldiers in that period

This time Pak Army just Chickened out

So what this means that they
Were Stunned and have preferred
to Absorb the Undeclared blows from India
 
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If IAF is using the Feb 26 and 27 events to Push for Quicker Modernisation
So be it

Why let go off a Good opportunity to
Acquire More assets and The Best Technology

In India Things happen only after a Crisis

Simple Things like Bullet proof jackets
Sniper Rifles and Even Perimeter Security
Of Bases were looked at seriously after
Casualties
 
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@Arvind

The Pakistani people who are Gloating are
Only the PDF fanboys

The Real damage done is known to Pak Army

More than Balakot it is the Undeclared Attacks , that have hurt the Pak Army

Now people will say that Undeclared attacks and Assaults Count for nothing

But if you look carefully , Pakistan has Shown No Inclination for a Fight
In the present stand off

In Comparision to the present stand off
The Skirmishes fron 1999 Kargil to 2002 were more intense

We also lost many soldiers in that period

This time Pak Army just Chickened out

So what this means that they
Were Stunned and have preferred
to Absorb the Undeclared blows from India

And the reason for your such conviction is?

To be honest, the kind of loud and lose mouths we have in politics and recently discovered in armed forces, its tough to digest that they can keep any kind of success, irrespective of magnitude, as classified.
 
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If IAF is using the Feb 26 and 27 events to Push for Quicker Modernisation
So be it

Why let go off a Good opportunity to
Acquire More assets and The Best Technology

In India Things happen only after a Crisis

Simple Things like Bullet proof jackets
Sniper Rifles and Even Perimeter Security
Of Bases were looked at seriously after
Casualties

How exactly they can use Feb 26 and 27?

The one who sign the cheques know each and every detail of the operation. If it was such a success, why they will be pushed for releasing more funds? Shouldn't they be pretty happy with current state of affairs? Or in reality it was a well hidden debacle?

I am not concern about the new opportunity they are seeking, I am questioning the opportunity they lost even after being provided with 10X budget of enemy. Who is accountable here?

I don't call them as NPA (non performing assets) for no reason. @Milspec
 
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According to unnamed sources, Palam Air Base recently had visitors from a team of engineers and airforce officials representing Israeli Military and Israel Aerospace Industries and ELTA, where India’s three airborne early warning and control systems (Awacs) Phalcon Air-borne Radar system mounted on IL-76 aircraft are based.

It is not yet clear if the Secret Israeli Unit were invited by India for some regular maintenance of the Phalcon radar and sensor system which are mounted on the aircraft but it seems that it was most probably to do with F-16 which was shot down over POK to further strengthen the Electronic evidence of the kill which a certain section of western media having been questioning downing of Pakistani F-16 by Indian Mig-21Bis and it might have something to do with External Audit of the Radar Data which could be first of its kind.

Phalcon AWACS fleet has been part of IAF for over last ten years and has performed exceptionally well over the years and was already airborne when 24 Pakistani Air Force jets were part of attack formation which resulted to an aerial dog fight over Pakistani side of the line of control where Mig-21Bis flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shot down an F-16 and while trying to return back he was shot down by another F-16, which was part of 4 aircraft formation which was deployed to protect its Strike aircraft Mirage-III and JF-17s .

Last Month, IAF has given out first AWACS pictures of F-16 kill and the position of the Mig-21Bis and other F-16s in the formation after Washighton based Defense Magazine reported that all PAF F-16 was found accounted for, by Audit conducted by Pentagon which was later denied by Pentagon itself. The backing of the Israeli team of officials who designed and build the Phalcon Air-borne Radar system will only further India’s F-16 kill and will act as circumstantial evidence.

Secret Israeli Unit Verified F-16 Kill by India ?? – Indian Defence Research Wing
 
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