India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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'We did not expect PA to announce the strike' - what do you mean Sir? And even after they announced the strike, we could not imagine that they would attack in broad daylight.
Figures are out, 36 billion PKR is how much this stand off costed in terms of military expenditure. Opportunity cost, trade loss is not included.
3600 crore PKR, 1800 crore INR or around $250 million, some other grants and funds are taken too under various names. Could easily cost over a billion USD if everything is taken into account. We could have bled them for long making them bankrupt but we want to play peace peace again.
The total allocations for the defence services will amount to Rs1.522tr next year, compared to Rs1.253tr during current year, showing an increase of about 21.5pc.
21% increase in defence budget and these frauds fooled Pakistani public by claiming that there is zero increase in defence budget this year.
Defence services secured biggest supplementary grant - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (today)
Defence budget to remain unchanged - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (2 weeks ago)
3600 crore PKR, 1800 crore INR or around $250 million, some other grants and funds are taken too under various names. Could easily cost over a billion USD if everything is taken into account. We could have bled them for long making them bankrupt but we want to play peace peace again.
The total allocations for the defence services will amount to Rs1.522tr next year, compared to Rs1.253tr during current year, showing an increase of about 21.5pc.
21% increase in defence budget and these frauds fooled Pakistani public by claiming that there is zero increase in defence budget this year.
Defence services secured biggest supplementary grant - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (today)
Defence budget to remain unchanged - Pakistan - DAWN.COM (2 weeks ago)
We had very well imagined retaliation from them and it was for this reason that we had aircraft on CAP and all radars staring deep in Pakistan. They came in broad daylight because the aim of the mission neccesitated it. Their aim was to strike Brigade HQ and weapons dump and cause max casualties. These places have least manpower at night and morning 10am was the right time as max number of personal would have been present in these places.
We had picked up the strike package the moment they got airborne. We FAILED to accurately analyse their intentions and mission. That is where we went wrong. If someone had concluded that it was a proper strike, we would have immidiately launched 10-15 more fighters. The fact that they ran away to north shows that they also feared being trapped and their retreat covered. In Punjab, we have more fighters than the entire PAF inventory of fighters.
You had said that an F-16 went down, for which there is no conclusive proof. The official narrative from Pakistan is of no F-16 loss.
Problem is they are sure that su-30 went down but no f-16.i asked them what is more important? Radar data or statement? They gave me negative rating on that comment.i hope we will find out the real story.anything is possible.In PDF,Oscer dude mentioned that no f16 was shot down but may be a mirage iii,as it was questioned by The Deterrent..In early days post balakote...So clearly assumed that paf lost an aircraft that day{pakistani opinion},but We know it was an F16,your pride
Sir, they say that our Balakot strikes failed and our aircraft were chased away from Pak airspace, so they also used their aircraft to show similar capability. In my mind the question is, why have such a large formation if their goal was only to show intent? Why the need to target our aircraft when they chose(?) to not do so the previous night? Something is not adding up in their version.
They must have planned so well to strike a tree near our brigade HQ, since they claim that we have only felled a few trees
.Each country has a chosen narrative, only the guys up know the truth. Rest is the version we wish to be true.
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@vstol Jockey had replied to one of my posts saying that we were not in a position for an air-battle because of our R-77s - hence the rumours of the threat of missile strikes. Possibly a serious escalation of the situation was also undesirable
Pakistan is a tough opponent mainly because they are deluded fools who never accept defeat..
Now look at the latest news about IN on an extensive search for PNS Saad.. India finally tracked it down after 21 days.. Indian Navy had confined the PN to the Makran coast ( Official statement of IN virtually signifying a blockade..). The chumps could not send a single ship to their Iron brother China naval review for the chicoms 70th anniversary.. Indian Navy never boasted about this... But just read pakistani newspapers about the PNS Saad incident, and they making a virtue of it... Hell, even if in a future limited war, an Indian IBG ingresses 5km into pakistani Punjab, and captures a 100 sq. Km... The Pakistanis would still say that they stopped the Indian war machine just 5 Kms into pakistan and celebrate Pakistan Defence day II..
Now look at the latest news about IN on an extensive search for PNS Saad.. India finally tracked it down after 21 days.. Indian Navy had confined the PN to the Makran coast ( Official statement of IN virtually signifying a blockade..). The chumps could not send a single ship to their Iron brother China naval review for the chicoms 70th anniversary.. Indian Navy never boasted about this... But just read pakistani newspapers about the PNS Saad incident, and they making a virtue of it... Hell, even if in a future limited war, an Indian IBG ingresses 5km into pakistani Punjab, and captures a 100 sq. Km... The Pakistanis would still say that they stopped the Indian war machine just 5 Kms into pakistan and celebrate Pakistan Defence day II..
We were not in position as our SU-30MKI were at lower levels. The R-77 envelope has been posted here manytimes. You can see that it has poor range while engaging targets flying above it. PAF chose its time and place. In any future battle, we too will chose our time and place. After 27th a serious escalation was a nearly done thing. But returning WC Abhi cooled things a bit.
Pulwama happened on 14th, IN had localised this sub before balakot and by 4-5th Mar we were in a position to sink it. The 5-6th March strikes happened after that as we were now fully sure of taking out complete Pakistan in case of serious escalation. Pakistan backed off. We tried many more acts to force them into retaliation but they just kept quiet. Athmuqam was where we took out two APCs killing a Brigadier and two cols of PA. Than we took out three of their MBTs opposite Jammu. We took out their ammo dump opposite Akhnoor and then Tarbela. And they kept quiet.
IAF to change missile-firing procedure to ensure video feed in Balakot-like operations
You still think sir that a special penetrator bomb was needed to penetrate a tin roof and a concrete roof?
No concrete roof can stop 1200kg bomb from that height, this story of using Spice 2000 seems to have been created to avoid embarrassment when third party pictures are released and no damage was seen.
Sir this is what you said in post #8969 - 'But the intruding F-16s were at a level lower than even MKIs. And MKIs could not even get a shot at them.' So i infer that the R-77s are bad compared to the C5s.
I suggest that instead of asking me this question, you please read up a bit about time delay, penetrater and impact fuses. That will ensure that you need not ask these questions.
They intruded when MKIs were evading the incomi ng C5s
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