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In the fog of war,both side have played very well to misguide or twisted the truth but pakistan cleverly played with propaganda mixed with half truth..Initial information was always right,their were three pilots,Abhi from our side and remaining 2 from your side.But when they realised the blunder,Abhi's capturing video suddenly popped up.That was the media diversion tactics..
Only one question:Why DG ISPR thanked the social media platforms in his PC?
 
Pak Army is a Shameless Organisation

They just want to keep Looting the Country

Forget about Taking Kashmir , They dont want to Even Fight Back
 
First Sami ul Haq & now MA. It's fun time to be a jihadi in Pakistan. What's more, if the PA spins it into a narrative that India undertook this assassination, JeM cadres will be itching for revenge. Another Pulwama and it's deja vu all over again. If they keep quiet, JeM cadres will suspect the ISI - PA duo and join hands with the TTP in unleashing hell within Pakistan. All in all, it's a very good time to be a Pakistani. As a saying ( it's actually a curse couched in subtle sophisticated language.one has to mention this else the Pakistanis here will take it as a compliment.) in iron brother's tongue goes - may you live in interesting times. @zarvan ; @safriz ; @Arsalan123

Yesterday Both Bajwa and Ghafoor were
Watching World Cup Match

And a bomb went off in Rawalpindi
Hospital

How Convenient
 
Even DG ISPR had issued the statement that their planes did not cross LOC and they attacked Indian installation from within Pakistani air space.

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IAF to change missile-firing procedure to ensure video feed in Balakot-like operations

You still think sir that a special penetrator bomb was needed to penetrate a tin roof and a concrete roof?

No concrete roof can stop 1200kg bomb from that height, this story of using Spice 2000 seems to have been created to avoid embarrassment when third party pictures are released and no damage was seen.
 
Do you guys really trust bababanaras? Nothing happened on 5 and 6th march.tarbella is visible from satellites and balakot was debunked by international experts.there are no marks of any bomb.there was no hole in the building.do you really trust baba? I think there are satellite images and you can check it by yourself.there is no damage in balakot building and no damage at tarbela airport.
Yeah nothing happened on 5th and 6th March, just a few crows, CROWAS and Trees were hit as GAFOORA said. Have a peace of mind.

Nothing happened even yesterday just a gas cylinder went off as per GAFOORA then why hide by stopping internet service. Tell me does a gas cylinder blasts with such a huge noise and causes that huge destruction with black smoke. Have a peace of mind. Pakistan army now is like a woman which gets raped but can't disclose its misery to world. Right now PA is being gang banged by India and India led groups in Gilgit Baltistan, Baluchistan Sindh fata, Afghanistan, Iran,etc but PA can't disclose due to fake bravado in front of home audience, the world knows India is screwing Pakistan but when Pakistan isn't complaining about about penetrations why bother and disturb relationship with India which is more important financially.

Pakistan army is in catch 22 situation, if they disclose India is hitting them their false bravado falls apart in front of the citizens and there will be demand for war which they know they can't fight. Have fun and enjoy those penetrations....😁😁😁😂😂😂
 
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Yesterday there was bomb blast at Rawalpindi Military Hospital

In One Minute , Pak Army ordered all media to black out this news

Still some cell phone videos reached Twitter

Do you really think that Pakistan Army will
Disclose its losses , Never

There is an official statement of DGispr that all that casualties cannot be disclosed.
 
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You should read this when you have the time, itll help you form a better opinion :)

Boom or bust: What science tells us about what went down in Balakot - Herald

and watch this too
Sir that article is talking about smudge marks theory and a different building (image 1). Target building was later changed to the one with 4 side pyramidal roof (image 2) when more clear images of site were released by European Space Agency resellers. This building (image 1) was all in clear and probably also was the one where foreign media was taken inside. Those smudge marks are not really any damage and even a user posted older pics of it containing same.

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Also in image 3 the digging soil or burn marks as @vstol Jockey once said are clear however these marks are there from before and not created after our strike.

Video of Iyyer-
He claimed 3 sources that confirmed strike - Satelite image, Radar and Telescope type reconnaissance.
On sat images he says that Sat image failed because of cloud cover for 2 days.


The high-resolution ESA image was of 3 PM next day, no clouds in it. Have seen another satellite picture too of different time next day, no cloud cover.​

Then he claims some radar taking pictures from 150km and a reconnaissance spot where you can get images via telescope and those things gets tricky when bodies get cold as they are heat sensitive.
Dont know about the radar part, maybe we have such system but I have had chance to use Celestron Telescope he was talking about for planet watching as my friend was an aerospace engineer and space enthusiast. For an optical telescope, you can get zoom of good level but it has nothing to do with heat signature of body as Mr. Iyyer suggested also the Jaba Hilltop is on height no matter where you stand in the vicinity you will always be looking up and you cant get anything of inside the compound as walls and trees are blocking the view unless you are on higher hilltop looking down into compound and have a clear line of sight (very difficult due to trees). I doubt there are many such points there and are not already under the monitoring of Pak Army.​
For the Infrared telescopes, earth is too bright as they monitor above zero temperature bodies in space. Its an expensive and complicated piece of equipment, how you smuggle it in Pakistan and then set it up and then get clear results I dont know. A normal Super Zoom Camera P1000 can zoom upto 30km, you can identify a tree from 15km, read the signage of building from 10km and get a clear shot from 5km. It is commercially available without raising any alarms to intelligence agencies, that can give you safe enough distance to get a shot of Ambulance heading uphill to compound and no such image was released.​
In the rest of the video he is talking about the damage of bomb and bashing everyone else. Very substandard video with lot of BS from him and irony is he is abusing everyone for being substandard.
 
The digital globe images released by ESA of Balakot of next day of the strike are now available on Google Earth Pro, anyone interested in playing can download Google Earth Pro (I think it is free now). So play around and see for yourself.
 
Sir that article is talking about smudge marks theory and a different building (image 1). Target building was later changed to the one with 4 side pyramidal roof (image 2) when more clear images of site were released by European Space Agency resellers. This building (image 1) was all in clear and probably also was the one where foreign media was taken inside. Those smudge marks are not really any damage and even a user posted older pics of it containing same.

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Also in image 3 the digging soil or burn marks as @vstol Jockey once said are clear however these marks are there from before and not created after our strike.

Video of Iyyer-
He claimed 3 sources that confirmed strike - Satelite image, Radar and Telescope type reconnaissance.
On sat images he says that Sat image failed because of cloud cover for 2 days.


The high-resolution ESA image was of 3 PM next day, no clouds in it. Have seen another satellite picture too of different time next day, no cloud cover.​

Then he claims some radar taking pictures from 150km and a reconnaissance spot where you can get images via telescope and those things gets tricky when bodies get cold as they are heat sensitive.

Dont know about the radar part, maybe we have such system but I have had chance to use Celestron Telescope he was talking about for planet watching as my friend was an aerospace engineer and space enthusiast. For an optical telescope, you can get zoom of good level but it has nothing to do with heat signature of body as Mr. Iyyer suggested also the Jaba Hilltop is on height no matter where you stand in the vicinity you will always be looking up and you cant get anything of inside the compound as walls and trees are blocking the view unless you are on higher hilltop looking down into compound and have a clear line of sight (very difficult due to trees). I doubt there are many such points there and are not already under the monitoring of Pak Army.​


For the Infrared telescopes, earth is too bright as they monitor above zero temperature bodies in space. Its an expensive and complicated piece of equipment, how you smuggle it in Pakistan and then set it up and then get clear results I dont know. A normal Super Zoom Camera P1000 can zoom upto 30km, you can identify a tree from 15km, read the signage of building from 10km and get a clear shot from 5km. It is commercially available without raising any alarms to intelligence agencies, that can give you safe enough distance to get a shot of Ambulance heading uphill to compound and no such image was released.​


In the rest of the video he is talking about the damage of bomb and bashing everyone else. Very substandard video with lot of BS from him and irony is he is abusing everyone for being substandard.


Please don't sir me, were all equal under the tricolour :) as to the rest. I'll go through each point and come back shortly. You make very reasonable rebuttals

Ps iyer I forgot to mention just the Diwali pataka part. The kinetic functioning of the weapon in an open structure.
The rest is marketing :)

Also I hear a rumour. NTRO might have some images or data being prepped for a release.
Should add some spice to the broth.
 
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In the fog of war,both side have played very well to misguide or twisted the truth but pakistan cleverly played with propaganda mixed with half truth..Initial information was always right,their were three pilots,Abhi from our side and remaining 2 from your side.But when they realised the blunder,Abhi's capturing video suddenly popped up.That was the media diversion tactics..
Only one question:Why DG ISPR thanked the social media platforms in his PC?
Sir, I'm not sure what your reply has to do with the observation I made.
 
Figures are out, 36 billion PKR is how much this stand off costed in terms of military expenditure. Opportunity cost, trade loss is not included.

3600 crore PKR, 1800 crore INR or around $250 million, some other grants and funds are taken too under various names. Could easily cost over a billion USD if everything is taken into account. We could have bled them for long making them bankrupt but we want to play peace peace again.

The total allocations for the defence services will amount to Rs1.522tr next year, compared to Rs1.253tr during current year, showing an increase of about 21.5pc.

21% increase in defence budget and these frauds fooled Pakistani public by claiming that there is zero increase in defence budget this year.

Defence services secured biggest supplementary grant - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (today)

Defence budget to remain unchanged - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (2 weeks ago)

Don't worry too much about their defence budget, those are fudged figures and does not even consider major capital purchases.
 
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Don't have your hopes high..

Images released will doubted for photos shopping.. Like radar pics released..

Best is to wait for Pak source s agree after some years or USA officially agrees on F16 count.

Btw we should hear about F16 crash before the count happens.
I don't care if Bangladesh or Maldives confirms it but we need a confirmation from a 3rd party.
 
Don't have your hopes high..

Images released will doubted for photos shopping.. Like radar pics released..

Best is to wait for Pak source s agree after some years or USA officially agrees on F16 count.

Btw we should hear about F16 crash before the count happens.
F16 (or another PAF jet) is done deal. Doesn't matter they deny or cry they lost it. Just some good news on Balakot front will feel much better.
 
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Sir this is what you said in post #8969 - 'But the intruding F-16s were at a level lower than even MKIs. And MKIs could not even get a shot at them.' So i infer that the R-77s are bad compared to the C5s.

No, it's just basic physics when going against gravity.

Reverse their positions and it would be the same.
 
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