India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Arsalan123 said:
no i am still active there.
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Pakistan's problem is Not whether F 16 went down or H4 missed their targets

The REAL and larger problem from here on is that they have to Convince their own people that the
N deterrence is working

And the Fact is that it is NOT working

That is why we have these
Un declared And Un official attacks going on which Are being quietly absorbed by Pakistanis
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Pakistan's problem is Not whether F 16 went down or H4 missed their targets

The REAL and larger problem from here on is that they have to Convince their own people that the
N deterrence is working

And the Fact is that it is NOT working

That is why we have these
Un declared And Un official attacks going on which Are being quietly absorbed by Pakistanis
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i listen to every side.i don't find any evidence of any undeclared attacks on pakistan.today we can use satellites to see damage at particular places.there is no damage at balakot and no damage at tarbela.you did balakot,we did feb 27.our N deterrence isn't working now and we accepted this as reality but you should also think about our retaliation.our biggest advantage is our friend china and we will continue to procure more new weapons from china.india can attack pakistan at any place but now,pakistan can also attack india at any place.now there is no fear in india about pakistani nuclear attack and similarly there is no fear for any new balakot type attack because we know,we also have the capability.
 
Arsalan123 said:
i listen to every side.i don't find any evidence of any undeclared attacks on pakistan.today we can use satellites to see damage at particular places.there is no damage at balakot and no damage at tarbela.you did balakot,we did feb 27.our N deterrence isn't working now and we accepted this as reality but you should also think about our retaliation.our biggest advantage is our friend china and we will continue to procure more new weapons from china.india can attack pakistan at any place but now,pakistan can also attack india at any place.now there is no fear in india about pakistani nuclear attack and similarly there is no fear for any new balakot type attack because we know,we also have the capability.
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Grt, with same logic can you show, the damage by imagery, of the laser guided glide bomb Pakistan claim to have dropped on feb 27, which hit Brig Hq, a fact claimed by Pak & since India doesn't hide, it even accepted.
or can u show any of your bombs even exploding inside India??
Pls post PIC's only no text of damage done by bombs on 27th, else your post has no meaning & relevance by your own words
 
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Arsalan123 said:
i listen to every side.i don't find any evidence of any undeclared attacks on pakistan.today we can use satellites to see damage at particular places.there is no damage at balakot and no damage at tarbela.you did balakot,we did feb 27.our N deterrence isn't working now and we accepted this as reality but you should also think about our retaliation.our biggest advantage is our friend china and we will continue to procure more new weapons from china.india can attack pakistan at any place but now,pakistan can also attack india at any place.now there is no fear in india about pakistani nuclear attack and similarly there is no fear for any new balakot type attack because we know,we also have the capability.
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Short air skirmishes are not an issue for PAF. It's only during sustained air campaigns that PAF would start having problems...
 
Arsalan123 said:
f-16 but why it was vanished from radar is a mystery.iaf didn't show more frames after vanishing of jet.any fighter jet can use mountains to it's advantage.it's possible that f-16 hide itself behind a mountain and that's why vanished from radar.
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Strange coincidence F16 vanishes from radar at the same time two different videos of jets getting shot surfaces. One was Mig21 and if other witness statements taken into account along with videos not much is left to imagination.

Arsalan123 said:
clearly we managed to achieve our goals
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No you didn't, if anyone failed worst than IAF on both 26th and 27th was PAF. On 26th they didn't knew India intruded and bombed KPK.

27th was nightmare for PAF, they missed every ground target and wasted multiple top of the line AMRAAM for nothing, imagine the confidence of pilots in next conflict when they try deploying it. It was so embarrassing for Pakistan that they denied using F16 all together and if it was not enough they lost one to a vintage Mig21 about to be retired.

If missing all target both in air and ground and getting shot down by Mig21 were your goals than you definitely achieved all of them. Except intent to not back down against India at any cost PAF achieved nothing but it's your airforce I will leave it to you to judges and question, I won't even compare IAF to PAF.
 
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LoneWolfSandeep said:
Grt, with same logic can you show, the damage by imagery, of the laser guided glide bomb Pakistan claim to have dropped on feb 27, which hit Brig Hq, a fact claimed by Pak & since India doesn't hide, it even accepted.
or can u show any of your bombs even exploding inside India??
Pls post PIC's only no text of damage done by bombs on 27th, else your post has no meaning & relevance by your own words
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do you still believe that we missed bombs? we selected empty places near military installations.we don't want war.
 
LoneWolfSandeep said:
Grt, with same logic can you show, the damage by imagery, of the laser guided glide bomb Pakistan claim to have dropped on feb 27, which hit Brig Hq, a fact claimed by Pak & since India doesn't hide, it even accepted.
or can u show any of your bombs even exploding inside India??
Pls post PIC's only no text else your post has no meaning & relevance by your own words
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They don't know where their bombs landed... They just wait for the Indian media to give them some information
Most of the H-4 bombs landed no where near a military installation.. and Gafoora said that that was the Idea. Then Indian media said one H-4 landed in the compound of brigade HQ, but did not hit any building. Now, PAF guys say, that was the Idea all along..
Also, Gafoora picked up the information that Lt. General Ranbir Singh had visited the brigade HQ a while before the bombing after it appeared in Indian media, and started thumping his chest saying PAF had spared him. Indian Navy had confined Pakistan Navy to the Makran coast. It just published a statement about it and that's all, there was no chest thumping.. There were zero filmy dialogues in any of Indian armed forces press conferences. But, with Pakistan it's the exact opposite..
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Strange coincidence F16 vanishes from radar at the same time two different videos of jets getting shot surfaces. One was Mig21 and if other witness statements taken into account along with videos not much is left to imagination.


No you didn't, if anyone failed worst than IAF on both 26th and 27th was PAF. On 26th they didn't knew India intruded and bombed KPK.

27th was nightmare for PAF, they missed every ground target and wasted multiple top of the line AMRAAM for nothing, imagine the confidence of pilots in next conflict when they try deploying it. It was so embarrassing for Pakistan that they denied using F16 all together and if it was not enough they lost one to a vintage Mig21 about to be retired.

If missing all target both in air and ground and getting shot down by Mig21 were your goals than you definitely achieved all of them. Except intent to not back down against India at any cost PAF achieved nothing but it's your airforce I will leave it to you to judges and question, I won't even compare IAF to PAF.
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do you remember what ispr said? he said we selected empty places/spots near your military installations.our goal was to create panic and not to target your army men.do you really think that amraam missed targets? do you remember small piece of amraam which your airforce showed to the public? kindly review the video.amraam was totally destroyed.
 
Arsalan123 said:
there is still no proof of an f-16 hit.there was a second jet but we still not sure about f-16.initial reports said that americans counted f-16 near sargodha air base and no plane was missing.later pentagon denied any count.iaf radar data are still images and not video.i know iaf was tracking f-16 but why it was vanished from radar is a mystery.iaf didn't show more frames after vanishing of jet.any fighter jet can use mountains to it's advantage.it's possible that f-16 hide itself behind a mountain and that's why vanished from radar.we know there was a second jet.if it's our f-16,we will accept it but sometime later.mig-21 encountered paf at the later stage of fight and not the beginning.we intruded deep and nobody knows what we were doing in your airspace.why your own forces hit your own helicopter is also a mystery.clearly we managed to achieve our goals but at later stage,we might lost one f-16.we will surely know the truth.
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Lol what was ur goal, Indian jets crossed 50Kms into Pak and u guys droped ur payload from LOC only, got ur f16 shot down, gafoori made a fool of himself in press conference (pilot in hospital comment)... What was ur goal.... Your whole air force was flying that day and we had only few few jets air borne that day, still u cant hit our base...and that beepdelete guy is pakistani, how you are so sure that he is showing satellite images for 26-31 may duration??
 
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Arsalan123 said:
do you still believe that we missed bombs? we selected empty places near military installations.we don't want war.
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Really? then you shouldn't have come, at all. And all those AAMRAM shots were for what? fun? those missile don't come cheap.
Anyway, empty ground or a building, 27 Feb attack on our Brig HQ will be given a firm reply.
 
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do you remember what ispr said? he said we selected empty places/spots near your military installations.our goal was to create panic and not to target your army men.do you really think that amraam missed targets? do you remember small piece of amraam which your airforce showed to the public? kindly review the video.amraam was totally destroyed.
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Wtf.... Then why they used costly guided bombs if they didnt wanted to hit our base, they can use dummy bombs and drop in HQ compound
 
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Ashutosh said:
Really? then you shouldn't have come, at all. And all those AAMRAM shots were for what? fun? those missile don't come cheap.
Anyway, empty ground or a building, 27 Feb attack on our Brig HQ will be given a firm reply.
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at least your are accepting that we targeted empty slots near your brig HQ.lonewolf is not even accepting it.amraam were fired to avoid su-30s because some of our jets were busy inside your airspace.it was for protection,not for a kill.our pilots know maximum and minimum range of amraam.
 
Arsalan123 said:
it's not me who is saying this.it's your army who accepted that we dropped bombs.we selected empty slots.you know everything.why are you behaving like you don't know anything.you dropped bombs,we dropped bombs.
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you guys ask proof of our bomb drops, even if we accept Pakistan image claim our bombs missed & hit your trees in Balakot.. but its proof atleast we dropped bombs, whats your imagery proof that Pakistan dropped bombs???
This I ask as you are hung ho on imagery - that imagery is easily available & cant be missed
Oh and I do accept your bombs fell in empty spaces - just can you prove it by Pics is the question?

And what about
India shows Radar imagery of battle, why is Pakistan scared to show the radar imagery - afraid it show your F16 going down​
 
Shaktimaan said:
Wtf.... Then why they used costly guided bombs if they didnt wanted to hit our base, they can use dummy bombs and drop in HQ compound
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because we never wanted to kill your army men.according to us,you didn't hit the building during balakot attack so we decided not to hit any of your installations.there is no damage on our side during balakot.iaf dropped bombs on empty places purposefully.there are lots of children in every madrassa.iaf wanted to show capability just like us.balakot building hit means death of children and international pressure on india.you did a great job.we also did well.we are a small country.your air force is much bigger but we did everything in the same level as yours.
 
Arsalan123 said:
do you remember what ispr said? he said we selected empty places/spots near your military installations.our goal was to create panic and not to target your army men.do you really think that amraam missed targets? do you remember small piece of amraam which your airforce showed to the public? kindly review the video.amraam was totally destroyed.
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American experts have said that by the significant amount of debris left behind, shown during the press conference, it shows that the AMRAAM had missed it's target.
 
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