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If he had broken his pursuit he would have potentially evaded as well. If the wreckage was on our side the entire narrative would have been different

The F 16 -Abhinandan story is the only Bright spot for us

Even the Su 30 pilots who evaded the Amraams did a great job , they also deserve
Awards

The Real issue is that IAF is NOW Accepting That it needs Better Air to Air Missiles

And till that happens , Pakistanis will keep dancing
 
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The F 16 -Abhinandan story is the only Bright spot for us

Even the Su 30 pilots who evaded the Amraams did a great job , they also deserve
Awards

The Real issue is that IAF is NOW Accepting That it needs Better Air to Air Missiles

And till that happens , Pakistanis will keep dancing

The real issue that will India go back to sleep or this time it will crush Pakistan?
 
What most of you have completely overlooked is that even the number two of Abhi evaded the AMRAAM. So it is not easy to shoot down a Bison.
Agree, since Abhi was inside the POK .i feel IAF always follows a mixture of Indian and Russian tactics where as PAF follows mixture of Americans and their own tactics.so IAF always believe in close combat aerial fight not on BVR-AAM engagement.
 
They always knew the Maximum Range of
R 77 and Amraam C5

If the Pakistani plan was to use the C5's additional range to only drive away the MKIs, then the R-77 would be useless in such a scenario. Especially if the MKIs were constrained from firing at targets across the border.

If the Pakistani plan was to kill MKIs where the employment ranges would be optimal for both missiles, then the R-77 would be more effective in such a scenario since the R-77 is faster than the C5.

There's also the possibility that the MKIs went cold in order to draw the Pakistanis in and have the Mig21s pounce on them, which is what happened. Whether this was deliberate or accident, I do not know.
 
What most of you have completely overlooked is that even the number two of Abhi evaded the AMRAAM. So it is not easy to shoot down a Bison.

This is the most important point. And I'm sure the Mig-21s were very, very close to the F-16s when this happened. Even closer than the MKIs were.

One wonders what could have happened had the wingman also crossed the border with the WC.
 
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This is the most important point. And I'm sure the Mig-21s were very, very close to the F-16s when this happened. Even closer than the MKIs were.

One wonders what could have happened had the wingman also crossed the border with the WC.

I think he too was targeted by ARMRAAM and evaded those. check the quote on 51 sqrn - it is 'Falcon Slayers' & 'ARMRAAm Dodgers'
 
I think he too was targeted by ARMRAAM and evaded those. check the quote on 51 sqrn - it is 'Falcon Slayers' & 'ARMRAAm Dodgers'

Yep. As the story goes, both Abhinandan and his wingman were fired upon, and both dodged the shots. This is a pretty significant achievement made even better with the F-16 kill.

We have no idea how many AMRAAMs all the IAF pilots involved must have dodged in total throughout the engagement.
 
This is the most important point. And I'm sure the Mig-21s were very, very close to the F-16s when this happened. Even closer than the MKIs were.

One wonders what could have happened had the wingman also crossed the border with the WC.

Abhinandan defied the Order to turn Cold

His Wingman who was behind him could not take a shot
Because it could have hit Abhinandan

According to the Radar images released

Abhinandan came Face to Face with 3 F 16
But very bravely pressed on with his attack

He was clear in his mind that , no matter what he had to shoot one of them at least
 
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Agree, since Abhi was inside the POK .i feel IAF always follows a mixture of Indian and Russian tactics where as PAF follows mixture of Americans and their own tactics.so IAF always believe in close combat aerial fight not on BVR-AAM engagement.
It is very clear from the videos that we have seen that ABHI was following thru on his shot and went behind the falling wreckage of F-16 in pursuit of the second F-16 when he was shot down. he had taken a 2 o'clock shot from front on the F-16 and there was no reason for him to continue his attack as the missile was fired in LOBL mode as per what he transmitted. You need to follow thru only if you do a LOAL firing in which case you have to guide the missile to the target using HMSS. he probably did that to ensure that incase counter measures are used by F-16, he is still able to gyide his shot. But most IR flares are ejected behind the aircraft and he had taken a shot from front. There was no way that his seeker would have been fooled by the IR flares if used by F-16.
If you see that video again in which he is seen turning behind falling F-16, it is very clear that he would have easily evaded the AMRAAM and also stayed within his own territory. At that point of time his no-2 is not with him. While he was with him when he fired at F-16.
 
The Biggest beneficary of this Stand off would be Tejas MK1

We need to Arm each of them with Four Derbys ER and Two Drop Tanks each for
CAP missions
 
This is the most important point. And I'm sure the Mig-21s were very, very close to the F-16s when this happened. Even closer than the MKIs were.

One wonders what could have happened had the wingman also crossed the border with the WC.
Mig-21s were specifically vectored for interception. So they were the closest to the intruding F-16s. And they were positioned in such a manner as to intercept directly from their direction of approach.
 
Kargil Exposed the Weaknesses of the Army

2002 Stand off Exposed the Sundarji doctrine to be Unviable , hence we have
Cold Start

26/ 11 showed that our Coastal defences are Non Existent

2016 Surgical strikes helped in Modernisation of Special Forces

Pak Snipers Helped in Replacing Dragunov

And Finally Balakot helped IAF in a Huge way

Chinese Intrusions helped in Speeding up our Road Development in border areas

Doklam helped in the formation of Mountain
Strike Corps

Our Enemies are Actually our " Friends "
 
Kargil Exposed the Weaknesses of the Army

2002 Stand off Exposed the Sundarji doctrine to be Unviable , hence we have
Cold Start

26/ 11 showed that our Coastal defences are Non Existent

2016 Surgical strikes helped in Modernisation of Special Forces

Pak Snipers Helped in Replacing Dragunov

And Finally Balakot helped IAF in a Huge way

Chinese Intrusions helped in Speeding up our Road Development in border areas

Doklam helped in the formation of Mountain
Strike Corps

Our Enemies are Actually our " Friends "
....And our leadership is still in reaction more while we heap abuses on Nehru.
 
Kargil Exposed the Weaknesses of the Army

2002 Stand off Exposed the Sundarji doctrine to be Unviable , hence we have
Cold Start

26/ 11 showed that our Coastal defences are Non Existent

2016 Surgical strikes helped in Modernisation of Special Forces

Pak Snipers Helped in Replacing Dragunov

And Finally Balakot helped IAF in a Huge way

Chinese Intrusions helped in Speeding up our Road Development in border areas

Doklam helped in the formation of Mountain
Strike Corps

Our Enemies are Actually our " Friends "
It would be better if we learn from others mistakes rather than from our own costly mistakes.
 
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