India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[BlackOpsIndia]

So basically damage at Balakot was minimal?

I don't know, I am talking about only a compound for which most theories and fantasies are spread. Heck even in this article the "source" support the claim of strike on the fact that Pakistan restricted access to journalists for weeks which has made me really nervous.

Previously these sources use to claim that they have some better pics of Indian and friendly nation satellites that are shown to selected people showing damage, that gave me little assurance that I will be wrong. Now if our strike claim is based on such facts god save us.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Sir this is what you said in post #8969 - 'But the intruding F-16s were at a level lower than even MKIs. And MKIs could not even get a shot at them.' So i infer that the R-77s are bad compared to the C5s.

Let me explain again. The strike package had aircraft for ambush role and strike role. The F-16s which intruded were at lower level and the ones in ambush were at much higher level.
The ambush guys fired at SU-30MKIs and at that time these intruding F-16s came in at low levels. So while initially Su-30MKIs tried to engage these high flying ambush F-16s, The low level strike force was engaged by Mig-21Bisons.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

I suggest that instead of asking me this question, you please read up a bit about time delay, penetrater and impact fuses. That will ensure that you need not ask these questions.

Glad that you brought it sir, I am no munition expert but didn't most air to ground bombs penetrator or otherwise be used in both time delayed and impact fuse configuration?

 

[vstol Jockey]

Glad that you brought it sir, I am no munition expert but didn't most air to ground bombs penetrator or otherwise be used in both time delayed and impact fuse configuration?

An impact fuse will go off on impacting the tin roof. A time delay will allow the weapon to penetrate, remain embedded and go off after a pre set time. We use such bombs to blow off runways. The penetrator type will not go off even after hitting a concrete structure as it has series of small explosives which fire to create a path for the bomb to go thru layers of reinforced concrete structures till reaches a programmed place for explosion. The idea at balakot was to kill maximum number of human beings who were terrorists. Damage to structure was not of such importance as killing was. If we had destroyed the structure, the chances are that the casualties would have been lower.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

An impact fuse will go off on impacting the tin roof. A time delay will allow the weapon to penetrate, remain embedded and go off after a pre set time. We use such bombs to blow off runways. The penetrator type will not go off even after hitting a concrete structure as it has series of small explosives which fire to create a path for the bomb to go thru layers of reinforced concrete structures till reaches a programmed place for explosion. The idea at balakot was to kill maximum number of human beings who were terrorists. Damage to structure was not of such importance as killing was. If we had destroyed the structure, the chances are that the casualties would have been lower.

That's was my point sir, there were not many layers of concrete to use a special weapon, so why would be using Spice 2000? Seems like I am not being able to convey my point, my bad. Later I will ask when I can frame a better question.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Pulwama happened on 14th, IN had localised this sub before balakot and by 4-5th Mar we were in a position to sink it. The 5-6th March strikes happened after that as we were now fully sure of taking out complete Pakistan in case of serious escalation. Pakistan backed off. We tried many more acts to force them into retaliation but they just kept quiet. Athmuqam was where we took out two APCs killing a Brigadier and two cols of PA. Than we took out three of their MBTs opposite Jammu. We took out their ammo dump opposite Akhnoor and then Tarbela. And they kept quiet.

Sir , Exactly what happened on March 5-6

 

[thinkingcap81]

Pulwama happened on 14th, IN had localised this sub before balakot and by 4-5th Mar we were in a position to sink it. The 5-6th March strikes happened after that as we were now fully sure of taking out complete Pakistan in case of serious escalation. Pakistan backed off. We tried many more acts to force them into retaliation but they just kept quiet. Athmuqam was where we took out two APCs killing a Brigadier and two cols of PA. Than we took out three of their MBTs opposite Jammu. We took out their ammo dump opposite Akhnoor and then Tarbela. And they kept quiet.

Are missiles and ATGMs used for such things?

 

[panzerdad]

Regarding 5/6th March, we had taken some hits on the 2nd near the LOC, the school children hit resulted in
a LOCKDOWN in the region, also the ordnance used by pakistan at that time was found to be a higher caliber mortar shell
which resulted in a SWIFT retaliation by IA.

Post lock down i know that we had initiated a deafening/devastating strike, using ATGM's and high intensity rounds(mortars) aimed
at most of their forward positions, some MSR's got cut and a few forward posts were taken down, the strike
intensity rattled Pakistan, as post 5th if you noticed the small arms fire became a staple in all LOC activity for along time.

On the 6th the attack forced Pakistan to retaliate on multiple sectors as the damages were high, they let lose on Poonch and Rajouri
across 4 zones with field guns, and if you notice on the 7th MOD at the time issued a statement warning Pakistan of heavier retaliation as well as cancelling her visit to the region, this kinda sums up the 5/6/7th data

 

[vstol Jockey]

That's was my point sir, there were not many layers of concrete to use a special weapon, so why would be using Spice 2000? Seems like I am not being able to convey my point, my bad. Later I will ask when I can frame a better question.

One layer of concrete is enough as the blast will not be directional but omni directional for a normal bomb. You might have read about shaped charges or directional ammunitions. A normal arty bomb when fired and bursts on impact on ground covers lesser area compared to one which explodes in air called air burst round.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Regarding 5/6th March, we had taken some hits on the 2nd near the LOC, the school children hit resulted in
a LOCKDOWN in the region, also the ordnance used by pakistan at that time was found to be a higher caliber mortar shell
which resulted in a SWIFT retaliation by IA.

Post lock down i know that we had initiated a deafening/devastating strike, using ATGM's and high intensity rounds(mortars) aimed
at most of their forward positions, some MSR's got cut and a few forward posts were taken down, the strike
intensity rattled Pakistan, as post 5th if you noticed the small arms fire became a staple in all LOC activity for along time.

On the 6th the attack forced Pakistan to retaliate on multiple sectors as the damages were high, they let lose on Poonch and Rajouri
across 4 zones with field guns, and if you notice on the 7th MOD at the time issued a statement warning Pakistan of heavier retaliation as well as cancelling her visit to the region, this kinda sums up the 5/6/7th data

Losses on our side ...?

 

[panzerdad]

I don't know, I am talking about only a compound for which most theories and fantasies are spread. Heck even in this article the "source" support the claim of strike on the fact that Pakistan restricted access to journalists for weeks which has made me really nervous.

Previously these sources use to claim that they have some better pics of Indian and friendly nation satellites that are shown to selected people showing damage, that gave me little assurance that I will be wrong. Now if our strike claim is based on such facts god save us.

You should read this when you have the time, itll help you form a better opinion

Boom or bust: What science tells us about what went down in Balakot - Herald

and watch this too

 

[panzerdad]

Losses on our side ...?

In the image, 4 civies 2 operators ..

 

[panzerdad]

Some welcome news !!
Also means we're continuing our stand on #guskarmarenge since there are new camps identified that
might require some landscaping !!

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Do you guys really trust bababanaras? Nothing happened on 5 and 6th march.tarbella is visible from satellites and balakot was debunked by international experts.there are no marks of any bomb.there was no hole in the building.do you really trust baba? I think there are satellite images and you can check it by yourself.there is no damage in balakot building and no damage at tarbela airport.

Yesterday there was bomb blast at Rawalpindi Military Hospital

In One Minute , Pak Army ordered all media to black out this news

Still some cell phone videos reached Twitter

Do you really think that Pakistan Army will
Disclose its losses , Never

 

[Guynextdoor]

Do you guys really trust bababanaras? Nothing happened in 5 and 6th march.tarbella was even visible from satellites and balakot was debunked by international experts.there are no marks of any bomb.there was no hole in the building.do you really trust baba? I think there are satellite images and you can check it by yourself.there is no damage in balakot building and no damage at tarbela airport.

Shekhar Gupta from the print released audio of the preachers (Azhar;s relatives) leading prayers and referring to Balakot attack. He clearly says India violated our lands and killed our people. Plus, why did it take PA 28 days to take journos over there.

 

[rockstarIN]

Do you guys really trust bababanaras? Nothing happened on 5 and 6th march.tarbella is visible from satellites and balakot was debunked by international experts.there are no marks of any bomb.there was no hole in the building.do you really trust baba? I think there are satellite images and you can check it by yourself.there is no damage in balakot building and no damage at tarbela airport.

Come on, at least using common sense anyone can make out allowing international media after so many days - there is something to hide and clean up. A local contractor can make such structure or maintenance 10 times within that period..!

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Do you guys really trust bababanaras? Nothing happened on 5 and 6th march.tarbella is visible from satellites and balakot was debunked by international experts.there are no marks of any bomb.there was no hole in the building.do you really trust baba? I think there are satellite images and you can check it by yourself.there is no damage in balakot building and no damage at tarbela airport.

We dont mind you guys keeping quiet

Our Govt is also keeping quiet so as to
Keep Your " Gairat " intact

And you guys dont want to fight

So you are absorbing losses by keeping quiet

We wanted to inflict pain , we did it
You want to keep quiet , so you will never
Say a word

 

[Shaktimaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1143087967226851328

Pakistanis killed their own assest... Shame

 

[_Anonymous_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1143087967226851328

Pakistanis killed their own assest... Shame

First Sami ul Haq & now MA. It's fun time to be a jihadi in Pakistan. What's more, if the PA spins it into a narrative that India undertook this assassination, JeM cadres will be itching for revenge. Another Pulwama and it's deja vu all over again. If they keep quiet, JeM cadres will suspect the ISI - PA duo and join hands with the TTP in unleashing hell within Pakistan. All in all, it's a very good time to be a Pakistani. As a saying ( it's actually a curse couched in subtle sophisticated language.one has to mention this else the Pakistanis here will take it as a compliment.) in iron brother's tongue goes - may you live in interesting times. @zarvan ; @safriz ; @Arsalan123

 

[HariPrasad]

Shekhar Gupta from the print released audio of the preachers (Azhar;s relatives) leading prayers and referring to Balakot attack. He clearly says India violated our lands and killed our people. Plus, why did it take PA 28 days to take journos over there.

Even after 28 days, they were not taken to actual site. They were taken to nearby Madrasa.