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I am just thinking of possibilities, not saying this was done. When Pathankot attack happened and we were watching the events unfolding live there was something that didn't add up. Nobody inquired, it was brushed under the carpet, it would have also amounted to treason and murder.
But Su-30 MKI pilots holding back, for politics, while their colleagues are fighting and probably dying.. is a bit too much...
 
Not necessarily. There were 12 F-16s and 8 JF-17s and just 2 or 4 MKIs in the beginning. I suppose the MKI pilots were being very careful until reinforcements arrived.

You can't think of politics during an active battle. That goes against everything the pilots had been trained for.

Politics is played behind closed doors and in front of media.

Hell, for all you know, based on personal bias, these MKI pilots could very well have been anti-Rafale and pro-FGFA instead.

Only 2 MKIs and 2 Mirage 2000s held the fort , fending away the hordes

Therefore the F 16s at the Lower level
Tried to Ingress but were Jumped upon
By MiG 21s , and then they just tried to bolt away

In case you have noticed ACM Dhanoa
Has been Effusive in his praise for Mig 21
Since that day
 
But Su-30 MKI pilots holding back, for politics, while their colleagues are fighting and probably dying.. is a bit too much...
I never said pilots did, why will pilots create narrative? Narrative is being created by top brass for Rafale (as per argument of randomradio). It was argumentative don't get too worked up about it.
 
Not blaming pilots sir, at all, they were following orders, I can't even think of their anger for not firing while Mig21 has to beyond enemy lines and a helicopter was shot and they lost 6 more comrades.

This was the First Air Battle after 1971

Mistakes had to happen

What ever might have been the results
I am sure ,even the IAF must be happy
That it got a great opportunity to validate
Its Training , Equipment and SOPs

Why does US go to war regularly and why
Did Russia fight the Syrian war

Only to get better
 
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In case you have noticed ACM Dhanoa
Has been Effusive in his praise for Mig 21
Since that day
I have flown fighters and have also known about Mig-21Bis which has more restrictions in flying than earlier variants of Mig-21. We used to wonder as to how can a pilot fly this aircraft which only had limitations in every area of performance. Sea Harrier also had similar restrictions but only when we were below 120kts of speed and used TVC. In normal flying, se4a harrier was just like anyother aircraft that I had flown. But with nozzeles down, it was very difficult machine.
Dhanoa has flown just this aircraft. he knows it inside out better than the russians and anyone on earth,
 
I never said pilots did, why will pilots create narrative? Narrative is being created by top brass for Rafale (as per argument of randomradio). It was argumentative don't get too worked up about it.

Of course we need more Rafales

This Conflict has shown that Future conflicts will be Swift and Short , just one or Two days

Rafale is needed Not only to Breach their defences But Also knock out their Strike packages
 
I never said pilots did, why will pilots create narrative? Narrative is being created by top brass for Rafale (as per argument of randomradio). It was argumentative don't get too worked up about it.
Yes.. Dhanoa's comments about Rafale were disingenuous, when going by the ton of money spent on India specific enhancements, one feels that the Rafale would only be deployed in a full on war, probably on a nuclear bombing mission. IAF would not risk their kohinoors in a skirmish...
 
Yes.. Dhanoa's comments about Rafale were disingenuous, when going by the ton of money spent on India specific enhancements, one feels that the Rafale would only be deployed in a full on war, probably on a nuclear bombing mission. IAF would not risk their kohinoors in a skirmish...

Rafale would Not be doing CAPs obviously

That would be best done by Tejas with Derby ER

Rafale would be used to breach their defences , because it is Better than Su 30
In Both SEAD and Offensive Counter Air Missions

If Rafale comes close to their border
Their F 16 will stay far away because of
Meteor missile
 
Not blaming pilots sir, at all, they were following orders, I can't even think of their anger for not firing while Mig21 has to beyond enemy lines and a helicopter was shot and they lost 6 more comrades.

All three were entirely independent incidents. The MKI pilots couldn't control what happened with the helicopter or the Mig-21. The Mig-21s were the responsibility of the GCI personnel, and the helicopter was the responsibility of the SAM crew.

And a pilot has failed in his training if he makes decisions based on emotions.
 
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I see the Sanaatan traditions of hair splitting is very much alive out here. No such narratives from across the border. Well & truly depicts the facts as it exists to all those who think Pak Punjab is our long lost brother who's gone astray. Meanwhile, would love to see further hair splitting on the issue.

P. S - as of now, I was under the impression the only hair splitting occured among various Sunni sects in Islam on takfiri, kuffar, etc.
 
.. An off topic comment
I see the Sanaatan traditions of hair splitting is very much alive out here. No such narratives from across the border. Well & truly depicts the facts as it exists to all those who think Pak Punjab is our long lost brother who's gone astray. Meanwhile, would love to see further hair splitting on the issue.

P. S - as of now, I was under the impression the only hair splitting occured among various Sunni sects in Islam on takfiri, kuffar, etc.

Our people are dejected that we cannot declare Victory yet

The enemy might be gloating on the Internet
But they know that this was like the Stalemate of 1965

And they also know that 1965 was followed by 1971

That is why I am happy

The events that have been Set in Motion now will Lead to a Certain defeat for them

We have to keep preparing
 
If somebody thinks that Pakistanis are happy
About this stand off , they are Not

They are saying all crappy things on PDF
Because they want to appear strong
Before Indians

But they know this small conflict will Only help India to iron out its chinks and come back even harder at them the next time

And there will be a next time
Few days back Pakistani channels were cribbing about the prolonged stand off at border which increased their defense budget by 25-30%. Their biggest fear is if this standoff continues for 1-2 years, Pakistan will go bankrupt. I am not sure whether Modi will allow this heightened tension at border to continue even if he wants to do that. Remember there is always international pressure and India is not in a position to completely ignore them.

Regarding revenge, I would certainly prefer a slow and painful death for Pakistan with minimal damage to India. A full fledged war does not suit India's narrative and the cost is too high from India's economy prospective. Pakistan does not have much to loose, but we do.

So if India's response is reactive in nature, it's not a bad strategy. After every terrorist incident just keep increasing the intensity of our response and nobody in the world is going to complain. In the mean time keep funding the groups in Balochisthan, Sindh and FATA and increase the pressure on Pak army. The big elephant in the room is the budget of Pak army and India should go for a multi pronged strategy to increase this. At some point of time the Pak Army will loose support of general public due to this financial pressure and that will be the beginning of end of Pak Army.
No war is going to get us there. Even after the 1971 win, did Pak army go down?? No, they came back strong with terror funding in Punjab and development of Nuclear weapons. I would love to see Pakistan going down and if that is possible without death of hundreds of Indian soldiers, then why not??
 
Have you ever heard of bait and hunt? This lull is needed for Pakistan to start all over again with its game which will give us a very legitimate reason to dismember them. Remember my predictions. Mars is in the third house of Modi till mid August. Pakistan must not try anything funny or they are going to be roasted.
Lord Krishna was asked as to why he leaves his enemy Jarasangha everytime? He replied he does the job of collecting and bringing all bad souls of the world to him who can be slayed by the Lord Himself. He is working for me. Same principle applies here. All BOPs will be rebuilt and occupied again and Pakistan will again act like Jarasangha which will allow us to again kill all their soldiers manning BOPs and inflict more damage.

Mars in 3rd in Capricorn is Exalted. Very powerful and capable and will behave in a way it operates for Scorpio, which is by stealth and invisibility. Enemy will not be able to comprehend the next steps.
 
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I can't. But it was an air operation based on very accurate satellite imagery and the results were as per the strike. PAF had stationed their F-16s to satellite airfields just the way we do. The F-16 sqn targeted was the one which tried to strike us. We could have easily struck other F-16 formations of Pakistan. But we chose this sqn to send a message.

No wonder we did couple of Brahmos-A tests just before Baba tweeted Tarbela. Pretty cool. All of the DRDO's toys are now out from the lab and roaring into the fields. Great!! In order to have a F-16 sqn go up in flames, we must have used several Brahmos-A toys :):)
 
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