India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Sulla84]

We could not get firing solutions on F-16s one thing> We will find an answer to this But more shocking for PAF was that their best weapons failed and could be dodged off so easily by our SU-30MKIs. While our failure is a reason to worry, PAF failure is more shocking for their pilots. Imagine what will happen when MKIs are equipped with I-DerbyER and they face F-16s.

Is it true that amraams fired within the kill zone of amraam were also dodged by IAF ?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135177346904875010

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Rather they pushed SAM units forward.

It is an open challenge to PAF

I am sure the Akash missiles will fire even if they are 20 km away from the Border

An Ambush is an Ambush

Whether it is an Ambush by SAMs or Air to Air missile

 

[Shaktimaan]

If people believe that IAF has been sitting quietly after Feb 27 , then they are Foolish

What ever happened helped us immensely to know our weaknesses and understand the Enemy better

The Two Air Forces met each other after 1971

Such conflicts are any day preferable than
Playing DOSSIER Dossier

You are expecting too much from this govt and IAF. I can bet in few days you will get news that Pak have opened its airspace for us... IAF knew about their missiles condition.... Still they wait...

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Kaiser Tufail Does NOT want his Pension
To be stopped so he has written an Article

Quiet predictable , same as ISPR narrative

Aeronaut: Pulwama - From Bluster to a Whimper

 

[Deathstar]

I had also read that there are no hardened shelters for Su 30s on FOBs hence no numbers that day , imagine 10-12 su30s that day , what a pathetic state of affairs by the defence ministry , poor IAF they have been warning the government about such grievances

 

[Sulla84]

I had also read that there are no hardened shelters for Su 30s on FOBs hence no numbers that day , imagine 10-12 su30s that day , what a pathetic state of affairs by the defence ministry , poor IAF they have been warning the government about such grievances

It's sad really... The government cleared airtravel for CRPF personnel to and from Srinagar, only after 40 personnel were blown up..

 

[vstol Jockey]

AFAIK, the MKIs were not allowed to fire missiles across the LoC, so the F-16s managed to get first shot, and that the ingressing F-16s were too low and too far away for the R-77s to work anyway.

One can speculate that the Mig-21s jumped the F-16s quicker than the MKIs could react after dodging the first volley of AMRAAMs, which prevented the MKIs from retaliating lest they put the Mig-21s in danger with their own missiles.



We bought hundreds of R-27s only recently. We got deliveries of the first batch only in 2013.

Artem delivers first batch of R-27 missiles to Indian Air Force

How did I miss this. As per my knowledge these were the initial BVRAAMs supplied with Mig-29s and Su-30s. The lot was retired from service longback.

 

[Ashwin]

Question here.. What about R-27 and su-30 mki ? What variant and in what numbers do we have R-27 BVR missiles. Are they too at the end of their shelf life ? How reliable are they?

Those are new, mainly used by Mig-29. Su-30 MKI uses R-77 as primary armament which will be replaced by Astar hopefully.

 

[randomradio]

How did I miss this. As per my knowledge these were the initial BVRAAMs supplied with Mig-29s and Su-30s. The lot was retired from service longback.

The ones we ordered back in 1995 are gone. The new order replaced the old inventory.

It is an open challenge to PAF

I am sure the Akash missiles will fire even if they are 20 km away from the Border

An Ambush is an Ambush

Whether it is an Ambush by SAMs or Air to Air missile

There's both Barak and Spyder in the IAF's inventory.

 

[Sulla84]

The ones we ordered back in 1995 are gone. The new order replaced the old inventory.

Any idea what versions of R-27 we ordered with this batch from Artem..

There's both Barak and Spyder in the IAF's inventory.

So, the ROE agreement with Pakistan on the loc no longer holds ?

 

[vstol Jockey]

There's both Barak and Spyder in the IAF's inventory.

IAF has uplifted a few hundered latest R-77s with 120km range as emergency supplies in last one month itself.

 

[Arvind]

I think we are failing to understand Modi-Doval strategy. All of their major actions - Surgical Strike, Air Strike, Tarbela (if it happened), and the list Baba mentions, all are intended to destroy the "tools" the deep state of Pakistan uses against India. This is the current level of escalation.

The duo respects every human life, on this side as well as on the other side of the border, even the deep state actors. In their design of strategy, they do have a justification to escalate to the next level where the loss of human lives on Indian side will justify the results the act will achieve. So, relax SF Warriors!

Yes, the duo is beating crap out of Pak and then requesting them to allow Sushmaji fly over Pak to avoid some inconvenience. Sums up well.

Also opening up its airspace just after alleged(not) Tarbela and within 24 hrs of Modi swearing in.

Modi-Doval strategy has already achieved its objectives on May 23.

And no, I am not a warrior, neither online nor in life. Just a common man who should not be wasted for greed of few.

 

[Arvind]

Our only goal is to destroy the fake invincible image they have created in their awaam about themselves. This will give hawaa to separatist movements inside Pakistan.

And still somehow we could never produce a credible proof of devastating loss we allegedly cause to Pakistan. As if we care about their armed forces reputation.

End up with videos of a drown Mig, Mi heli and our brave pilot being mishandled.

 

[randomradio]

Any idea what versions of R-27 we ordered with this batch from Artem..

IR and semi-active.

So, the ROE agreement with Pakistan on the loc no longer holds ?

Nothing to do with that. ROE still stays. If they breach it, they die.

 

[randomradio]

IAF has uplifted a few hundered latest R-77s with 120km range as emergency supplies in last one month itself.

About time they did that. They should have done it years ago.

 

[Arvind]

somehow similar satellite pictures were posted after Balakot strikes and they too showed no damage whatsoever,.

And somehow no technology on earth could show any evidence of any damage.

IAF was surprised by what all happened that day. Thye two SU-30MKI were at the end of their endurance and other than dancing to avoid AMRAAMs could do nothing. They could not even fire back as their R-77 missiles were not cleared for launch by weapons computers. The two M2Ks were in an area which was far away from the place of engagement. IAF tracked all these formations and yet did not call for back up. They than saw these various formations group together over Pak Punjab and yet IAF did not call for back up. PAF had probably studied the CAP routine and AWACS routine after Pulwama and knew when these aircraft will be at the end of their endurance. They attacked within that window. The moment we came under pressure, we buckled under it and shot down one of our own even though we had multiple layers of procedures available to prevent one such incident. Even the AWACS was stationed over Punjab and moved to the engagement area later. The biggest surprise for IAF were the JF-17s which probably came from North.
Lastly, once the battle was over, SU-30MKIs told about what happened to R-77s and how they proved to be duds. Do you think we could have counter attacked after that? Someone sensibly decided to hammer them at LOC and that is what we are doing.
Finally, what is the state of our Fighter fleet? We are short of 10 sqns, three sqns each of M2K and Mig-29s are under upgrade so this practically reduces the numbers to below 25. The old warhorse Mig-21Bison is still our frontline fighter. A matter of great shame for our Nation and our politicians for bringing our armed forces to such dismal state.

Sorry if its true, its not the politicians but the IAF top brass as well who need to be hanged by their balls.

If people believe that IAF has been sitting quietly after Feb 27 , then they are Foolish

What ever happened helped us immensely to know our weaknesses and understand the Enemy better

The Two Air Forces met each other after 1971

Such conflicts are any day preferable than
Playing DOSSIER Dossier

Hmm so it take a real air conflict to know that even F16-Blk 52 are far superior to whatever IAF can field.

And they can come and our SAM will be sitting ducks, oops not sitting ducks but killing our own helis and men.

Nice self consolatory post.

Why is our Army able to beat the crap out of the Pak Army in just a few days of Intense shelling

That is because the Army is battle hardened
And knows the Enemies Abilities very well

So IAF should also conduct such Aggression Every year , it is infinitely better than Gaganshakti exercise

and who told you this? baba?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

and who told you this? baba?

If you were Not a Moderator I would have given you a piece of my mind

People like you can only beat their chests
All the time

If there was a Congress govt in power
Then your Lamentations would have made some sense

I have Full faith in IAF and The Govt

All deficiencies will be taken care of

But you can keep crying

Hmm so it take a real air conflict to know that even F16-Blk 52 are far superior to whatever IAF can field.

And they can come and our SAM will be sitting ducks, oops not sitting ducks but killing our own helis and men.

Nice self consolatory post

Block 52 are not superior

Otherwise A block 52 D would not have
Been shot down by MiG 21

They only managed to create a temporary
And local superiority

Hmm so it take a real air conflict to know that even F16-Blk 52 are far superior to whatever IAF can field.

And they can come and our SAM will be sitting ducks, oops not sitting ducks but killing our own helis and men.

Nice self consolatory post

That is why Wars are necessary

When you have enemies like Pakistan
You must fight with them to know
Where Both of us stand

Dossiers dont help in revealing hard truths
About capabilities

 

[Arvind]

If you were Not a Moderator I would have given you a piece of my mind

lol, believe me you are nobody, absolutely nobody, who can give me any kind of piece, no matter if I am some mod or anything on an online forum.

People like you can only beat their chests
All the time

56 inch one?

If there was a Congress govt in power
Then your Lamentations would have made some sense

Ahh, party worker spotted here.

I have Full faith in IAF and The Govt

I dont, and thats why I question. My right not to trust any crap thrown at me.

All deficiencies will be taken care of

But you can keep crying

Yes, I am hit, my countrymen dying, I am crying.

What you are doing bhakt?

That is why Wars are necessary

When you have enemies like Pakistan
You must fight with them to know
Where Both of us stand

Dossiers dont help in revealing hard truths
About capabilities

Wars are needed not fake 56 inch chest thumping.

Block 52 are not superior

Otherwise A block 52 D would not have
Been shot down by MiG 21

They only managed to create a temporary
And local superiority

How its the case that proof of only Indian mig down comes out with video of lots of thappads on our brave man Abhi?

And never an iota of proof of any claim of Indian doing damage to Pakistan?

What this sorcery is all about?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Wars are needed not fake 56 inch chest thumping.

You are too badly influenced by PDF

Stop visiting it , it is a Snake pit

By the way there are Real Professionals
Out there who have already written about
Everything that happened

People like Gen Panag , Ajai Shukla
Mandeep Bajwa , Arjun Subramaniam - who is Ex IAF Air Marshal

If you can do better than them , then go ahead and write in Mainstream media