India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Deathstar]

Don't show me gifts.i will say more here if you keep repeating kargil.

What that you won Kargil war? So do u control Kargil?Mushy aimed to exchange Kargil for Siachen(another humiliation) lol still we control both , even your ex ISI chief admits Kargil fiasco(YT video available) , it was an international embarassment for u , anyways this isnt Kargil thread but don't peddle lies

 

[Guynextdoor]

I have never heard this type of attack before.building should collapse.

The penetrator warhead is a specialized warhead which has a needle like structure to puncture the roof of a building. When hitting the roof at several hundreds of kilometers per hour speed, it is usually enough to bore a hole into even a hrdened structure and ingress inside. It usually manages to bore into a couple of floors from the top. Once inside the buiding the bomb goes off killing everythng within a few hundred meters. The extrenal structure need not collapse. Usually everything inside is fried and the windows shatter due to the pressure wave blasting outwards from the inside.

1) RAW's NTRO (National Technical Research Organization) had deployed electronic equipment in the area in the days leading up to the blast. They estimated about 200 active phones inside the campus when the attack happened. They had recommended a specific time- several days before a bacth 'graduated' and a time at night when all of them were expected to be asleep when the bomb hit. Post attach the signals of most of those mobile devices 'vanished'

2) They'd been tracking this facility for over a decade. They even had copies of the files the local police and intelligence of the area maintained on the people inside. Including names of 'teachers', their specialities, background and so on.

3) RAW speculates that the areas ISI shows as places where Indian bombs hit are actually the places where 'students' were taught how to make and test IEDs. The 'explosions' were actually remains of previous tests conduted by instructors.

 

[randomradio]

I don't understand your comment. Some F-16s were at a lower level than MKIs, so the R-77s will be assisted by gravity. Anyway, @vstol Jockey has given an explanation.

The MKIs wouldn't have spotted those F-16s due to the mountains.

 

[randomradio]

Will I be correct to assume that you'd rather stick to the official statements, than speculation by an ex-IAF pilot claiming to have been told all this by IAF sources?

The only reason I'm going by IAF's official view is because both IAF Chief and Vice Chief came out with pulic announcements of the same.

As for ex-IAF pilot et al, @Falcon has already dismissed Joshi on this very thread. As far as what Falcon has pointed out, a lot of stuff in the media has been the imagination of a few people, as we recently found out from the IAF Chief that no F-16s crossed the LoC.

The problem we civvies are facing is the lack of accurate information in open source, so people have started clutching on to any source of information and calling it official, which @panzerdad has pointed out in this thread as well.

I have repeated many times on this forum (and the Pak forum) that the only official news is from the mouths of the officals themselves. Both IAF Chief and Vice Chief have publicly said some things and that's the only official stand we have to date, everything else is in the realms of speculations and "analysis". And we are yet to hear anything from PAF officials of equivalent ranks.

There is a significant mismatch between what actually happened and what's being peddled in the media. Personally, I'm willing to wait even 10 or 20 years to know actual facts. That's why I've stopped giving much importance to the media and such regarding this subject.

Sir, if I recall correctly, IAF never official claimed that they used "penetrators". Please feel free to correct me.

Officially, no. But that's the only variant of the Spice we have.

Regarding SPICE-2000's compatibility, it is compatible with commonly used 2000lbs general-purpose bombs. Unless of course IAF does not have 2000lbs general-purpose bombs, in which case, I rest my case.

Due to the high cost of the kit, it appears we are making the investment for imported general purpose bombs with Spice only now, the type of bomb is again a speculation, considering DRDO is yet to finish development of equivalent bombs. For high end missions, the IAF had already bought Spice, whereas for general purpose needs we were supposed to use DRDO's products, like the Garuthmaa glide bomb (1000Kg, 100Km) and SAAW (120Kg, 100Km) which are cheap because they only have INS/GPS rather than a terminal seeker.

I'm failing to understand how. Could you elaborate?

Figment of imagination that the IAF missed. And as already pointed out, the Spice we used do not make that kind of crater.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

There is a significant mismatch between what actually happened and what's being peddled in the media. Personally, I'm willing to wait even 10 or 20 years to know actual facts. That's why I've stopped giving much importance to the media and such regarding this subject.

True, Indian coast guard should stop giving selected journalists in camera briefings, ex coast guard Joshis are confusing public and framing innocent IAF.

 

[Golden_Rule]

I have never heard this type of attack before.building should collapse.

We will take this advice for the next event. Will tag you then.

 

[Arsalan123]

We will take this advice for the next event. Will tag you then.

Hahaha.

 

[Fafnir]

I have never heard this type of attack before.

I have. Small munitions like the American Small Diameter Bomb don't always level structures, but they do cause significant internal damage.

The Americans have also been dropping non-explosive bombs in Syria and dropped bombs made of concrete (inert training munitions) over Libya.

Another type in development/service are carbon fiber cased bombs like the Blue-129/b. The casing on the these bombs don't fragment or produce large amounts of shrapnel, focusing all their destructive power in their shockwave. It's damaging, enough to collapse walls, and certain kill humans, but they are considered safer to use in built up areas since they don't produce fragments that can travel for hundreds of meters.

Another munition that causes less damage to structures is the opposite of the BLU-129/b. The cast ductile iron munitions of the USAF (actually modified warhead rather then bomb casing) is designed to produce massive amounts of fragments, more then traditional bomb casings and explosions, for use against soft-skinned targets like enemy personnel or light-armored vehicles. They produce large amounts of fragmentation, but not a large shockwave. They considered a form of cluster munition that use a small charge to expel their sub-munition, in this case iron fragments, rather then do damage through explosive force or with explosive sub-munitions like a traditional cluster bomb.

These are just a few examples of munitions that could easily leave a building standing but still do damage to its internal structure or occupants after the bomb penetrates the building.

 

[The Deterrent]

You sure about that? And while you are at it, maybe we did even more elementary mistake and bombed the wrong country.

Vishnu Som has clearly reported that the IAF has claimed penetraors with 60+ KG explosives. We have operated 20+ remote sensing satellitles .
1) Surely identifying what the exact GPS location of the target is not a problem with us who have used extensive sattelite imaging for all kinds of purposes including military
2) The glide path and the detonation must terminate on those GPS locations and not beyond
3) Surely this isn't the first time we have used Spice 2000. We have praticed live bombing runs using these jets multiple times before.

Sirs, as I said its a theory, that is offering the simplest explanation for the miss. Kindly go through the following analysis, I'm quoting the relevant information:
India’s strike on Balakot: a very precise miss? | The Strategist

There are two striking aspects to the images. The first is that all three weapons missed by similar (but not identical) distances, and certainly by much more than the 3 metre ‘circular error probable’ attributed to the SPICE 2000. The second is that all three weapons missed in virtually the same direction. These two factors suggest that the misses were caused by a systematic targeting error.

It is important to note two characteristics of GPS-guided weapons. The first is that GPS coordinates have three dimensions: elevation, latitude and longitude—something we tend to overlook in everyday life when we navigate using a mobile phone’s GPS function. Second, a glide weapon like the SPICE 2000 doesn’t fall vertically to its target; it follows an inclined trajectory. Therefore, an incorrect vertical coordinate will result in the weapon missing as surely as an error in latitude or longitude.

Such errors can occur for various reasons, including by neglecting to convert coordinates from one coordinate system, or datum, to another (a datum shift). One potential candidate in this case is the difference between GPS ellipsoidal height and orthometric height based on mean sea level (see here for an explanation). In northeastern Pakistan, the difference is around 33 metres, although in many areas the difference is not precisely mapped so it may be larger or smaller at a point such as Balakot.

One explanation for the miss is that the SPICE 2000 bombs were incorrectly programmed to fly precisely into GPS points that were, say, 33 metres above their intended targets (the buildings on top of the ridge line). They performed as programmed and then continued on their trajectories until they struck the valley beneath.

The image below correlates the identified impact sites, the buildings that were the likely targets and a discrepancy between ellipsoidal and orthometric height which we have assumed to equate to 33 metres above the target buildings. Presented in 3D, this correlation results in consistent, parallel trajectories indicating a consistent targeting error. The differences in the impact distances from the intended targets are accounted for by the steep terrain and the differences in elevation between the impact sites. While this diagram does not necessarily represent the actual trajectories of the missiles, it does suggest a systematic targeting error caused by the use of different vertical datums.

Satellite imagery © 2019 DigitalGlobe, a Maxar Technologies company—provided by European Space Imaging.

Either you are ignorant or are trying to be one or stuck in 1971 era weapons. See demo of spice2000. Now tell did the structure collapsed? But what was stored below it was destroyed. And remember human body is very inflammable.

Sir, this video shows a 250lbs (110kg) GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb-I (penetration version), not a 2000lbs (1000kg) munition fitted with SPICE-2000 SOW kit. This particular version of the SDB-I comes with only 36lbs (16kg) of AFX-757 enhanced blast insensitive explosive. For comparison of destruction scales, note that:

• a 2000lbs general-purpose bomb like Mk-84 has 429kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs "bunker-buster" bomb like BLU-109 has 240kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs alleged "penetrator" in service with the IAF has 70-80kg of explosives (as claimed by Sameer Joshi)
• a 250lbs GBU-39/B SDB-I has 16kg of explosives

Kindly try to picture only the shockwave generated by 3x80kg = 240kg of explosives going off in the eastern quadrant of a 20x20m civilian non-hardened structure, as compared to the shockwave generated by the 16kg of explosives in the SDB video you shared. If I'm not wrong, that is 5x greater than that of a single "penetrator" and 15x greater than that of 3x "penetrators" used, as alleged by Sameer Joshi.

The penetrator warhead is a specialized warhead which has a needle like structure to puncture the roof of a building. When hitting the roof at several hundreds of kilometers per hour speed, it is usually enough to bore a hole into even a hrdened structure and ingress inside. It usually manages to bore into a couple of floors from the top. Once inside the buiding the bomb goes off killing everythng within a few hundred meters. The extrenal structure need not collapse. Usually everything inside is fried and the windows shatter due to the pressure wave blasting outwards from the inside.

Sir, I assure you, a shockwave that can kill humans within a few hundred meters has enough overpressure to collapse the walls within 6 meters of the impact point (distance of the 'holes' from the boundary of the 'hostel').

1) RAW's NTRO (National Technical Research Organization) had deployed electronic equipment in the area in the days leading up to the blast. They estimated about 200 active phones inside the campus when the attack happened. They had recommended a specific time- several days before a bacth 'graduated' and a time at night when all of them were expected to be asleep when the bomb hit. Post attach the signals of most of those mobile devices 'vanished'

This is a pretty interesting method of bomb damage assessment. I find it particularly interesting that a shockwave can have enough overpressure to disable most phones, but doesn't manages to damage the structure AT ALL.

3) RAW speculates that the areas ISI shows as places where Indian bombs hit are actually the places where 'students' were taught how to make and test IEDs. The 'explosions' were actually remains of previous tests conduted by instructors.

Sir, infrared satellite imagery indicates three circular areas, each roughly 30 metres in diameter, in which vegetation disappeared in the two days either side of the strike and which are consistent with explosive impact sites. The craters appeared on the night IAF struck Balakot. Kindly see the following GIF, and the corresponding analysis:

Were India’s airstrikes in Pakistan a strategy for public approval? | The Strategist

Perhaps 'students' were trained how to fake airstrikes in real-time.

The only reason I'm going by IAF's official view is because both IAF Chief and Vice Chief came out with pulic announcements of the same.

As for ex-IAF pilot et al, @Falcon has already dismissed Joshi on this very thread. As far as what Falcon has pointed out, a lot of stuff in the media has been the imagination of a few people, as we recently found out from the IAF Chief that no F-16s crossed the LoC.

The problem we civvies are facing is the lack of accurate information in open source, so people have started clutching on to any source of information and calling it official, which @panzerdad has pointed out in this thread as well.

I have repeated many times on this forum (and the Pak forum) that the only official news is from the mouths of the officals themselves. Both IAF Chief and Vice Chief have publicly said some things and that's the only official stand we have to date, everything else is in the realms of speculations and "analysis". And we are yet to hear anything from PAF officials of equivalent ranks.

There is a significant mismatch between what actually happened and what's being peddled in the media. Personally, I'm willing to wait even 10 or 20 years to know actual facts. That's why I've stopped giving much importance to the media and such regarding this subject.

Glad to know your point of view. There is nothing wrong with sticking to official claims.

Officially, no. But that's the only variant of the Spice we have.

Sir, could I get any official information for the basis of this claim that IAF recieved only the penetrator variant of SPICE?

Figment of imagination that the IAF missed. And as already pointed out, the Spice we used do not make that kind of crater.

Sir it appears that the figment of imagination has been reported by multiple thrid-party analysts, belonging to PlanetLabs, Reuters, ASPI, DFRLabs and ESI. Shouldn't the GoI take any action against these entities for spreading misinformation against India?

I don't want to post it here but please forgive my trolling.

Mods please move but only after we laugh a little.

Presenting PAF plane that shot down Su 30Mki, Raptor of Asia.......(drumbeats)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1143440525178986496

Sir, I'm afraid that you are undermining Pakistan's recently introduced next-generation EMALS (Emergency Manually Assisted Lugging System).

 

[randomradio]

Sir, could I get any official information for the basis of this claim that IAF recieved only the penetrator variant of SPICE?

There is none officially, only from sources. AFAIK, all we have done is bought 100 Spice kits to date. So it's quite unlikely we are using the kits on general purpose bombs.

Each costs as much as $400,000-$500,000, so you can expect it to be used against high value targets only, and on land those are mostly HQs. Otoh, a JDAM-ER costs less than 10% of the Spice.

And we only bought a handful of Popeyes as well.

Sir it appears that the figment of imagination has been reported by multiple thrid-party analysts, belonging to PlanetLabs, Reuters, ASPI, DFRLabs and ESI. Shouldn't the GoI take any action against these entities for spreading misinformation against India?

Why is there a need to take action on opinions?

Btw, Spice comes in at an angle of 80 deg. It's unlikely to have the flight path as mentioned by all these "analysts".

 

[lcafanboy]

Sirs, as I said its a theory, that is offering the simplest explanation for the miss. Kindly go through the following analysis, I'm quoting the relevant information:
India’s strike on Balakot: a very precise miss? | The Strategist




Sir, this video shows a 250lbs (110kg) GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb-I (penetration version), not a 2000lbs (1000kg) munition fitted with SPICE-2000 SOW kit. This particular version of the SDB-I comes with only 36lbs (16kg) of AFX-757 enhanced blast insensitive explosive. For comparison of destruction scales, note that:

• a 2000lbs general-purpose bomb like Mk-84 has 429kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs "bunker-buster" bomb like BLU-109 has 240kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs alleged "penetrator" in service with the IAF has 70-80kg of explosives (as claimed by Sameer Joshi)
• a 250lbs GBU-39/B SDB-I has 16kg of explosives

Kindly try to picture only the shockwave generated by 3x80kg = 240kg of explosives going off in the eastern quadrant of a 20x20m civilian non-hardened structure, as compared to the shockwave generated by the 16kg of explosives in the SDB video you shared. If I'm not wrong, that is 5x greater than that of a single "penetrator" and 15x greater than that of 3x "penetrators" used, as alleged by Sameer Joshi.


Sir, I assure you, a shockwave that can kill humans within a few hundred meters has enough overpressure to collapse the walls within 6 meters of the impact point (distance of the 'holes' from the boundary of the 'hostel').


This is a pretty interesting method of bomb damage assessment. I find it particularly interesting that a shockwave can have enough overpressure to disable most phones, but doesn't manages to damage the structure AT ALL.


Sir, infrared satellite imagery indicates three circular areas, each roughly 30 metres in diameter, in which vegetation disappeared in the two days either side of the strike and which are consistent with explosive impact sites. The craters appeared on the night IAF struck Balakot. Kindly see the following GIF, and the corresponding analysis:

Were India’s airstrikes in Pakistan a strategy for public approval? | The Strategist

Perhaps 'students' were trained how to fake airstrikes in real-time.


Glad to know your point of view. There is nothing wrong with sticking to official claims.


Sir, could I get any official information for the basis of this claim that IAF recieved only the penetrator variant of SPICE?


Sir it appears that the figment of imagination has been reported by multiple thrid-party analysts, belonging to PlanetLabs, Reuters, ASPI, DFRLabs and ESI. Shouldn't the GoI take any action against these entities for spreading misinformation against India?


Sir, I'm afraid that you are undermining Pakistan's recently introduced next-generation EMALS (Emergency Manually Assisted Lugging System).

You know what is the best part of Doval Modi government new strategy is?
Pakistani Denials.
Why? We keep hitting Pakistan like stray dog and you people don't even squeal so no country in the world cares and we freely hit you at our choice..
Keep denying and gag families who have lost their sons working for rougue army which doesn't even acknowledge their shahadat that's best for us. Keep counting body bags...

 

[Guynextdoor]

You know what is the best part of Doval Modi government new strategy is?
Pakistani Denials.
Why? We keep hitting Pakistan like stray dog and you people don't even squeal so no country in the world cares and we freely hit you at our choice..
Keep denying and gag families who have lost their sons working for rougue army which doesn't even acknowledge their shahadat that's best for us. Keep counting body bags...

Yeah I know the 'simplest' explanation of the miss very well. What he fails to explain is that when bombs are dropped they are supposed to 'detonate' on the GPS location identified. They don't keep flying on and have terminal detonation at some other place. Even if elevation data had been entered wrong (BS since we have worked with satellite locaitons for decades), the bombs would have terminated at whatever elevation they found themselves in at that location. Example.

a) You feed in coordinates x, y . Instead of reaching x. y at 10 feet the bombs reach x, y at 15 feet. It will still detonate at 15 feet- it will not continue gliding to 200 meters away and terminate over there. This is a failsafe.

2) The shockwave kill shows the extreme skill of our military planners. If you don't have those skill sets that is generally your weakness.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Yeah I know the 'simplest' explanation of the miss very well. What he fails to explain is that when bombs are dropped they are supposed to 'detonate' on the GPS location identified. They don't keep flying on and have terminal detonation at some other place. Even if elevation data had been entered wrong (BS since we have worked with satellite locaitons for decades), the bombs would have terminated at whatever elevation they found themselves in at that location. Example.

a) You feed in coordinates x, y . Instead of reaching x. y at 10 feet the bombs reach x, y at 15 feet. It will still detonate at 15 feet- it will not continue gliding to 200 meters away and terminate over there. This is a failsafe.

2) The shockwave kill shows the extreme skill of our military planners. If you don't have those skill sets that is generally your weakness.

You're not getting what he's trying to convey. For the past 2 months or more, ever since he debuted here, he's been elaborating on the ISPR line of argument - that the IAF & consequently the GoI never wanted any collateral damage but merely wanted to send a message across to Pakistan. What he's hinting at when he says that the wrong co ordinates were fed was they weren't done unintentionally but intentionally.

 

[Guynextdoor]

You're not getting what he's trying to convey. For the past 2 months or more, ever since he debuted here, he's been elaborating on the ISPR line of argument - that the IAF & consequently the GoI never wanted any collateral damage but merely wanted to send a message across to Pakistan. What he's hinting at when he says that the wrong co ordinates were fed was they weren't done unintentionally but intentionally.

yes. But he is not claiming deliberate miss even if he means it.

I would not have had an issue with that (deliberate miss) under several circumstances. It is not unthinkable. When Pak attacked India, we did not say that the bombs missed their target- we said that the bombs were deliberately dropped with slight deviation and fuses were deliberately removd. The issue with your narrative @arsalan is that India has taken a hard stand that it is not symbolic...we have no issue declaring it symbolic too. We have backed it with very specific data- how RAW estimated the dead, also that SAR data from a friendly country has confirmed our claims.

 

[Golden_Rule]

Including names of 'teachers', their specialties, background and so on

I love this part ...

 

[Guynextdoor]

Sirs, as I said its a theory, that is offering the simplest explanation for the miss. Kindly go through the following analysis, I'm quoting the relevant information:
India’s strike on Balakot: a very precise miss? | The Strategist




Sir, this video shows a 250lbs (110kg) GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb-I (penetration version), not a 2000lbs (1000kg) munition fitted with SPICE-2000 SOW kit. This particular version of the SDB-I comes with only 36lbs (16kg) of AFX-757 enhanced blast insensitive explosive. For comparison of destruction scales, note that:

• a 2000lbs general-purpose bomb like Mk-84 has 429kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs "bunker-buster" bomb like BLU-109 has 240kg of explosives
• a 2000lbs alleged "penetrator" in service with the IAF has 70-80kg of explosives (as claimed by Sameer Joshi)
• a 250lbs GBU-39/B SDB-I has 16kg of explosives

Kindly try to picture only the shockwave generated by 3x80kg = 240kg of explosives going off in the eastern quadrant of a 20x20m civilian non-hardened structure, as compared to the shockwave generated by the 16kg of explosives in the SDB video you shared. If I'm not wrong, that is 5x greater than that of a single "penetrator" and 15x greater than that of 3x "penetrators" used, as alleged by Sameer Joshi.


Sir, I assure you, a shockwave that can kill humans within a few hundred meters has enough overpressure to collapse the walls within 6 meters of the impact point (distance of the 'holes' from the boundary of the 'hostel').


This is a pretty interesting method of bomb damage assessment. I find it particularly interesting that a shockwave can have enough overpressure to disable most phones, but doesn't manages to damage the structure AT ALL.


Sir, infrared satellite imagery indicates three circular areas, each roughly 30 metres in diameter, in which vegetation disappeared in the two days either side of the strike and which are consistent with explosive impact sites. The craters appeared on the night IAF struck Balakot. Kindly see the following GIF, and the corresponding analysis:

Were India’s airstrikes in Pakistan a strategy for public approval? | The Strategist

Perhaps 'students' were trained how to fake airstrikes in real-time.


Glad to know your point of view. There is nothing wrong with sticking to official claims.


Sir, could I get any official information for the basis of this claim that IAF recieved only the penetrator variant of SPICE?


Sir it appears that the figment of imagination has been reported by multiple thrid-party analysts, belonging to PlanetLabs, Reuters, ASPI, DFRLabs and ESI. Shouldn't the GoI take any action against these entities for spreading misinformation against India?


Sir, I'm afraid that you are undermining Pakistan's recently introduced next-generation EMALS (Emergency Manually Assisted Lugging System).

ISRO launched said planetlabs sats so we know what their capabilities are. The analysis of this damage needed a SAR capability not some MP camera.

 

[_Anonymous_]

yes. But he is not claiming deliberate miss even if he means it.

I would not have had an issue with that (deliberate miss) under several circumstances. It is not unthinkable. When Pak attacked India, we did not say that the bombs missed their target- we said that the bombs were deliberately dropped with slight deviation and fuses were deliberately removd. The issue with your narrative @arsalan is that India has taken a hard stand that it is not symbolic...we have no issue declaring it symbolic too. We have backed it with very specific data- how RAW estimated the dead, also that SAR data from a friendly country has confirmed our claims.

He's claiming a deliberate miss. Please go thru his posts again. Moreover, I believe you're responding to The Deterrent.

The ISPR narrative is as follows -

- 26th Feb .Balakote. IAF fires into the trees and kills a crow & destroys a few trees. The Deterrent claims IAF deliberately fed in co ordinates into the guidance system of the SoW, so as to be a shot over the bow.

27th Feb. LoC. PAF deliberately drops SoW into the compounds of our Brigade IA HQ without fuses, to send a message. In the dogfight which followed they shot 1 MKI & 1 MiG 21 & took 1 PoW. Initially the report by Gafool was 2-3 Indian pilots taken PoW. Here, The Deterrent concedes PAF may have lost a Mirage - III or a F-16, but mostly a Mirage. The rest of the narrative is similar to ISPR.

Check with him.

 

[Deathstar]

He's claiming a deliberate miss. Please go thru his posts again. Moreover, I believe you're responding to The Deterrent.

The ISPR narrative is as follows -

- 26th Feb .Balakote. IAF fires into the trees and kills a crow & destroys a few trees. The Deterrent claims IAF deliberately fed in co ordinates into the guidance system of the SoW, so as to be a shot over the bow.

27th Feb. LoC. PAF deliberately drops SoW into the compounds of our Brigade IA HQ without fuses, to send a message. In the dogfight which followed they shot 1 MKI & 1 MiG 21 & took 1 PoW. Initially the report by Gafool was 2-3 Indian pilots taken PoW. Here, The Deterrent concedes PAF may have lost a Mirage - III or a F-16, but mostly a Mirage. The rest of the narrative is similar to ISPR.

Check with him.

But why would India deliberately miss hitting Terrorist installations? We could have believed if we would have intentionally missed Pak army installations to send a message and not terrorist , no reason to spare terror installations at all , these are anyways canon fodder for them

 

[_Anonymous_]

But why would India deliberately miss hitting Terrorist installations? We could have believed if we would have intentionally missed Pak army installations to send a message and not terrorist , no reason to spare terror installations at all , these are anyways canon fodder for them

That's not my narrative. It's a few Pakistani members here extrapolating from all those open source photographs , ISPR handouts and their "deep analysis "of the events of 26th & 27 th Feb.

 

[thinkingcap81]

But why would India deliberately miss hitting Terrorist installations? We could have believed if we would have intentionally missed Pak army installations to send a message and not terrorist , no reason to spare terror installations at all , these are anyways canon fodder for them

In any case, for the time being we cannot target Pak army HQs, positions etc. since we say that our targets are only explicit terror infrastructure.