India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I think we should quietly get a few Tu 22 with Long Range Stand off Missiles

By the Way on Twitter there was a Story going around that One Fully loaded Rafale has arrived from France , before its " Official arrival " in September

So it could also be SCALP giving a Demo

 

[vstol Jockey]

DRDO Garuthma ? Looks like DRDO Garuthma underwent covert tests last year...
@vstol Jockey... Was this: 33.981356, 72.609027 the airport/airbase that was hit?

Yes that is the place. We could not use crystal maza last time. May be this time it was used.

Spice got 100km range, so a high altitude launch will cover 120+ kms

Yes SPICE250 has such a range. Also you must realise that POJK is Indian Territory.

 

[Golden_Rule]

Please look at the LoC and tell me the casualties you read of there , in the past 2-3 weeks . Please also refer to the statement issued by the GoI opening up the air space. Do these look like signs of aggression or hostility against Pakistan?

You have no idea of warfare. Aggression is not a persistent feature. Ever heard of diabetes? RN Kao once said - "why kill an enemy with bitter poison, you can kill it with sweetness too"

 

[Sulla84]

Yes that is the place. We could not use crystal maza last time. May be this time it was used.


Yes SPICE250 has such a range. Also you must realise that POJK is Indian Territory.

Was the launch from within POJK ?...
Someone please share the satellite image from 29th May..

 

[noksss]

If I will be objective during Modi's time Pakistan didn't suffered many cuts, however during weaker Manmohan time Pakistan was having a hemorrhage but then India too was attacked time to time. During Modis era Pakistan won over TTP upto large extent, cleaned Karachi, reduced MQM, sidelined any Indian assets or India sympathetic leader in Pakistan. There is barely any attack in Pakistan except Baloochistan, real Pakistan (Punjab) is almost as safe as India.

Shows how effective was Modi and Doval against Pakistan. I had so much expectations from them but if you assess objectively Modi-Doval combo actually performed worst than previous government and now again White Flag, just when we were in a position to collapse Pakistan economically and end this tumor we decided to give them breathing space. Classic Indian psyche, always leaving enemy breathing and helping to recuperate and later crying when enemy shows it's true colors.

Wow man!! You are now saying that , the regime which destroyed TSD(Technical Service Division) which resulted in more attack on the army and was pathetic in internal security (forget about responding to Pakistan) as a better regime than someone who did a far better job in internal security and have balls to order a Airstrike on a nuclear armed nation .

 

[Sulla84]

One thing is apparent... Excluding J and K, there have been zero major jihadi terror attacks on civilian targets in any of our major cities during Modi's rule... No train blasts in Mumbai, no 26/11 type of attacks, no blasts like Ahmedabad serial blasts... That to me is a remarkable achievement...

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Wow man!! You are now saying that , the regime which destroyed TSD(Technical Service Division) which resulted in more attack on the army and was pathetic in internal security (forget about responding to Pakistan) as a better regime than someone who did a far better job in internal security and have balls to order a Airstrike on a nuclear armed nation .

When you get out of this TV headline catchy statements like air strike on "Nuclear Armed" nation do compare the security situation of Pakistan today and in 2013. Threats to Pakistan, the severity of these threats in 2013 and today you will get the answer.

Unless you want to make it BJP - Congress and anyone questioning anti national actions will matter to you more than words.

The same nation we attacked by airstrike (damage assessment is still doubtful) came in day light within a day to attack Nuclear Power India, didn't shy away from targeting our military installation that too with a tiny fraction of our defence budget not from today but decades of this disparity.

The same nation promised to retaliate to our attack beforehand even after killing 40 of our Jawans and on the verge of economic collapse.

It's good to have a reality check in real world than living in alternate universe where Modiji slaughtered 300 with his bare hands. We are decades ahead of Pakistan in almost everything, technology, human resources, finance, almost everything still we find more reasons and excuses to justify our pusillanimity of backing down against a collapsing tiny nation.


We have edge of over 500 Billions in just defence budget over them in past 2 decades still we are not ready. What a joke! That country is imploding from 2 decades, at almost civil war or war with others with negligible economic growth yet we are not ready to ward off few vintage F16 and some Wing Commander has to take a suicidal mission to salvage some reputation.

Yet we are busy with see how handsome is Modi, how hard he works so what we are becoming pushover by day. Please do make it about Congress and BJP I won't be responding anymore.

 

[Yashpatel604]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135126306687873024

This tweeter account posted condition of tarbeta air base between 26 to 31 may! There is no damage to the air base!

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135126306687873024

This tweeter account posted condition of tarbeta air base between 26 to 31 may! There is no damage to the air base!

Were you really expecting some!!!!!

 

[vstol Jockey]

Were you really expecting some!!!!!

somehow similar satellite pictures were posted after Balakot strikes and they too showed no damage whatsoever,.

 

[Deathstar]

Anyways we have to praise *censored* for doing what they had warned a day before , that too in day light. We knew Pakistanis are going to do retaliate yet we couldn't be prepared. Our SAM system humiliated us even more , we lost 6 of our finest men. What about accountability of IAF?we as a nation deserve know what went wrong that day , even about frequent aircraft crashes , i think we lost a mig27 somewhere in Rajasthan after 27 feb , we lost 2 AF servicemen in an accident in Kashmir , both the government and armed forces need to be questioned , lives of our soldiers arent so cheap
Heck due to airstrikes everyone forgot that we lost 40 biggest attack in Kashmir till date , no one asks about RDX smuggled and such a big intelligence failure

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Anyways we have to praise *censored* for doing what they had warned a day before , that too in day light. We knew Pakistanis are going to do retaliate yet we couldn't be prepared. Our SAM system humiliated us even more , we lost 6 of our finest men. What about accountability of IAF?we as a nation deserve know what went wrong that day , even about frequent aircraft crashes , i think we lost a mig27 somewhere in Rajasthan after 27 feb , we lost 2 AF servicemen in an accident in Kashmir , both the government and armed forces need to be questioned , lives of our soldiers arent so cheap
Heck due to airstrikes everyone forgot that we lost 40 biggest attack in Kashmir till date , no one asks about RDX smuggled and such a big intelligence failure

You are inviting name calling and personal attacks. You should not ask relevant things, even after election is over it may present Mr Strong in bad light, something his slaves won't tolerate.

somehow similar satellite pictures were posted after Balakot strikes and they too showed no damage whatsoever,.

And it's still doubtful if there was any, so far there has not been a single image or evidence showing any such thing sir, however there is an image of pretty high resolution almost confirming no damage or any thing out of ordinary as you will except in a cover up. Everything perfectly normal which is impossible if you lost 300 people in that compound.

It is possible sir that your source lied to you or it was not so credible one, you being a professional and old respected member should not put your reputation on line for something you can't verify yourself or atleast don't double down on it.

I too have the urge to see Pakistan destroyed, that those MFkrs bringing destruction to whole continent to be punished. It's so tempting and satisfying to read these stories and I have fallen for them so many times but it's living in a lie.

When we take our eyes away from reality governments use it to keep us delusional in alternate universe and do nothing to change the situation. Pakistan is a perfect example of it. We are way better than those jihadi fools discontented from world and reality.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Anyways we have to praise *censored* for doing what they had warned a day before , that too in day light. We knew Pakistanis are going to do retaliate yet we couldn't be prepared. Our SAM system humiliated us even more , we lost 6 of our finest men. What about accountability of IAF?we as a nation deserve know what went wrong that day , even about frequent aircraft crashes , i think we lost a mig27 somewhere in Rajasthan after 27 feb , we lost 2 AF servicemen in an accident in Kashmir , both the government and armed forces need to be questioned , lives of our soldiers arent so cheap
Heck due to airstrikes everyone forgot that we lost 40 biggest attack in Kashmir till date , no one asks about RDX smuggled and such a big intelligence failure

It has been wrongly quoted that 350kgs of RDX was used. The total amount of explosives used were about that much and RDX was a very small part of it. The majority of explosive was ammonia nitrateand RDX was used to increase its blast effect.
You can never be 100% accurate in intelligence. It is sad that we lost 40 very good men but you dont know how many weresaved by the same intelligence agencies for the attempts they failed.

 

[vstol Jockey]

And it's still doubtful if there was any, so far there has not been a single image or evidence showing any such thing sir, however there is an image of pretty high resolution almost confirming no damage or any thing out of ordinary as you will except in a cover up. Everything perfectly normal which is impossible if you lost 300 people in that compound.

It is possible sir that your source lied to you or it was not so credible one, you being a professional and old respected member should not put your reputation on line for something you can't verify yourself or atleast don't double down on it.

I too have the urge to see Pakistan destroyed, that those MFkrs bringing destruction to whole continent to be punished. It's so tempting and satisfying to read these stories and I have fallen for them so many times but it's living in a lie.

When we take our eyes away from reality governments use it to keep us delusional in alternate universe and do nothing to change the situation. Pakistan is a perfect example of it. We are way better than those jihadi fools discontented from world and reality.

Balakot strike was doneas stated by IAF. No one is asking you to believe it. You are a mature man and have your own ways of questioning things to arrive at conclusions that you do. But questioning Balakot is wrong.

 

[fyodor]

Do you seriously think IAF will go inside Pakistan, attack their top most commandos and Pakistan will be completely silent, everyone completely silent except baba and the very next day IAF remove every airspace restriction?

Connect the dots man, it's in front of you. Pakistan is not like India, they get rattled very easily and it's very visible in their action. If something like that would have happened even to terrorists we will be on highest alert, Pakistan will be landing fighter jets on highways. They don't shy away from revenge, not even from US in Afghanistan, it's us that over think everything and later decide it's not worth it.

You seem to me the only guy talking on facts. Why is strategic front forum behaving like mythological front forum?
This is a world of psychological warfare. If you don't make your exploits public then it never happened.
And why do even people think that Pakistanis loosing a few F-solah or JF-satarah is a big thing? They are beggars and beggars can always beg for more.

Our only goal is to destroy the fake invincible image they have created in their awaam about themselves. This will give hawaa to separatist movements inside Pakistan.

 

[Deathstar]

You are inviting name calling and personal attacks. You should not ask relevant things, even after election is over it may present Mr Strong in bad light, something his slaves won't tolerate.


And it's still doubtful if there was any, so far there has not been a single image or evidence showing any such thing sir, however there is an image of pretty high resolution almost confirming no damage or any thing out of ordinary as you will except in a cover up. Everything perfectly normal which is impossible if you lost 300 people in that compound.

It is possible sir that your source lied to you or it was not so credible one, you being a professional and old respected member should not put your reputation on line for something you can't verify yourself or atleast don't double down on it.

I too have the urge to see Pakistan destroyed, that those MFkrs bringing destruction to whole continent to be punished. It's so tempting and satisfying to read these stories and I have fallen for them so many times but it's living in a lie.

When we take our eyes away from reality governments use it to keep us delusional in alternate universe and do nothing to change the situation. Pakistan is a perfect example of it. We are way better than those jihadi fools discontented from world and reality.

No sir I believe in Balakote strikes , biggest proof is Pakistanis taking journos after 44 days that too just to the mosque while we targeted the training room and dormitory
Also the BBC journo did say that they weren't allowed to talk for long , also a board saying madrasa run by Masood Azhar was present at that site and late removed
Also there were photos of the interior of the buildings showing before and after and they looked quite newly painted

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Balakot strike was doneas stated by IAF. No one is asking you to believe it. You are a mature man and have your own ways of questioning things to arrive at conclusions that you do. But questioning Balakot is wrong.

I am not questioning strikes, I am talking only about that compound. It is possible real action happened somewhere else or IAF tried their best and equipment malfunctioned and it missed the target or shot across the bow was the intention. No questions about it, they did their best no regrets, blowing it out of proportion for poltical gains is wrong. Just tell what happened in real, we are your own countrymen, with you always.

However events on 27th were not good, we did get f16 by exceptional courage of WC Abhinandan sir but every other thing was embarrassing. Specially the prepration and operational readiness something for which IAF top brass is responsible not the people putting their lives to defend us with below par equipment.

 

[vstol Jockey]

However events on 27th were not good, we did get f16 by exceptional courage of WC Abhinandan sir but every other thing was embarrassing. Specially the prepration and operational readiness something for which IAF top brass is responsible not the people putting their lives to defend us with below par equipment.

I too have stated this in my posts. IAF was caught sleeping and were surprised. The biggest setback was that our BVRAAMs were found to be defective. Its like going to a battle with dud bullets. What if PAF had actually managed to shoot down a SU-30MKI? What would have been the morale of IAF after that. WC Abhi salvaged the situation otherwise it could have been worse.

 

[Yashpatel604]

You seem to me the only guy talking on facts. Why is strategic front forum behaving like mythological front forum?
This is a world of psychological warfare. If you don't make your exploits public then it never happened.
And why do even people think that Pakistanis loosing a few F-solah or JF-satarah is a big thing? They are beggars and beggars can always beg for more.

Our only goal is to destroy the fake invincible image they have created in their awaam about themselves. This will give hawaa to separatist movements inside Pakistan.

True! Incident of 27th February will encourage them to do such misadventures! IAF did a tremendous job at balakot but lack of PR after the operation with not releasing satellite imaginary of the target we lost a PR battle. As usual they said we failed. we had nothing to support a successful strike to international audience. We needed to publicly humiliate Pakistani Army and we failed to do it! Not taking revenge after PAF misadventure will also dent our image as a strong military and emerging regional power!!!

 

[Sulla84]

I am not questioning strikes, I am talking only about that compound. It is possible real action happened somewhere else or IAF tried their best and equipment malfunctioned and it missed the target or shot across the bow was the intention. No questions about it, they did their best no regrets, blowing it out of proportion for poltical gains is wrong. Just tell what happened in real, we are your own countrymen, with you always.

However events on 27th were not good, we did get f16 by exceptional courage of WC Abhinandan sir but every other thing was embarrassing. Specially the prepration and operational readiness something for which IAF top brass is responsible not the people putting their lives to defend us with below par equipment.

Yep.. Looks like the only revenge ( talking only about airstrikes, and not LOC operations ) we got for PAF trying to hit our brigade HQ was WC Abhi taking down an F-16 which was part of the raiding party..