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Why did the statement about airspace restrictions being removed come from IAF.. Should have come from DGCA... Is it a taunt to PAF :)
 
Do you seriously think IAF will go inside Pakistan, attack their top most commandos and Pakistan will be completely silent, everyone completely silent except baba and the very next day IAF remove every airspace restriction?

Connect the dots man, it's in front of you. Pakistan is not like India, they get rattled very easily and it's very visible in their action. If something like that would have happened even to terrorists we will be on highest alert, Pakistan will be landing fighter jets on highways. They don't shy away from revenge, not even from US in Afghanistan, it's us that over think everything and later decide it's not worth it.
@BlackOpsIndia something did happened in Tarbela. This is confirmed by my source too but he's not divulging exactly what happened. He's tight lipped not even a hint of whether IAF did it or some ground based asset, what was targeted nothing but he did confirmed that something did happened and that too when I informed about babaji's tweets. Totally blank he never hides anything from me....🙁
 
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Maybe I am getting a little too imaginative here... But a day after the strike CAOS bajwa announces death sentences to alleged CIA assets.. and state department spokesman yesterday was unusually nasty about India.. reminding India of inclusiveness, saying GSP status being withdrawn is a done deal.. and severely warning us over S-400
 
They are lying, maybe for better access or some other scoop in future or in interest of nation (like I didn't said anything till now), nothing like holes or anything I saw in any image.

The same journalists lied about some details of events on 27th too and were inconsistent even about these images when people asked more details.

The reason was given they don't want to give away resolution of satellite of friendly nation, very absurd reason to be frank. Another reason was some MoU prevent them from making it public, another lie, if a friendly nation trust you and share the image privately they will get angry or deny permission to share it publicly because they signed MoU? Really! Third party images were pretty consistent about nothing hitting that compound.

More reasons and expectations were they will release before some phase in election, they didn't, cuz there was nothing to show.

You have to feel for the government in this case. For once its not the government at fault. GOI gave a clear mandate to the IAF to conduct an effective, simple air strike. Strikes that are carried out on a near daily basis by US/NATO/RusAF/IsAF. It was a straightforward mission, plain and simple. It was upto the IAF to plan and execute the will of the nation to its ultimate end.

A thorough lack of planning and a cavalier attitude demonstrated by the inadequacy of munitions carried. They knew the weather and the cloud cover over target beforehand. Yet their entire strategy for capturing video relied on Crystal Maze, whose deployability itself was suspect given the known weather limitations. It doesn't take rocket science to understand that a secondary munition must have been kept on standby, if not replace Crystal Maze. And if that was not an option, they could have just delayed the strike till the conditions were more appropriate.

Then they underestimated and underappreciated PAFs retaliation. The IAF planned based on what they believed the enemy would do, not on what the enemy could do. Its a cardinal mistake, has been ever since the dawn of war itself. They went on the defensive, ceeded the initiative to the enemy and waited ,like one of those WWE matches, where the wrestler hits then waits to be hit back, a mockery of sound situational awareness. Then through sheer incompetence of higher command authority, the IAF units were left to fend for themselves in a 3 vs 1 situation, which was inexplicably allowed to persist for 30 odd minutes. It took tactical initiative of a smart GCI and near suicidal bravery of individual fighter pilots to try and avoid further embarrasment in a desperate situation. An IA Brigade HQ was attacked and troops survived not because of prompt air defence action by the IAF, which is one of its core mandates, but by sheer luck. And finally to add insult to injury, after holding an airwing of 250+ MKIs the air chief goes on air lamenting that the situation would have been different had IAF been equiped with Rafales. If an airforce with 250+ bloody Su 30s can't dominate a weak AF, 36 or 300 Rafales wont matter.

The IAF senior command did everything it could to turn this into an embarrasment for the GOI which finally after 50 years found the will to order punitive strikes. It was absolutely necessary that the strikes and the aftermath be executed to perfection to offer confidence to the political and administration for future coercive action. Any future government an bureacracy will think twice before reposing faith in IAF. Try and ask The junior bureaucrats who will in 10-15 years take over key administration positions, the young politicians who will in 20 odd years rule this nation, if they will put their careers and political capital on the line if this is their opinion of IAFs capability.

It is perhaps necessary to establish a domestic competitor to the IAF, a la VVS and Soviet Air Defense forces of the USSR but designed for offensive operations. The current situation of an Air Chief who pines for a miracle Rafale to deliver him victory against 3rd world Air force cannot be allowed to continue.
 
You have to feel for the government in this case. For once its not the government at fault. GOI gave a clear mandate to the IAF to conduct an effective, simple air strike. Strikes that are carried out on a near daily basis by US/NATO/RusAF/IsAF. It was a straightforward mission, plain and simple. It was upto the IAF to plan and execute the will of the nation to its ultimate end.

A thorough lack of planning and a cavalier attitude demonstrated by the inadequacy of munitions carried. They knew the weather and the cloud cover over target beforehand. Yet their entire strategy for capturing video relied on Crystal Maze, whose deployability itself was suspect given the known weather limitations. It doesn't take rocket science to understand that a secondary munition must have been kept on standby, if not replace Crystal Maze. And if that was not an option, they could have just delayed the strike till the conditions were more appropriate.

Then they underestimated and underappreciated PAFs retaliation. The IAF planned based on what they believed the enemy would do, not on what the enemy could do. Its a cardinal mistake, has been ever since the dawn of war itself. They went on the defensive, ceeded the initiative to the enemy and waited ,like one of those WWE matches, where the wrestler hits then waits to be hit back, a mockery of sound situational awareness. Then through sheer incompetence of higher command authority, the IAF units were left to fend for themselves in a 3 vs 1 situation, which was inexplicably allowed to persist for 30 odd minutes. It took tactical initiative of a smart GCI and near suicidal bravery of individual fighter pilots to try and avoid further embarrasment in a desperate situation. An IA Brigade HQ was attacked and troops survived not because of prompt air defence action by the IAF, which is one of its core mandates, but by sheer luck. And finally to add insult to injury, after holding an airwing of 250+ MKIs the air chief goes on air lamenting that the situation would have been different had IAF been equiped with Rafales. If an airforce with 250+ bloody Su 30s can't dominate a weak AF, 36 or 300 Rafales wont matter.

The IAF senior command did everything it could to turn this into an embarrasment for the GOI which finally after 50 years found the will to order punitive strikes. It was absolutely necessary that the strikes and the aftermath be executed to perfection to offer confidence to the political and administration for future coercive action. Any future government an bureacracy will think twice before reposing faith in IAF. Try and ask The junior bureaucrats who will in 10-15 years take over key administration positions, the young politicians who will in 20 odd years rule this nation, if they will put their careers and political capital on the line if this is their opinion of IAFs capability.

It is perhaps necessary to establish a domestic competitor to the IAF, a la VVS and Soviet Air Defense forces of the USSR but designed for offensive operations. The current situation of an Air Chief who pines for a miracle Rafale to deliver him victory against 3rd world Air force cannot be allowed to continue.
You wrote exactly word to word what I feel.

Dhanoa sir is busy erecting Rafale replica outside his house to taunt Congress as Congress HQ is next to his house because last time I heard IAF was merged in BJP. Maybe he will be awarded with Governorship or Ambassadorship of some country for this act of bravery.

That's what I said months back any PM will think twice to delegate strike responsibility to IAF next time.
 
You have to feel for the government in this case. For once its not the government at fault. GOI gave a clear mandate to the IAF to conduct an effective, simple air strike. Strikes that are carried out on a near daily basis by US/NATO/RusAF/IsAF. It was a straightforward mission, plain and simple. It was upto the IAF to plan and execute the will of the nation to its ultimate end.

A thorough lack of planning and a cavalier attitude demonstrated by the inadequacy of munitions carried. They knew the weather and the cloud cover over target beforehand. Yet their entire strategy for capturing video relied on Crystal Maze, whose deployability itself was suspect given the known weather limitations. It doesn't take rocket science to understand that a secondary munition must have been kept on standby, if not replace Crystal Maze. And if that was not an option, they could have just delayed the strike till the conditions were more appropriate.

Then they underestimated and underappreciated PAFs retaliation. The IAF planned based on what they believed the enemy would do, not on what the enemy could do. Its a cardinal mistake, has been ever since the dawn of war itself. They went on the defensive, ceeded the initiative to the enemy and waited ,like one of those WWE matches, where the wrestler hits then waits to be hit back, a mockery of sound situational awareness. Then through sheer incompetence of higher command authority, the IAF units were left to fend for themselves in a 3 vs 1 situation, which was inexplicably allowed to persist for 30 odd minutes. It took tactical initiative of a smart GCI and near suicidal bravery of individual fighter pilots to try and avoid further embarrasment in a desperate situation. An IA Brigade HQ was attacked and troops survived not because of prompt air defence action by the IAF, which is one of its core mandates, but by sheer luck. And finally to add insult to injury, after holding an airwing of 250+ MKIs the air chief goes on air lamenting that the situation would have been different had IAF been equiped with Rafales. If an airforce with 250+ bloody Su 30s can't dominate a weak AF, 36 or 300 Rafales wont matter.

The IAF senior command did everything it could to turn this into an embarrasment for the GOI which finally after 50 years found the will to order punitive strikes. It was absolutely necessary that the strikes and the aftermath be executed to perfection to offer confidence to the political and administration for future coercive action. Any future government an bureacracy will think twice before reposing faith in IAF. Try and ask The junior bureaucrats who will in 10-15 years take over key administration positions, the young politicians who will in 20 odd years rule this nation, if they will put their careers and political capital on the line if this is their opinion of IAFs capability.

It is perhaps necessary to establish a domestic competitor to the IAF, a la VVS and Soviet Air Defense forces of the USSR but designed for offensive operations. The current situation of an Air Chief who pines for a miracle Rafale to deliver him victory against 3rd world Air force cannot be allowed to continue.
You need to consider the circumstances here.. First, a one off air campaign is more of an equaliser, than a prolonged campaign between IAF and PAF. In such a campaign were there is no declaration of war, and hence no threat of sustained war.. PAF can bring to bear a significant portion of its air assets on one particular sector, so the defender is at a disadvantage..
Also remember that prior to balakot not many believed that Modi would order an airstrike.. so if IAF and Army moved all their air defence assets close to loc and IB, the cat would have been out of the bag, and the terrorists would have been dispersed.. There would be no surprise... It was really a Catch-22 situation...
Between the IAF chief saying what he said about Rafale... was lame
 
I can't. But it was an air operation based on very accurate satellite imagery and the results were as per the strike. PAF had stationed their F-16s to satellite airfields just the way we do. The F-16 sqn targeted was the one which tried to strike us. We could have easily struck other F-16 formations of Pakistan. But we chose this sqn to send a message.

I will get the Sat image in few days, I doubt what you are claiming sir was done. Your source may have lied to you or he was lied to or making stories.
You are grossly wrong. They took us for easy meat under UPA, but now they know that retaliation will be there and so will be retribution.

Maybe I am getting a little too imaginative here... But a day after the strike CAOS bajwa announces death sentences to alleged CIA assets.. and state department spokesman yesterday was unusually nasty about India.. reminding India of inclusiveness, saying GSP status being withdrawn is a done deal.. and severely warning us over S-400
Yup too imaginative ;)
 
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You have to feel for the government in this case. For once its not the government at fault. GOI gave a clear mandate to the IAF to conduct an effective, simple air strike. Strikes that are carried out on a near daily basis by US/NATO/RusAF/IsAF. It was a straightforward mission, plain and simple. It was upto the IAF to plan and execute the will of the nation to its ultimate end.

A thorough lack of planning and a cavalier attitude demonstrated by the inadequacy of munitions carried. They knew the weather and the cloud cover over target beforehand. Yet their entire strategy for capturing video relied on Crystal Maze, whose deployability itself was suspect given the known weather limitations. It doesn't take rocket science to understand that a secondary munition must have been kept on standby, if not replace Crystal Maze. And if that was not an option, they could have just delayed the strike till the conditions were more appropriate.

Then they underestimated and underappreciated PAFs retaliation. The IAF planned based on what they believed the enemy would do, not on what the enemy could do. Its a cardinal mistake, has been ever since the dawn of war itself. They went on the defensive, ceeded the initiative to the enemy and waited ,like one of those WWE matches, where the wrestler hits then waits to be hit back, a mockery of sound situational awareness. Then through sheer incompetence of higher command authority, the IAF units were left to fend for themselves in a 3 vs 1 situation, which was inexplicably allowed to persist for 30 odd minutes. It took tactical initiative of a smart GCI and near suicidal bravery of individual fighter pilots to try and avoid further embarrasment in a desperate situation. An IA Brigade HQ was attacked and troops survived not because of prompt air defence action by the IAF, which is one of its core mandates, but by sheer luck. And finally to add insult to injury, after holding an airwing of 250+ MKIs the air chief goes on air lamenting that the situation would have been different had IAF been equiped with Rafales. If an airforce with 250+ bloody Su 30s can't dominate a weak AF, 36 or 300 Rafales wont matter.

The IAF senior command did everything it could to turn this into an embarrasment for the GOI which finally after 50 years found the will to order punitive strikes. It was absolutely necessary that the strikes and the aftermath be executed to perfection to offer confidence to the political and administration for future coercive action. Any future government an bureacracy will think twice before reposing faith in IAF. Try and ask The junior bureaucrats who will in 10-15 years take over key administration positions, the young politicians who will in 20 odd years rule this nation, if they will put their careers and political capital on the line if this is their opinion of IAFs capability.

It is perhaps necessary to establish a domestic competitor to the IAF, a la VVS and Soviet Air Defense forces of the USSR but designed for offensive operations. The current situation of an Air Chief who pines for a miracle Rafale to deliver him victory against 3rd world Air force cannot be allowed to continue.

I dunno about the rest, but the Rafale comment was narrative drivem. GoI and IAF need a pro-Rafale public opinion after all.
 
You wrote exactly word to word what I feel.

Dhanoa sir is busy erecting Rafale replica outside his house to taunt Congress as Congress HQ is next to his house because last time I heard IAF was merged in BJP. Maybe he will be awarded with Governorship or Ambassadorship of some country for this act of bravery.

That's what I said months back any PM will think twice to delegate strike responsibility to IAF next time.

You are totally Negative person

Infact we should be happy that this
Stand off happened

We come to know and understand our strengths and weaknesses and also the
Enemy's strengths and weaknesses
During such Real conflicts

No matter how small they are
 
If somebody thinks that Pakistanis are happy
About this stand off , they are Not

They are saying all crappy things on PDF
Because they want to appear strong
Before Indians

But they know this small conflict will Only help India to iron out its chinks and come back even harder at them the next time

And there will be a next time
 
Is that why Su30 hands were tied in engagement to create necessity of Rafale? This could be a possibility too if the point was to create a narrative.

This is the Most Atrocious statement
I have read about this stand off

Not even Ajai Shukla and Lt Gen Panag or Mandeep Bajwa , who are all Congressmen
Have said such a thing

You are attributing Financial Motives to War time Actions
 
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Come on man... That would amount to treason.. Lighten up :)
I am just thinking of possibilities, not saying this was done. When Pathankot attack happened and we were watching the events unfolding live there was something that didn't add up. Nobody inquired, it was brushed under the carpet, it would have also amounted to treason and murder.
 
Is that why Su30 hands were tied in engagement to create necessity of Rafale? This could be a possibility too if the point was to create a narrative.

Not necessarily. There were 12 F-16s and 8 JF-17s and just 2 or 4 MKIs in the beginning. I suppose the MKI pilots were being very careful until reinforcements arrived.

You can't think of politics during an active battle. That goes against everything the pilots had been trained for.

Politics is played behind closed doors and in front of media.

Hell, for all you know, based on personal bias, these MKI pilots could very well have been anti-Rafale and pro-FGFA instead.
 
Is that why Su30 hands were tied in engagement to create necessity of Rafale? This could be a possibility too if the point was to create a narrative.

You have even Exceeded Prashant Bhushan
And Arun Shourie and Yashwant Sinha
In Mud Slinging and Criminal Defamation

It is good for you that you are an Anonymous person
 
You can't think of politics during an active battle. That goes against everything the pilots had been trained for.
Not blaming pilots sir, at all, they were following orders, I can't even think of their anger for not firing while Mig21 has to beyond enemy lines and a helicopter was shot and they lost 6 more comrades.
 
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