India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Arsalan123 said:
Great achievement.smoke more before each mission and miss more targets.
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Oh yea, even not a single person outside Pak Military saw the bombing site. foreign jernos where shown nearby madarssa after 43 days..lol.

We are happy to miss more the way we 'missed' Balakot.
 
halabol said:
Are you sure there is no evidence?, at the best you can claim no evidence presented till now.
even i know no amount of evidence can satisfy you.
even if IAF has release any video you can always claims it fake or some other excuse.
Have you asked the question to yourself, why need more than one month to allow to visit that place if nothing happened?
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Anyone can come here and see the stuff.i think you can't remind people if they want to be here or not.when you show no proof,people consider you liar.international experts doesn't represent pakistan.only wise can understand my point.enjoy the thread.
 
rockstarIN said:
Impact holes will appear after few years the way 453 martyrs of 1999 kargil war appeared in 2010 quietly.

Trust me, you may give Nishan e haider to Haider Shabaz Ali after few years.
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Gd bakshi described it like wo hum PE tabar Tor hamle kar the the aur hamare jawan Shaheed horhe the.why your army called iaf during kargil ? I rest my case here.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Gd bakshi described it like wo hum PE tabar Tor hamle kar the the aur hamare jawan Shaheed horhe the.why your army called iaf during kargil ? I rest my case here.
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Funny indeed..you can get those souls' details from the web site. Please check it.

Ever heard Mushy's phone call to musharaf ..saying 4k dead..!
 
Arsalan123 said:
All bombs were dropped without impact on building.where are the impact holes?
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They were pentrator warheads. It was later confirmed that only 64 KGs were used instead of a possible 1000 KGs since the shockwaves released by this bomb within the building was considered sufficient to eliminate all soft skinned targets. This is why you don't see external structural damage. They entered the building and detonated inside.
 
The Deterrent said:
I agree, the Phalcon is a very capable system. Other than that you are entitled to your opinion.
A slight correction though, the drop tank does not belong to the F-16. Kindly go through this analysis of the debris:
IN DEPTH: Indian Plane Shot Down Over Pakistan in February - Medium


Sir, I would encourage you to point out the inaccuracies in my narrative. You have absolutely no obligation to take me seriously, so please feel free to disagree.


Sir, I only mentioned 2x H-4s and 4x Mk-83 REKs launched by PAF, i.e. 6x SOWs in total.
Again, I clearly described that PAF has only circumstantial evidence of the unconfirmed kill.
Honestly, the reporters thing is the weakest argument for Indians trying to prove that Balakot strikes hit something. Satellite imagery is the best source of open source BDA, followed by social media...given that the journalism from the target area is heavily censored.

Please don't drown, this forum needs you.


Sir, all main operational bases have stocks of aerial munitions, including AAMs and PGMs.


Sir, its only because Sameer Joshi's analysis is being spread around as if it is the official version from IAF. As per official statements, IAF merely states that "we hit what we intended to, and got the effect that we needed", or "the proof of Balakot strikes is blowing in the wind". I'm not sure what to make of these statements. If you're aware of any other official IAF statements claiming use of penetration munitions etc, I'd be glad to know.

Regarding H-4s (aka Denel Raptor-II, official range 120km), the SFM (solid-fuel motor aka booster) assemblies of 2x H-4s were found in Pakistani villages of Pind Aziz (27km from LoC, 38km from Naushera, 60km from Rajouri) and Machia (17km from LoC, 32km from Narian, 54km from Rajouri). Typically the boosters are jettisoned when the SOW has attained the required altitude and speed to begin the glide. Adding the distance flown in boost-phase (unknown), we can fairly conclude that the 2x H-4s were launched from deep within Pakistani airspace. Therefore I don't believe that any of those H-4s were 'dropped in haste'.


That is a fair argument.


Interesting observations.


Will I be correct to assume that you'd rather stick to the official statements, than speculation by an ex-IAF pilot claiming to have been told all this by IAF sources?


Sir, if I recall correctly, IAF never official claimed that they used "penetrators". Please feel free to correct me.
Regarding SPICE-2000's compatibility, it is compatible with commonly used 2000lbs general-purpose bombs. Unless of course IAF does not have 2000lbs general-purpose bombs, in which case, I rest my case.


I'm failing to understand how. Could you elaborate?
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Vishnu Som has clearly reported that the IAF has claimed penetraors with 60+ KG explosives. We have operated 20+ remote sensing satellitles .
1) Surely identifying what the exact GPS location of the target is not a problem with us who have used extensive sattelite imaging for all kinds of purposes including military
2) The glide path and the detonation must terminate on those GPS locations and not beyond
3) Surely this isn't the first time we have used Spice 2000. We have praticed live bombing runs using these jets multiple times before.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Gd bakshi described it like wo hum PE tabar Tor hamle kar the the aur hamare jawan Shaheed horhe the.why your army called iaf during kargil ? I rest my case here.
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Why Nawaz Sharif ran to Washington?why didnt he allow Mushy to land?have u head interview of ex ISI director Shaukat Aziz , he talked about Kargil disaster , well there are YouTube videos of Indian army burrying Pak NLI soldiers and also returning bodies and also PoWs(crying about officers abandoning them and the post hahaha) , should i show?
Remember we werent allowed to cross LoC
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Anyone can come here and see the stuff.i think you can't remind people if they want to be here or not.when you show no proof,people consider you liar.international experts doesn't represent pakistan.only wise can understand my point.enjoy the thread.
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Part of IAF claim already had been confirm by DGISPR, they claim that they bomb Balakot and they hit target.
IAF didn't claim anything which they later denied.
like you your DGISPR. we didn't use F-16 later its doesn't matter what we use.
we have 3 pilots than 2 pilots and then we recounted same pilot lol.
IAF has statement is very simple, we cross the border and we hit the target.
they went for attach not to make film, rest who trust what its their choice.
 
You cannot discuss Mil tech here with absolute surety. Most of the parameters and fail safe mechanisms are not in public domain.

@Arsalan123
The other day you were claiming to guide PL15 with AWACS. Can you give range of PL15 or AMRAAMS data link?

Will a missile have more data link range than Radar sweep of fighter and missile range itself? How can you guide 100Km AMRAAM from AWACS 200 Km away? I am yet to find any single doc regarding figures.


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Few things, Please keep chit chat and off-topic discussions out of this thread. If you find anyone going off topic or trolling use the 'Report' feature.
Also, remember this is an English forum. If you are using other languages do give the translation.

Moved the ongoing discussion on baba here -> Deciphering Babaji

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Guynextdoor said:
They were pentrator warheads. It was later confirmed that only 64 KGs were used instead of a possible 1000 KGs since the shockwaves released by this bomb within the building was considered sufficient to eliminate all soft skinned targets. This is why you don't see external structural damage. They entered the building and detonated inside.
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Don't bother explaining...for the average baki troll, a big blast is proof...bum fate ya na fate, building girni chahiye!! 😂
 
halabol said:
Are you sure there is no evidence?, at the best you can claim no evidence presented till now.
even i know no amount of evidence can satisfy you.
even if IAF has release any video you can always claims it fake or some other excuse.
Have you asked the question to yourself, why need more than one month to allow to visit that place if nothing happened?
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Pakistans has the previllege of denying anything. once I was discussing the Kargil War on Pakistan Defence Forum. I quoted Nawaz Sharif statement that 4000 Pakistani soldiers were killed. Immediately Jhihadi gang poped up and started saying that Nawaz was Gaddar. He didn't kno anything, he is Indian puppet etc. Nobody can take away this privilege from Pakistani. Lying, bluffing and hyping is there national trait. They aur master of conspiracy theories. Each and every Pakistani is completing to take place of zaid Hamid.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
They were pentrator warheads. It was later confirmed that only 64 KGs were used instead of a possible 1000 KGs since the shockwaves released by this bomb within the building was considered sufficient to eliminate all soft skinned targets. This is why you don't see external structural damage. They entered the building and detonated inside.
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I have never heard this type of attack before.building should collapse.
 
Cole_phelps said:
You cannot discuss Mil tech here with absolute surety. Most of the parameters and fail safe mechanisms are not in public domain.

@Arsalan123
The other day you were claiming to guide PL15 with AWACS. Can you give range of PL15 or AMRAAMS data link?

Will a missile have more data link range than Radar sweep of fighter and missile range itself? How can you guide 100Km AMRAAM from AWACS 200 Km away? I am yet to find any single doc regarding figures.


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Ask @randomradio he is more qualified to answer on this topic.
 
Arsalan123 said:
I have never heard this type of attack before.building should collapse.
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There are enough of videos available of this weapon damage. In all cases the building wwas not destroyed. Long back I had posted here that the aim was to kill maximum guys and thereafter flatten the building with crytal Maze. But crytal maze could not be fired and that gave Pakistan the chance to peddle BS.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
I have never heard this type of attack before.building should collapse.
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Either you are ignorant or are trying to be one or stuck in 1971 era weapons. See demo of spice2000. Now tell did the structure collapsed? But what was stored below it was destroyed. And remember human body is very inflammable.😉😉
 
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